Banneker versus School Without Walls

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the HBCU references...I doubt most of you have ever been on an HBCU campus. Just say "I don't want me kid to be a minority"....Pretty easy to figure that out..

Sorry - I forgot DCUM is where people go ape s@# for the good old days of Jim Crow

I do not understand why Banneker threads are just horrible on DCUM. They really bring out the absolute worst people commenting. It’s a shame because my kid has really liked Banneker. People should not listen to some of the posters on this thread. They don’t have kids in the school and seem to be incredibly misinformed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the HBCU references...I doubt most of you have ever been on an HBCU campus. Just say "I don't want me kid to be a minority"....Pretty easy to figure that out..

I don't understand comments like these. Do HBCU or high schools like Banneker want white students to enroll, in any significant numbers? They do not. So when white parents respect that, then they should be insulted for doing so?

[Anonymous]

Reasonable question, PP. White parents are damned if they do and damned if they don't on Banneker threads. Best to avoid them.

[Anonymous]

Average SAT scores:

Banneker

Math: 480
Verbal: 500
Total: 980

SWW:

Math: 630
Verbal: 650
Total: 1280

Wilson:

Math: 580
Verbal: 590
Total: 1170

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Average SAT scores:

Banneker

Math: 480
Verbal: 500
Total: 980

SWW:

Math: 630
Verbal: 650
Total: 1280

Wilson:

Math: 580
Verbal: 590
Total: 1170

What a misery. Reference, data year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Average SAT scores:

Banneker

Math: 480
Verbal: 500
Total: 980

SWW:

Math: 630
Verbal: 650
Total: 1280

Wilson:

Math: 580
Verbal: 590
Total: 1170

I will say it again: SAT SCORES CORRELATE TO FAMILY SES. Banneker is a Title 1 school.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/markkantrowitz/2021/05/21/how-admissions-tests-discriminate-against-low-income-and-minority-student-admissions-at-selective-colleges/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nonsense. Segregation isn't a good thing in this country. Schools that are almost all white, schools that are almost all-minority schools....not the worst set-up if they're good schools like Banneker, but not the best either.

We live in a multi-ethnic, multi-racial society dominated, unfortunately, by white power and influence. Like it or not AA high school graduates are going to need to compete with whites to pursue successful, high-earning careers. They deserve a leg up in learning to study and work in multi-racial settings, so let them get on with it as teenagers. As an ethnic and racial minority, I was lucky to attend a public high school that was both highly diverse and strong academically. I'd like to see Banneker students have the same opportunities.

As posters point out, DCPS could commit time, energy and resources to ensuring that Banneker can attract a more diverse student body at a time when more diversity than ever is coming up the chain in public middle schools across the city, outside Wards 7 and 8. I'd like to see that happen even if others on this thread don't.

In situations like this it would be useful to be precise as to what DCPS should do to attract more non-AAs to the school.

Run with a more serious admissions process for starters. Kids coast into Banneker far too easily. Improve teaching - too many teachers, particularly older teachers, are just clocking hours. Move away from AA-centric approaches in lesson content- far too much of that to attract many whites, Asians. Provide better SAT prep at Banneker - average scores aren't high enough. Stop encouraging kids to think in terms of 3s on APs as being great scores -they aren't. Don't push the kids around half as much - as the poster above put it, school runs too much like a KIPP. I could go on.

Hahahahahahaha. The admissions process for Banneker was far more serious than that at Walls--this past year, at least. Banneker required an essay, transcript, teacher recommendations, and a lengthy interviews. Walls required a transcript and five-minute interview.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nonsense. Segregation isn't a good thing in this country. Schools that are almost all white, schools that are almost all-minority schools....not the worst set-up if they're good schools like Banneker, but not the best either.

We live in a multi-ethnic, multi-racial society dominated, unfortunately, by white power and influence. Like it or not AA high school graduates are going to need to compete with whites to pursue successful, high-earning careers. They deserve a leg up in learning to study and work in multi-racial settings, so let them get on with it as teenagers. As an ethnic and racial minority, I was lucky to attend a public high school that was both highly diverse and strong academically. I'd like to see Banneker students have the same opportunities.

As posters point out, DCPS could commit time, energy and resources to ensuring that Banneker can attract a more diverse student body at a time when more diversity than ever is coming up the chain in public middle schools across the city, outside Wards 7 and 8. I'd like to see that happen even if others on this thread don't.

In situations like this it would be useful to be precise as to what DCPS should do to attract more non-AAs to the school.

Run with a more serious admissions process for starters. Kids coast into Banneker far too easily. Improve teaching - too many teachers, particularly older teachers, are just clocking hours. Move away from AA-centric approaches in lesson content- far too much of that to attract many whites, Asians. Provide better SAT prep at Banneker - average scores aren't high enough. Stop encouraging kids to think in terms of 3s on APs as being great scores -they aren't. Don't push the kids around half as much - as the poster above put it, school runs too much like a KIPP. I could go on.

Hahahahahahaha. The admissions process for Banneker was far more serious than that at Walls--this past year, at least. Banneker required an essay, transcript, teacher recommendations, and a lengthy interviews. Walls required a transcript and five-minute interview.

^^^this Walls process was total bs. Banneker admissions process was far more rigorous and closer to what would be expected of a "selective" school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Average SAT scores:

Banneker

Math: 480
Verbal: 500
Total: 980

SWW:

Math: 630
Verbal: 650
Total: 1280

Wilson:

Math: 580
Verbal: 590
Total: 1170

I will say it again: SAT SCORES CORRELATE TO FAMILY SES. Banneker is a Title 1 school.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/markkantrowitz/2021/05/21/how-admissions-tests-discriminate-against-low-income-and-minority-student-admissions-at-selective-colleges/

Correct! Families that can pay for tutoring will always have an advantage in regard to standardized testing. A lot of schools are considering making the testing optional. The results don't indicate how well a student will do college.

