CNN Special - Moms who voted for Biden explain why they voted for a Republican(Youngkin) in Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:The toxicity of the far-left Democrats on these threads is the gift that keeps on giving for the Republicans. Can you imagine wanting any of these people with their zealous, obnoxious, hateful, condescending views as your neighbors, much less as your elected officials? It’s like they’ve been so brainwashed that they’ve lost any ability to engage in civil discourse.

Sometimes I wonder if those posts are from trolls but then I remember my real life friends who think like this. Absolutely no critical thinking. It’s sad, like some kind of cult.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m also a mom and not happy about schools being closed. But I think that was the best call during a freaking pandemic.

I want a plan to do over a year of school. Delay us graduation option. Improve facilities to prepare if this happens again. Improve vaccination production abilities.

All the education in the world won’t help my girls if they accidentally get pregnant under a R governor. That’s my feeeling sorry not sorry

1. You have no evidence that access to abortions in VA will change.
2. If they do change, drive to DC or MD (where there is a R governor).

You all are asking people to vote on giant abstract issues that MIGHT impact them at some point rather than things in their life that they feel are impacting them right this minute. And then judging them for it to boot. Or telling them they are just wrong and it's not really impacting them how they feel it's impacting them. Just not a winning strategy.

And you're not getting a plan to do over a year of school. No one is getting that.

1. The GOP tried the last time they were in power. They can absolutely push through legislation now that the votes line up. The GOP today is actively trying to ban abortions. Everyone is waiting on SCOTUS right now.

2. And what about women in VA who don’t live near DC? VA is a big state. Or don’t have resources to get there?

This comes across as the same hysterical info that caused us to have closed schools for months. We are all going to die from covid! Save our kids!

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly do not understand how people think that Democrats can support closing schools for well over a year, berate parents raising concerns, and see no electoral consequences.

Still throwing that tantrum, huh?

So irrational.

Keep digging. You'll lose even more in the next election cycle.

Yes, jerks will lash out in spite whenever they are called out for their bad behavior.

You haven't successfully called out anyone. You are just flailing. So not only are you incompetent, you are providing an object lesson in Democratic failure for the class.

I’ve been calling people out for their tantrums for over a year now.

Not successfully. You do seem to be doing a bang-up job of campaigning for the Republican party, though.

If you are measuring my success on whether I was able to stop the tantrums by calling them out, then it’s true that I failed. Tantrums continue today.

You might be more successful if you stop pretending everyone who disagrees with you is "having a tantrum." If you treat adults like they are two years old, you really should not be surprised if they vote against you.

I wonder if that poster is actually a Republican troll trying to get people to vote Republican.

+1 to it being a troll. They have the same line about tantrums on repeat and no real response to anyone that actually engages them.

I have engaged in good faith for over a year. I called out the tantrums. The parents cursing at teachers over zoom. Screaming at school board meetings. It was disgusting.

I’m not running for office. If you are voting based on comments from anonymous posters on a mommy website then we have bigger issues with grown a$$ adults throwing tantrums. Which they did. And continue to do.

With all of your good faith efforts, I don’t quite understand your failure to acknowledge the current shortcomings of the Democratic Party, of which there are plenty. If they don’t take a good hard look in the mirror, and at the progressive wing of their party in particular, they are going to lose control of Congress in 2022 and the White House in 2024. I don’t disagree that the behavior of many parents at school board meetings was disgusting, but you’re also throwing insults at people who chose instead to speak at the polls and oust Democratic leadership for how they handled have managed schools during the pandemic. No one here has intimated that they based their votes on posts on a mommy website, and your continued insistence that anyone who voted for Youngkin did so because they are unintelligent or irrational is getting old. But hey good luck with this attitude in the next round of elections, seems like a winning formula

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No, there won't be changes to abortion law. No, democracy won't end. Yes, maybe, a small tax cut. Yes, maybe, rolling back some state level educational decisions. Yes, in four years, a Democrat will reclaim the governor's office. Yes, on it goes...

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The fact that they don’t have a diverse group says volumes. I have Black, Latina, even an Afghani American friend who all voted for Y. It’s not that hard to find.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly do not understand how people think that Democrats can support closing schools for well over a year, berate parents raising concerns, and see no electoral consequences.

