Covid-19 Leave No Longer Available for MCPS Employees

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Anonymous wrote:So you get Covid you go to work sick?? I see resignations.
I will take off sick if I get Covid. Not putting my health or recovery at risk for work from home administrators.

No, you use your existing sick leave like has been the case for decades with every other illness

This. No more two week paid vacations for popping an asymptomatic positive test. Use sick leave like everyone else.

How much vacation time do you think teachers get?

You get 5 personal days a year.

Cue dcum parents who are furious that teachers might need to take a day off during the school year

It's 3 personal days a year. You can carry over some so that you never have more than 5, but you're only given 3.

And some schools are strict about not using them to extend a 3 day weekend (that's fun for the family wedding on a holiday weekend...) And not everyone is given their religious holidays off like Christmas and Easter are, so imagine wanting to be with family on a holiday on 3 personal days.

How much annual leave do you get?

10 month employees receive 10 sick days each academic year. However, if you belong to the Sick Bank (which most employees do), two of those days are donated back to the Sick Bank. Therefore, most employees receive eight additional sick days per academic year.

So 8 sick days, plus 3 personal days, and nothing else?

Well a week for spring break, two weeks at Christmas, two or three days at Thanksgiving, And other national holidays during the school year

Teachers aren’t paid for those breaks.

Yes they are. You get holiday leave

That's not how it works

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Anonymous wrote:So you get Covid you go to work sick?? I see resignations.
I will take off sick if I get Covid. Not putting my health or recovery at risk for work from home administrators.

No, you use your existing sick leave like has been the case for decades with every other illness

This. No more two week paid vacations for popping an asymptomatic positive test. Use sick leave like everyone else.

How much vacation time do you think teachers get?

You get 5 personal days a year.

Cue dcum parents who are furious that teachers might need to take a day off during the school year

It's 3 personal days a year. You can carry over some so that you never have more than 5, but you're only given 3.

And some schools are strict about not using them to extend a 3 day weekend (that's fun for the family wedding on a holiday weekend...) And not everyone is given their religious holidays off like Christmas and Easter are, so imagine wanting to be with family on a holiday on 3 personal days.

How much annual leave do you get?

10 month employees receive 10 sick days each academic year. However, if you belong to the Sick Bank (which most employees do), two of those days are donated back to the Sick Bank. Therefore, most employees receive eight additional sick days per academic year.

So 8 sick days, plus 3 personal days, and nothing else?

Well a week for spring break, two weeks at Christmas, two or three days at Thanksgiving, And other national holidays during the school year

Teachers aren’t paid for those breaks.

Yes they are. You get holiday leave

Some leave days get holiday pay. Most don't.

[Anonymous]

Just reading through this whole thread...some of these comments-again, no wonder teachers are leaving. It is very obvious it IS (like people have been saying all along) parents like the ones in this thread who are contributing to it. Such vile, disgusting people...all you do is whine about teachers and complain about them yet you beg for teachers to babysit your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can take sick leave, you just don’t have additional days available. Teachers will come back while still sick which could crate a problem.

I’m an ES teacher. I caught Covid towards the end of May. Symptoms started on a Friday afternoon. By Saturday night I felt much better. Honestly, I could have gone back to work on Monday and not used any leave. Of course if I feel sick I stay home.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

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+1

These whiners want to keep covid alive forever. Sorry, not playing any more.

+2 move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just reading through this whole thread...some of these comments-again, no wonder teachers are leaving. It is very obvious it IS (like people have been saying all along) parents like the ones in this thread who are contributing to it. Such vile, disgusting people...all you do is whine about teachers and complain about them yet you beg for teachers to babysit your kids.

They are the same parents who would send their kids to school sick and not think twice.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

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Anonymous wrote:So you get Covid you go to work sick?? I see resignations.
I will take off sick if I get Covid. Not putting my health or recovery at risk for work from home administrators.

No, you use your existing sick leave like has been the case for decades with every other illness

This. No more two week paid vacations for popping an asymptomatic positive test. Use sick leave like everyone else.

How much vacation time do you think teachers get?

