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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Oh I get it. You want to send poor kids from Einstein to Woodard so that you can get more poor kids away from Larlx at Blair? People are funny.

This literally makes no sense. Oakland Terrace has the 2nd lowest FARMS rate of the Einstein feeders, and how the hell would re-zoning Oakland Terrace to Woodward “keep poor kids away from Larlx at Blair”? Did you just dip into the wine early?

You seem to have jumped forward a number of steps to presume and propose which schools in the DCC would, if any, get sent to Woodward. I suggest taking a chill pill.

DP, but since Woodward is being reopened to address overcrowding at WJ and two DCC high schools, how would some of the DCC elementaries not end up there?

The idea that people are fervently debating specific schools like it’s a done deal is ridiculous. In fact, it’s entirely possible that DCC enrollment is entirely based on individual student choice and that no specific school is assigned.

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Anonymous wrote:You all realize that all this overcrowding could be a bubble right? Population is supposed to dramatically decrease in the coming years as families have fewer or no children. It has happened before and that is why Woodward closed in the first place.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the population gains are in moco are from immigration. Are there any indications that is going to let up?

In 2021, the state of Maryland added about 7,000 residents from international in-migration. The same year the state lost 20,000 residents to domestic out-migration. So the state of Maryland had net negative migration.

The Census bureau will release data by county soon so we know what Moco is looking like. But since Moco leads the state in population it’s probably leading this trend.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Oh I get it. You want to send poor kids from Einstein to Woodard so that you can get more poor kids away from Larlx at Blair? People are funny.

This literally makes no sense. Oakland Terrace has the 2nd lowest FARMS rate of the Einstein feeders, and how the hell would re-zoning Oakland Terrace to Woodward “keep poor kids away from Larlx at Blair”? Did you just dip into the wine early?

You seem to have jumped forward a number of steps to presume and propose which schools in the DCC would, if any, get sent to Woodward. I suggest taking a chill pill.

DP, but since Woodward is being reopened to address overcrowding at WJ and two DCC high schools, how would some of the DCC elementaries not end up there?

The idea that people are fervently debating specific schools like it’s a done deal is ridiculous. In fact, it’s entirely possible that DCC enrollment is entirely based on individual student choice and that no specific school is assigned.

I don’t disagree about debating specific schools—that’s silly at this point.

But your premise that individual choice will be the decider here is equally absurd. There’s no student choice at the elementary level, and they’re going to have to assign DCC elementaries to Woodward to relieve overcrowding in the DCC.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

Einstein is much much closer.

Einstein is also much closer to the little neighborhood around St. Paul and Lexington that goes to WJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Oh I get it. You want to send poor kids from Einstein to Woodard so that you can get more poor kids away from Larlx at Blair? People are funny.

This literally makes no sense. Oakland Terrace has the 2nd lowest FARMS rate of the Einstein feeders, and how the hell would re-zoning Oakland Terrace to Woodward “keep poor kids away from Larlx at Blair”? Did you just dip into the wine early?

You seem to have jumped forward a number of steps to presume and propose which schools in the DCC would, if any, get sent to Woodward. I suggest taking a chill pill.

DP, but since Woodward is being reopened to address overcrowding at WJ and two DCC high schools, how would some of the DCC elementaries not end up there?

The idea that people are fervently debating specific schools like it’s a done deal is ridiculous. In fact, it’s entirely possible that DCC enrollment is entirely based on individual student choice and that no specific school is assigned.

I don’t disagree about debating specific schools—that’s silly at this point.

But your premise that individual choice will be the decider here is equally absurd. There’s no student choice at the elementary level, and they’re going to have to assign DCC elementaries to Woodward to relieve overcrowding in the DCC.

You seem to be so invested in this that you lack reading comprehension. I have made zero suggestions about anything only to point out other potential options. I think you should take a breather and relax because you are making a fool of yourself. BOE will decide. They have years to make that decision. And nobody knows what they will do.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

Einstein is much much closer.