I honestly don’t see how Republicans can stage a violent insurrection on the Capitol and then have the rest of the party whitewash it and support changes to state election laws in the name of election fraud than never occurred and face no election consequences.

Exactly.

Summer 2020 - local school districts decide to take cautious approach to deadly, global pandemic in light of parents/teachers concerns and a lot of uncertainty. After surge subsided & teachers are vaccinated (and willing to go back), kids are back in building. Following CDC safety guidelines. At the state level schools can open. Districts are free to decide based on local conditions.

January 2021 - Trump supporters storm the Capitol, goaded by Trump and his Big Lie. People are killed. Pipe bombs placed at DNC/RNC headquarters. We are fearful in our home as we hear about stashes of weapons nearby. After this, the GOP still continues to push The Big Lie with legislation to address “election integrity” by restricting voters and election officials.

But yeah the Ds are the bad guys here. Unbelievable.

Your version of "Summer" 2020 is a revisionist fantasy so it is impossible to take you seriously.

Which part was inaccurate? It was spot on.

The return of kids to school was not linked to any surge (look at the timing). Teachers were prioritized ahead of far more vulnerable population groups for vaccines but did not go back; in fact refused to go back. The timing was not "Summer 2020," it was approximately 18 months of time.

You also left off the enormous amount of documented learning loss that has impacted the most vulnerable children in the state the most, and the fact that there appears to be little documented evidence of outbreaks tied to school globally, and the fact that Democratic policies with respect to covid did not (and still do not) appear to be grounded in science.

This. Teachers did not go back until they were vaccinated. Surges had zero to do with anything. People like my kid's 20-something healthy teacher got prioritized so she could eventually be asked to go back and perform her job in person. And yes, many people noticed this.

The lack of outbreaks when school returned in the Fall (which the NoVa districts were forced to do by law and would not have done otherwise) really just exposed the Ds. I sincerely believe some of my most liberal leaning friends were disappointed it wasn't a disaster of epic proportions. They were waiting with bated breath for widespread outbreaks and school closures.

Oh I totally believe this too. I think they’re going to lose their minds when we finally unmask kids and the hospitalization rate doesn’t surge. And no matter how well things go, they still panic over the outlier, sad anecdotes in the news as if that is representative of what is actually going on at the macro level.

DP. Oh there won't be any unmasking in nova school districts this school year. CDD director just came out with a loud and clear endorsement of masks. Who wants to be THAT person at a school event who isn't masked.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly do not understand how people think that Democrats can support closing schools for well over a year, berate parents raising concerns, and see no electoral consequences.

I honestly don’t see how Republicans can stage a violent insurrection on the Capitol and then have the rest of the party whitewash it and support changes to state election laws in the name of election fraud than never occurred and face no election consequences.

Exactly.

Summer 2020 - local school districts decide to take cautious approach to deadly, global pandemic in light of parents/teachers concerns and a lot of uncertainty. After surge subsided & teachers are vaccinated (and willing to go back), kids are back in building. Following CDC safety guidelines. At the state level schools can open. Districts are free to decide based on local conditions.

January 2021 - Trump supporters storm the Capitol, goaded by Trump and his Big Lie. People are killed. Pipe bombs placed at DNC/RNC headquarters. We are fearful in our home as we hear about stashes of weapons nearby. After this, the GOP still continues to push The Big Lie with legislation to address “election integrity” by restricting voters and election officials.

But yeah the Ds are the bad guys here. Unbelievable.

Your version of "Summer" 2020 is a revisionist fantasy so it is impossible to take you seriously.

Which part was inaccurate? It was spot on.

The return of kids to school was not linked to any surge (look at the timing). Teachers were prioritized ahead of far more vulnerable population groups for vaccines but did not go back; in fact refused to go back. The timing was not "Summer 2020," it was approximately 18 months of time.

You also left off the enormous amount of documented learning loss that has impacted the most vulnerable children in the state the most, and the fact that there appears to be little documented evidence of outbreaks tied to school globally, and the fact that Democratic policies with respect to covid did not (and still do not) appear to be grounded in science.