You get 5 personal days a year.

Cue dcum parents who are furious that teachers might need to take a day off during the school year

It's 3 personal days a year. You can carry over some so that you never have more than 5, but you're only given 3.

And some schools are strict about not using them to extend a 3 day weekend (that's fun for the family wedding on a holiday weekend...) And not everyone is given their religious holidays off like Christmas and Easter are, so imagine wanting to be with family on a holiday on 3 personal days.

How much annual leave do you get?

10 month employees receive 10 sick days each academic year. However, if you belong to the Sick Bank (which most employees do), two of those days are donated back to the Sick Bank. Therefore, most employees receive eight additional sick days per academic year.

So 8 sick days, plus 3 personal days, and nothing else?

that is correct. 10 sick days (8 for sick leave bank members), 3 personal days. nothing else. this is for 10 month employees, which is all teachers.

What about all the observed holidays in MCPS? That is more than most professionals get, not to mention summers off.

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Anonymous wrote:So you get Covid you go to work sick?? I see resignations.
I will take off sick if I get Covid. Not putting my health or recovery at risk for work from home administrators.

No, you use your existing sick leave like has been the case for decades with every other illness

This. No more two week paid vacations for popping an asymptomatic positive test. Use sick leave like everyone else.

How much vacation time do you think teachers get?

You get 5 personal days a year.

Cue dcum parents who are furious that teachers might need to take a day off during the school year

It's 3 personal days a year. You can carry over some so that you never have more than 5, but you're only given 3.

And some schools are strict about not using them to extend a 3 day weekend (that's fun for the family wedding on a holiday weekend...) And not everyone is given their religious holidays off like Christmas and Easter are, so imagine wanting to be with family on a holiday on 3 personal days.

How much annual leave do you get?

10 month employees receive 10 sick days each academic year. However, if you belong to the Sick Bank (which most employees do), two of those days are donated back to the Sick Bank. Therefore, most employees receive eight additional sick days per academic year.

So 8 sick days, plus 3 personal days, and nothing else?

that is correct. 10 sick days (8 for sick leave bank members), 3 personal days. nothing else. this is for 10 month employees, which is all teachers.

What about all the observed holidays in MCPS? That is more than most professionals get, not to mention summers off.

If by summers off you mean a period of unemployment and no pay? Some teachers do hold back paycheck percentage to save for the summer. Trust me when I say it’s not off at all. Many have second jobs. The Feds have more observed holidays so what?

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Anonymous wrote:There is an easy fix: healthy kids and teachers go to school. Sick kids and teachers stay home until better. No testing, no quarantining little Sophie who has no symptoms but dropped a positive. No quarantining little Johnny who was exposed to Sophie and is no considered unvaccinated bc he’s not boosted. Sick=home. Healthy=school. This is an approach many countries are taking now. I actually wonder if we did this religiously all along if we’d be better off both wrt Covid and collateral damage.

Without testing you have no idea who is sick so you need testing. Vaccination status is meaningless for transmission.

A virus so deadly and worthy of destroying our society that you don’t even know who has it unless you test. No more testing. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze to tell people with no symptoms to stay home. They won’t anyway. Agree with you that unvaccinated and vaccinated kids should be treated the same — allowed to go to school unless actually sick.

Family member of mine was on a ventilator for 2.5 months and will probably need supplemental oxygen for the rest of her life. But nbd right?

Sorry to hear about your family member. What were their risk factors?

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Anonymous wrote:So you get Covid you go to work sick?? I see resignations.
I will take off sick if I get Covid. Not putting my health or recovery at risk for work from home administrators.

No, you use your existing sick leave like has been the case for decades with every other illness

This. No more two week paid vacations for popping an asymptomatic positive test. Use sick leave like everyone else.

How much vacation time do you think teachers get?

You get 5 personal days a year.

Cue dcum parents who are furious that teachers might need to take a day off during the school year

It's 3 personal days a year. You can carry over some so that you never have more than 5, but you're only given 3.