Einstein is also much closer to the little neighborhood around St. Paul and Lexington that goes to WJ.

Yes, but that is the town and they are special.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

University yes, but there are zero areas in bounds for OTES where you would cross Connecticut to get to Einstein.

You can cross at Conn lower down. It would not be safe to walk but it is walkable.

Sounds like a simple and inexpensive pedestrian bridge would correct this issue.

Students from Rock View have been crossing Connecticut to get to Einstein for decades without needing a pedestrian bridge. No one from Oakland Terrace would need to cross Connecticut.

We would cross Conn Ave to get there. What are you talking about? Plus many streets don’t have sidewalks.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

Einstein is much much closer.

Einstein is also much closer to the little neighborhood around St. Paul and Lexington that goes to WJ.

Yes, but that is the town and they are special.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Oh I get it. You want to send poor kids from Einstein to Woodard so that you can get more poor kids away from Larlx at Blair? People are funny.

This literally makes no sense. Oakland Terrace has the 2nd lowest FARMS rate of the Einstein feeders, and how the hell would re-zoning Oakland Terrace to Woodward “keep poor kids away from Larlx at Blair”? Did you just dip into the wine early?

You seem to have jumped forward a number of steps to presume and propose which schools in the DCC would, if any, get sent to Woodward. I suggest taking a chill pill.

DP, but since Woodward is being reopened to address overcrowding at WJ and two DCC high schools, how would some of the DCC elementaries not end up there?

The idea that people are fervently debating specific schools like it’s a done deal is ridiculous. In fact, it’s entirely possible that DCC enrollment is entirely based on individual student choice and that no specific school is assigned.

I don’t disagree about debating specific schools—that’s silly at this point.

But your premise that individual choice will be the decider here is equally absurd. There’s no student choice at the elementary level, and they’re going to have to assign DCC elementaries to Woodward to relieve overcrowding in the DCC.

You seem to be so invested in this that you lack reading comprehension. I have made zero suggestions about anything only to point out other potential options. I think you should take a breather and relax because you are making a fool of yourself. BOE will decide. They have years to make that decision. And nobody knows what they will do.

DP, but no one is actually making a fool of themselves on an anonymous message board. Obviously this whole thread is speculation about what will happen with Woodward, but hey it beats endless circular debates over COVID and masks.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

University yes, but there are zero areas in bounds for OTES where you would cross Connecticut to get to Einstein.

You can cross at Conn lower down. It would not be safe to walk but it is walkable.

Sounds like a simple and inexpensive pedestrian bridge would correct this issue.

Students from Rock View have been crossing Connecticut to get to Einstein for decades without needing a pedestrian bridge. No one from Oakland Terrace would need to cross Connecticut.

We would cross Conn Ave to get there. What are you talking about? Plus many streets don’t have sidewalks.

If you are zoned to Oakland Terrace, you are on the same side of Connecticut that Einstein is, the eastern side. Why would you cross it?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

Einstein is much much closer.

Einstein is also much closer to the little neighborhood around St. Paul and Lexington that goes to WJ.

They should try and favor these neighborhood schools and eliminate these weird boundaries. It ends up costing too much anyeay.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Oh I get it. You want to send poor kids from Einstein to Woodard so that you can get more poor kids away from Larlx at Blair? People are funny.

This literally makes no sense. Oakland Terrace has the 2nd lowest FARMS rate of the Einstein feeders, and how the hell would re-zoning Oakland Terrace to Woodward “keep poor kids away from Larlx at Blair”? Did you just dip into the wine early?

You seem to have jumped forward a number of steps to presume and propose which schools in the DCC would, if any, get sent to Woodward. I suggest taking a chill pill.

DP, but since Woodward is being reopened to address overcrowding at WJ and two DCC high schools, how would some of the DCC elementaries not end up there?