[Anonymous]

I really hope no one reads this thread in order to oearn anything about Banneker or Walls.

The lack of any real knowledge of either school is apparent to anyone who has spent time at either school.

Sidebar abd Fun Fact: Benjamin Banneker's Maternal grandmother is white. His grandfather, an enslaved african named Banna Ka, worked for his freedom and later married Molly who changed her last name to Bannaker. They had a Daughter and she married a free african named Richard, who also changed his name to Banneker. They all lived on the property owned in Maryland by their parents, and had Benjamin, who was taught to read by his mother and grandmother. Benjamin Banneker did most if his research on that land and inherited the land in his adulthood. He died on the property years later.

Try discussing the school for its merits, not for its racial demographics. These labels are highly limiting when talking about the many ethnicities and backgrounds people of color in the student body are made of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Average SAT scores:

Banneker

Math: 480
Verbal: 500
Total: 980

SWW:

Math: 630
Verbal: 650
Total: 1280

Wilson:

Math: 580
Verbal: 590
Total: 1170

I will say it again: SAT SCORES CORRELATE TO FAMILY SES. Banneker is a Title 1 school.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/markkantrowitz/2021/05/21/how-admissions-tests-discriminate-against-low-income-and-minority-student-admissions-at-selective-colleges/

Correct! Families that can pay for tutoring will always have an advantage in regard to standardized testing. A lot of schools are considering making the testing optional. The results don't indicate how well a student will do college.

Nope.

• The SAT is strongly predictive of college success; students with higher SAT scores are more likely to have higher grades in college.

• Using the SAT in conjunction with high school GPA is the most powerful way to predict future academic performance.

• The SAT is useful beyond admissions; data show that SAT scores are important predictors of student retention to the second year.

https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/national-sat-validity-study-overview-admissions-enrollment-leaders.pdf

[Anonymous]

It's interesting because Sidwell has 57% students of color, 30% of students on aid (with a greater percentage in high school) and an average SAT score of close to 1500.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Average SAT scores:

Banneker

Math: 480
Verbal: 500
Total: 980

SWW:

Math: 630
Verbal: 650
Total: 1280

Wilson:

Math: 580
Verbal: 590
Total: 1170

I will say it again: SAT SCORES CORRELATE TO FAMILY SES. Banneker is a Title 1 school.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/markkantrowitz/2021/05/21/how-admissions-tests-discriminate-against-low-income-and-minority-student-admissions-at-selective-colleges/

Correct! Families that can pay for tutoring will always have an advantage in regard to standardized testing. A lot of schools are considering making the testing optional. The results don't indicate how well a student will do college.

Give us a break. It's no secret that ANY diligent high school student with Internet access at home, school or a public library has been able to get great free tutoring via Khan Academy videos in the last several years. Khan even has a contract with the College Board/SAT organization to provide the tutoring.

Yes, some colleges have made the SAT optional, particularly in the last 18 months when the pandemic rendered in-person testing impossible in many locales. The SAT just isn't a very difficult test for students who read a lot for both school and pleasure, and work hard in algebra and geometry classes, to ace, including low-income students. The math tested in essentially 7th-9th grade math for the college-bound, no great mountain to climb. Deeply unimpressed with Banneker's average SAT scores given that admissions to the program is supposedly highly selective.

PS. I went to Title 1 schools then a NYC magnet HS, parents spoke English poorly and worked unstable blue collar jobs. I scored 700s, no tutoring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really hope no one reads this thread in order to oearn anything about Banneker or Walls.

The lack of any real knowledge of either school is apparent to anyone who has spent time at either school.

Sidebar abd Fun Fact: Benjamin Banneker's Maternal grandmother is white. His grandfather, an enslaved african named Banna Ka, worked for his freedom and later married Molly who changed her last name to Bannaker. They had a Daughter and she married a free african named Richard, who also changed his name to Banneker. They all lived on the property owned in Maryland by their parents, and had Benjamin, who was taught to read by his mother and grandmother. Benjamin Banneker did most if his research on that land and inherited the land in his adulthood. He died on the property years later.

Try discussing the school for its merits, not for its racial demographics. These labels are highly limiting when talking about the many ethnicities and backgrounds people of color in the student body are made of.

I really hope attempts to whitewash Banneker's grim SAT scores gain no traction here. Try seeing and discussing DCPS academics for low SES kids as what they obviously are: substandard, unacceptable, unsatisfactory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Average SAT scores:

Banneker

Math: 480
Verbal: 500
Total: 980

SWW:

Math: 630
Verbal: 650
Total: 1280

Wilson:

Math: 580
Verbal: 590
Total: 1170

I will say it again: SAT SCORES CORRELATE TO FAMILY SES. Banneker is a Title 1 school.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/markkantrowitz/2021/05/21/how-admissions-tests-discriminate-against-low-income-and-minority-student-admissions-at-selective-colleges/

Correct! Families that can pay for tutoring will always have an advantage in regard to standardized testing. A lot of schools are considering making the testing optional. The results don't indicate how well a student will do college.

I actually agree that it's not a great indicator of success in college. I am an incredible test taker -- national merit scholar finalist (which means top 1 percent in sat/psat), 99th percentile IQ, ACT, GRE,etc -- and I had TERRIBLE grades in college. I ended being sort of successful but have a very unusual path.

GPA is a much better indicator of how well someone will do in college.