And some schools are strict about not using them to extend a 3 day weekend (that's fun for the family wedding on a holiday weekend...) And not everyone is given their religious holidays off like Christmas and Easter are, so imagine wanting to be with family on a holiday on 3 personal days.

How much annual leave do you get?

10 month employees receive 10 sick days each academic year. However, if you belong to the Sick Bank (which most employees do), two of those days are donated back to the Sick Bank. Therefore, most employees receive eight additional sick days per academic year.

So 8 sick days, plus 3 personal days, and nothing else?

that is correct. 10 sick days (8 for sick leave bank members), 3 personal days. nothing else. this is for 10 month employees, which is all teachers.

What about all the observed holidays in MCPS? That is more than most professionals get, not to mention summers off.

How is it 2022 and some people still don't understand that summer is UNPAID? If you don't like your situation, change it. Many government contractors make enough in 6 months to be able to take the next 6 months off if they feel like it. Source: I'm one of them. So are most of my friends. I don't see you bemoaning our existence. Teachers are an easy target for miserable, pathetic people. Looks like you're one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

Covid policy is no longer being made around extreme edge cases such as yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you get Covid you go to work sick?? I see resignations.
I will take off sick if I get Covid. Not putting my health or recovery at risk for work from home administrators.

No, you use your existing sick leave like has been the case for decades with every other illness

This. No more two week paid vacations for popping an asymptomatic positive test. Use sick leave like everyone else.

How much vacation time do you think teachers get?

You get 5 personal days a year.

Cue dcum parents who are furious that teachers might need to take a day off during the school year

It's 3 personal days a year. You can carry over some so that you never have more than 5, but you're only given 3.

And some schools are strict about not using them to extend a 3 day weekend (that's fun for the family wedding on a holiday weekend...) And not everyone is given their religious holidays off like Christmas and Easter are, so imagine wanting to be with family on a holiday on 3 personal days.

How much annual leave do you get?

10 month employees receive 10 sick days each academic year. However, if you belong to the Sick Bank (which most employees do), two of those days are donated back to the Sick Bank. Therefore, most employees receive eight additional sick days per academic year.

So 8 sick days, plus 3 personal days, and nothing else?

that is correct. 10 sick days (8 for sick leave bank members), 3 personal days. nothing else. this is for 10 month employees, which is all teachers.

What about all the observed holidays in MCPS? That is more than most professionals get, not to mention summers off.

How is it 2022 and some people still don't understand that summer is UNPAID? If you don't like your situation, change it. Many government contractors make enough in 6 months to be able to take the next 6 months off if they feel like it. Source: I'm one of them. So are most of my friends. I don't see you bemoaning our existence. Teachers are an easy target for miserable, pathetic people. Looks like you're one of them.

I don’t know any govt contractors who can do that except those with a high earning spouse

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Anonymous wrote:So you get Covid you go to work sick?? I see resignations.
I will take off sick if I get Covid. Not putting my health or recovery at risk for work from home administrators.

No, you use your existing sick leave like has been the case for decades with every other illness

This. No more two week paid vacations for popping an asymptomatic positive test. Use sick leave like everyone else.

How much vacation time do you think teachers get?

You get 5 personal days a year.

Cue dcum parents who are furious that teachers might need to take a day off during the school year

It's 3 personal days a year. You can carry over some so that you never have more than 5, but you're only given 3.

And some schools are strict about not using them to extend a 3 day weekend (that's fun for the family wedding on a holiday weekend...) And not everyone is given their religious holidays off like Christmas and Easter are, so imagine wanting to be with family on a holiday on 3 personal days.

How much annual leave do you get?

10 month employees receive 10 sick days each academic year. However, if you belong to the Sick Bank (which most employees do), two of those days are donated back to the Sick Bank. Therefore, most employees receive eight additional sick days per academic year.

So 8 sick days, plus 3 personal days, and nothing else?

that is correct. 10 sick days (8 for sick leave bank members), 3 personal days. nothing else. this is for 10 month employees, which is all teachers.

What about all the observed holidays in MCPS? That is more than most professionals get, not to mention summers off.

Holidays have nothing to do with getting sick a few times in a year. One covid can use up that time.