Some U.S. students re-think college plans in states with abortion bans

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.

My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.

What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.

You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.

Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.

This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.

I am adopted. It has been a life of shame and fear. I was considered a sin. I have never gotten over that.

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.

My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.

What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.

You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.

Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.

This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.

I am adopted. It has been a life of shame and fear. I was considered a sin. I have never gotten over that.

Oh give me an f'ing break PP. You are lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares if they decide not to go to College X, Y, Z. They probably don’t need another liberal brainwashed anyways.

This os a dumb take that ignores the economic realities of higher education in 2022. There is a finite supply of parents of college age kids out there who are full pay, when full pay looks like $300k (or more per kid). Maybe the top 5-7% of the population. Top 10% is 200k HHI and That’s the donut hole. And conservative parents who can pay this amount often do not believe the brand name education or an OOS education is worth the high price tag. They often send their kids a tier down with merit or in state. The issue for a brand name school isn’t filling seats post Roe. It’s filling enough seats with full pay students, who effectively subsidize everyone else.

The problem with you take is that the parents you call “liberal brainwashed,” colleges call “highly coveted full pay” and “necessary to keep the light on”.

And on to this that the number of high school grads have peaked and the long anticipated college demographic cliff is coming. And yeah— some red state schools will have issues.

And I agree— it’s that the people of the state have elected people who have codified a second class citizenship status. It is degrading. Also, you send a kid to Wash U. She has an unplanned pregnancy. She comes home and you discuss this as a family and she decides to have an abortion in the DMV. She goes back to Wash U. Which is in a state with laws against leaving MO for an abortion. Congrats. Your kid is a felon. And you think MO wouldn’t love to make an example of a liberal college kid?

Off topic-- but how does that work? Kid is not technically domiciled in a red state, they are domiciled in their home state, attending college in the red state. With the exception of private colleges, they pay out of state tuition and are on their parents' tax returns. I understand that they have to follow the laws where they are attending college, while they are there---but can Missouri hold an out of state resident as a prisoner and prevent her from getting health care in her home state? That would make Missouri it's own country.

From a Constitutional Law perspective, there is a right (written in the Constitution!) to interstate travel. And states must give full faith and credit to laws of other states. A ban on women, or a certain class of women, leaving the state to engage in behavior that is legal in another state is also flat out illegal from an equal protection standpoint. The right is just following the same playbook they used for gay marriage and trying to use scare tactics to pressure women. For example, gambling in casinos may be illegal in your state. But you can’t be charged with a crime. For going to Vegas.

As for residency, that is always tricky for college kids. Some states would count them as residents because they spend 51% of the time in the state. Some states put up a lot of hoops because in state tuition may be at issue. In general, don’t have your kid change voter registration, get a drivers license, or register a car in the red state. It’s not always a choice, but it’s better if they don’t pay taxes in the state, or if they also do some work in their home state. It’s best if they can find a way around signing a lease. It’s a multi factorial analysis. But in VA at least, signing a lease I’d a big piece, and drivers license, voting, car registration and work/taxation are also considered.

pp here-- I did some reading about this and agree it seems unlikely that travel bans will work from a legal or practical standpoint...if states can prevent women from leaving the state, it's basically Gilead in those states.

"Under 18 U.S.C. § 2423, transporting a minor across state lines is a crime when done with the purpose to engage in illegal sex or child pornography: (a) Transportation with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity."

If a fetus is a person is a minor, and you are transporting it across state lines to illegally abort it.... I don't think it's going to be too hard to stretch existing laws about transporting people across state lines to include abortion.

But sure, no problem. Nothing to worry about

A fetus is a person in one state and then step into another state and a fetus is a fetus. What a ridiculous situation.

Vote to get our scotus back and our rights back.

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Human rights are universal. They should vary based on your state.

^^Should NOT vary

They can not just be voted away. Teach your daughters and sons to fight to get this fundamental right restored to all american women.

[Anonymous]

Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.

My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.

What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.

You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.

Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.

This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.

I am adopted. It has been a life of shame and fear. I was considered a sin. I have never gotten over that.

Oh give me an f'ing break PP. You are lying.

I am NOT lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.

So you'd rather be dead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we'd be better off sending our girls to the schools we want - including red states - but getting them all IUDs first. Assuming those remain available.

Funny how you think CIS/hetero men are applying to red state schools. Those advocating for the rights of women, children, and non hetero people are not funneling money to red states, which happen to have the highest National rates of rape, incest, and guns.

[Anonymous]

Frankly, this whole post is stupid. Who cares if students rethink their college choices because of the abortion issue. Go where you think is best fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.

My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.

What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.

You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.

Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.

This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.

You speak as if all the “unwanted” kids are put up for adoption. That’s not true. Nearly half of pregnancies in the US are unplanned. A tiny percentage are given up for adoption. Many, many women have children they resent and can’t afford and keep them anyway. I work in a school and sadly I see the effects on children who are neglected, rejected, and unloved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frankly, this whole post is stupid. Who cares if students rethink their college choices because of the abortion issue. Go where you think is best fit.

Ummm...the people.participating in a thread like this care. If you did not care, why would you waste your time in here? Get a life

[Anonymous]

Why would any woman want to risk getting pregnant in a red state, even if she wants to keep it? If you miscarry in a red state, you'll be a suspect and no doctor will want to help you out of fear of losing their license.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any woman want to risk getting pregnant in a red state, even if she wants to keep it? If you miscarry in a red state, you'll be a suspect and no doctor will want to help you out of fear of losing their license.

Agree. Birth rates will decrease. Pregnancy is frought enough without that addes anxiety. Some women will just say no thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.

So you'd rather be dead?

If that had been my mother's choice, yes.

Much better that than the hell I found out she went through. If I weren't here, I would not know it. You argument is dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any woman want to risk getting pregnant in a red state, even if she wants to keep it? If you miscarry in a red state, you'll be a suspect and no doctor will want to help you out of fear of losing their license.

This is not at all what will happen. A. You will not be a suspect. B. Every doctor will do what is correct. There are lots of reasons to be upset and lots of issues. These are not among them.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any woman want to risk getting pregnant in a red state, even if she wants to keep it? If you miscarry in a red state, you'll be a suspect and no doctor will want to help you out of fear of losing their license.

Agree. Birth rates will decrease. Pregnancy is frought enough without that addes anxiety. Some women will just say no thanks.

This is not a thing. There will be no birth declines. No woman in a relationship is going to say no thanks.