This. Teachers did not go back until they were vaccinated. Surges had zero to do with anything. People like my kid's 20-something healthy teacher got prioritized so she could eventually be asked to go back and perform her job in person. And yes, many people noticed this.

The lack of outbreaks when school returned in the Fall (which the NoVa districts were forced to do by law and would not have done otherwise) really just exposed the Ds. I sincerely believe some of my most liberal leaning friends were disappointed it wasn't a disaster of epic proportions. They were waiting with bated breath for widespread outbreaks and school closures.

Oh I totally believe this too. I think they’re going to lose their minds when we finally unmask kids and the hospitalization rate doesn’t surge. And no matter how well things go, they still panic over the outlier, sad anecdotes in the news as if that is representative of what is actually going on at the macro level.

DP. Oh there won't be any unmasking in nova school districts this school year. CDD director just came out with a loud and clear endorsement of masks. Who wants to be THAT person at a school event who isn't masked.

^CDC

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

This is it. He could have maybe, oh I don’t know, said that even though he wasn’t in office he regrets the long closures and is sorry for them and it’s looking like with the benefit of hindsight, that it was the wrong decision. And not cozied up to the teachers unions while he was at it. Just showed some sympathy with parents and said that he would be very pro-opening and no more closures. Use state money to address learning and achievement gaps in all our communities. Maybe then the 5%ish of Biden > Youngkin voters wouldn’t have jumped ship and we’d be in a different place right now.

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Does anyone ever believe posts where someone is claiming they voted for Obama and Biden before but just fell in love with Youngkin? These types of posts always seem very fake and trollish to me.

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Anonymous wrote:The toxicity of the far-left Democrats on these threads is the gift that keeps on giving for the Republicans. Can you imagine wanting any of these people with their zealous, obnoxious, hateful, condescending views as your neighbors, much less as your elected officials? It’s like they’ve been so brainwashed that they’ve lost any ability to engage in civil discourse.

I can. It’s called living in the city of Alexandria where the liberal elite is on steroids.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m also a mom and not happy about schools being closed. But I think that was the best call during a freaking pandemic.

I want a plan to do over a year of school. Delay us graduation option. Improve facilities to prepare if this happens again. Improve vaccination production abilities.

All the education in the world won’t help my girls if they accidentally get pregnant under a R governor. That’s my feeeling sorry not sorry

1. You have no evidence that access to abortions in VA will change.
2. If they do change, drive to DC or MD (where there is a R governor).

You all are asking people to vote on giant abstract issues that MIGHT impact them at some point rather than things in their life that they feel are impacting them right this minute. And then judging them for it to boot. Or telling them they are just wrong and it's not really impacting them how they feel it's impacting them. Just not a winning strategy.

And you're not getting a plan to do over a year of school. No one is getting that.

1. The GOP tried the last time they were in power. They can absolutely push through legislation now that the votes line up. The GOP today is actively trying to ban abortions. Everyone is waiting on SCOTUS right now.

2. And what about women in VA who don’t live near DC? VA is a big state. Or don’t have resources to get there?

This comes across as the same hysterical info that caused us to have closed schools for months. We are all going to die from covid! Save our kids!

I thought we couldn't have school because it was going to kill grandpa and grandma? Errr... Wait it was going to kill teachers? I can't remember what the official goal post was. It kept moving.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone ever believe posts where someone is claiming they voted for Obama and Biden before but just fell in love with Youngkin? These types of posts always seem very fake and trollish to me.

It's not that they love Youngkin. It"s that they hate the progressive left for its obnoxious behavior. Everytime you pretend that nobody could think you are obnoxious, you create another Republican voter.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone ever believe posts where someone is claiming they voted for Obama and Biden before but just fell in love with Youngkin? These types of posts always seem very fake and trollish to me.

It's not that they love Youngkin. It"s that they hate the progressive left for its obnoxious behavior. Everytime you pretend that nobody could think you are obnoxious, you create another Republican voter.

Exactly. I voted for Obama and Biden, and I don’t love Youngkin, but I like him a hell of a lot more than progressive Dems, so here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:The toxicity of the far-left Democrats on these threads is the gift that keeps on giving for the Republicans. Can you imagine wanting any of these people with their zealous, obnoxious, hateful, condescending views as your neighbors, much less as your elected officials? It’s like they’ve been so brainwashed that they’ve lost any ability to engage in civil discourse.