The idea that people are fervently debating specific schools like it’s a done deal is ridiculous. In fact, it’s entirely possible that DCC enrollment is entirely based on individual student choice and that no specific school is assigned.

I don’t disagree about debating specific schools—that’s silly at this point.

But your premise that individual choice will be the decider here is equally absurd. There’s no student choice at the elementary level, and they’re going to have to assign DCC elementaries to Woodward to relieve overcrowding in the DCC.

You seem to be so invested in this that you lack reading comprehension. I have made zero suggestions about anything only to point out other potential options. I think you should take a breather and relax because you are making a fool of yourself. BOE will decide. They have years to make that decision. And nobody knows what they will do.

DP, but no one is actually making a fool of themselves on an anonymous message board. Obviously this whole thread is speculation about what will happen with Woodward, but hey it beats endless circular debates over COVID and masks.

I agree--this is oddly refreshing!

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This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

University yes, but there are zero areas in bounds for OTES where you would cross Connecticut to get to Einstein.

You can cross at Conn lower down. It would not be safe to walk but it is walkable.

Sounds like a simple and inexpensive pedestrian bridge would correct this issue.

Students from Rock View have been crossing Connecticut to get to Einstein for decades without needing a pedestrian bridge. No one from Oakland Terrace would need to cross Connecticut.

We would cross Conn Ave to get there. What are you talking about? Plus many streets don’t have sidewalks.

If you are zoned to Oakland Terrace, you are on the same side of Connecticut that Einstein is, the eastern side. Why would you cross it?

We are not on the same side. You may be confusing schools. And, it would not make sense to pull Newport Mills kids and send them to Woodward when Einstein is right there.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Oh I get it. You want to send poor kids from Einstein to Woodard so that you can get more poor kids away from Larlx at Blair? People are funny.

This literally makes no sense. Oakland Terrace has the 2nd lowest FARMS rate of the Einstein feeders, and how the hell would re-zoning Oakland Terrace to Woodward “keep poor kids away from Larlx at Blair”? Did you just dip into the wine early?

You seem to have jumped forward a number of steps to presume and propose which schools in the DCC would, if any, get sent to Woodward. I suggest taking a chill pill.

DP, but since Woodward is being reopened to address overcrowding at WJ and two DCC high schools, how would some of the DCC elementaries not end up there?

The idea that people are fervently debating specific schools like it’s a done deal is ridiculous. In fact, it’s entirely possible that DCC enrollment is entirely based on individual student choice and that no specific school is assigned.

I don’t disagree about debating specific schools—that’s silly at this point.

But your premise that individual choice will be the decider here is equally absurd. There’s no student choice at the elementary level, and they’re going to have to assign DCC elementaries to Woodward to relieve overcrowding in the DCC.

You seem to be so invested in this that you lack reading comprehension. I have made zero suggestions about anything only to point out other potential options. I think you should take a breather and relax because you are making a fool of yourself. BOE will decide. They have years to make that decision. And nobody knows what they will do.

The point of the DCC is to have school choice. That is one reason why some of us who could afford to move stay.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

University yes, but there are zero areas in bounds for OTES where you would cross Connecticut to get to Einstein.

You can cross at Conn lower down. It would not be safe to walk but it is walkable.

Sounds like a simple and inexpensive pedestrian bridge would correct this issue.

Students from Rock View have been crossing Connecticut to get to Einstein for decades without needing a pedestrian bridge. No one from Oakland Terrace would need to cross Connecticut.

We would cross Conn Ave to get there. What are you talking about? Plus many streets don’t have sidewalks.

If you are zoned to Oakland Terrace, you are on the same side of Connecticut that Einstein is, the eastern side. Why would you cross it?

We are not on the same side. You may be confusing schools. And, it would not make sense to pull Newport Mills kids and send them to Woodward when Einstein is right there.

You're located west of Connecticut? Then you're not zoned for OTES. All of OTES is east of Connecticut.