Sometimes I wonder if those posts are from trolls but then I remember my real life friends who think like this. Absolutely no critical thinking. It’s sad, like some kind of cult.

I'm a progressive (some would say far-left) Dem and I feel this way. People have fallen into this militant posture because of Trump and they have lost perspective. I am a socialist democrat (like card carrying) and I feel like I spend time talking down people who have always been kind of corporate centrists until about 3 years ago. A lot of people are just using politics to express general fear, unhappiness, and frustration.

One thing that has happened on the left to its detriment is that as people have gotten more interested and involved in politics over the last 5 years or so, they have misunderstood what it means to be a political actor. So many people think it's going to protests, arguing online, yelling at easy targets on the right (usually by taking the bait they have laid specifically for this purpose). It's not. It's voting, having quiet and calm conversations about ideology and policy with friends and neighbors, getting involved at school, maybe organizing with coworkers to improve conditions. I mean protests have their place, but this kind of knee jerk "well lets go march about that" shows a real lack of imagination or work ethic.

Anyway, McAuliffe was an absolutely awful candidate and has always been awful (he's not even progressive, just a hack). Youngkin sucks but is unlikely to do anything on education. I think people should pay closer attention to school boards and these anti-CRT nut jobs, as well as the greater movement to keep privatizing education. Abortion rights are the bigger issue but that's so much bigger than Virginia and I think we need to start thinking more radically about that issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly do not understand how people think that Democrats can support closing schools for well over a year, berate parents raising concerns, and see no electoral consequences.

Still throwing that tantrum, huh?

So irrational.

Keep digging. You'll lose even more in the next election cycle.

Yes, jerks will lash out in spite whenever they are called out for their bad behavior.

You haven't successfully called out anyone. You are just flailing. So not only are you incompetent, you are providing an object lesson in Democratic failure for the class.

I’ve been calling people out for their tantrums for over a year now.

Not successfully. You do seem to be doing a bang-up job of campaigning for the Republican party, though.

If you are measuring my success on whether I was able to stop the tantrums by calling them out, then it’s true that I failed. Tantrums continue today.

You might be more successful if you stop pretending everyone who disagrees with you is "having a tantrum." If you treat adults like they are two years old, you really should not be surprised if they vote against you.

I wonder if that poster is actually a Republican troll trying to get people to vote Republican.

+1 to it being a troll. They have the same line about tantrums on repeat and no real response to anyone that actually engages them.

I have engaged in good faith for over a year. I called out the tantrums. The parents cursing at teachers over zoom. Screaming at school board meetings. It was disgusting.

I’m not running for office. If you are voting based on comments from anonymous posters on a mommy website then we have bigger issues with grown a$$ adults throwing tantrums. Which they did. And continue to do.

With all of your good faith efforts, I don’t quite understand your failure to acknowledge the current shortcomings of the Democratic Party, of which there are plenty. If they don’t take a good hard look in the mirror, and at the progressive wing of their party in particular, they are going to lose control of Congress in 2022 and the White House in 2024. I don’t disagree that the behavior of many parents at school board meetings was disgusting, but you’re also throwing insults at people who chose instead to speak at the polls and oust Democratic leadership for how they handled have managed schools during the pandemic. No one here has intimated that they based their votes on posts on a mommy website, and your continued insistence that anyone who voted for Youngkin did so because they are unintelligent or irrational is getting old. But hey good luck with this attitude in the next round of elections, seems like a winning formula

I have acknowledged the Ds’ failures. Just not on this particular sub-thread.

This one is about the people who did behave poorly. Including rewriting history or lying about the closures. The surge was absolutely a concern. Schools weren’t “closed for well over a year”. People constantly complain about comments on here “turning votes to R” - even on this thread.

Perhaps if the top PP had posted in good faith we could have had a different discussion here.

I’ll add a third category to Youngkin voters: Republican.

So either they are:
- Republican - some combination of pro-life, anti-taxes/gov’t services, anti-equality
- ignorant - believed misinformation (no, nobody was lining up kids by race in VA)
- understood the facts but were ANGRY and voted on emotionally rather than pragmatically