Magnet high schools

[Anonymous]

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I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A coworker told me that no one gets in without prep. Well my kid did. From his circle of Blair friends, there was one child who was prepped. While there are families who prep, I also think people use that idea to justify why their kid did not get in. In reality it is like very competitive colleges. Lots of very talented kids just don't get in.

I don't think it is appropriate to use the cohort method for HS students since in HS there are many levels of classes available. In middle school there is much less differentiation (or none).

Maybe 25%-30% manage without prep but the majority are in classes from early on.

Several Asian cultures (Chinese, Indian) are heavily focused on education, particularly STEM. Kids have tutors and are often working 2-3 years ahead in math. Of course that's reflected in the test scores. Not necessarily a bad thing. Those families devote lots of resources to education and sometimes music lessons from a young age, and those kids do very well as a result. Why is it their problem so many white families put their resources toward athletics instead? Support starts at home.

Let me guess, you're an Asian (Chinese, Indian) yourself, amirite?

Here's the answer to your question. We, white families, don't think it is smart or beneficial to stand over our kids' shoulders with a ruler threatening to hit each time said kid turns his/hers gaze away from that Khan Academy channel. Let's be honest here, the representatives of "Asian cultures" who made it here are strivers and they don't give a crap that their children are not interested in algebra and/or piano. So this is not 'support', this is coercion often bordering on abuse.

Wow. Just, wow. Racist, much?

It’s okay to be racist towards Asians though, amirite?

No, I’m not ‘an Asian’, but thanks for playing.

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It is really shocking how many people on this board think it's okay to be racist towards Asian Americans -but jump to the defense of other minority groups and think they are so progressive and better than everyone.

why would you assume the PP is a progressive? IMO, some conservatives feel the same way about "over achieving" Asians whom they don't even consider to be real Americans.

Because only a progressive would be racist enough to begin a statement with "we white families."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A coworker told me that no one gets in without prep. Well my kid did. From his circle of Blair friends, there was one child who was prepped. While there are families who prep, I also think people use that idea to justify why their kid did not get in. In reality it is like very competitive colleges. Lots of very talented kids just don't get in.

I don't think it is appropriate to use the cohort method for HS students since in HS there are many levels of classes available. In middle school there is much less differentiation (or none).

Maybe 25%-30% manage without prep but the majority are in classes from early on.

Several Asian cultures (Chinese, Indian) are heavily focused on education, particularly STEM. Kids have tutors and are often working 2-3 years ahead in math. Of course that's reflected in the test scores. Not necessarily a bad thing. Those families devote lots of resources to education and sometimes music lessons from a young age, and those kids do very well as a result. Why is it their problem so many white families put their resources toward athletics instead? Support starts at home.

Let me guess, you're an Asian (Chinese, Indian) yourself, amirite?

Here's the answer to your question. We, white families, don't think it is smart or beneficial to stand over our kids' shoulders with a ruler threatening to hit each time said kid turns his/hers gaze away from that Khan Academy channel. Let's be honest here, the representatives of "Asian cultures" who made it here are strivers and they don't give a crap that their children are not interested in algebra and/or piano. So this is not 'support', this is coercion often bordering on abuse.

Wow. Just, wow. Racist, much?

It’s okay to be racist towards Asians though, amirite?

No, I’m not ‘an Asian’, but thanks for playing.

+1
It is really shocking how many people on this board think it's okay to be racist towards Asian Americans -but jump to the defense of other minority groups and think they are so progressive and better than everyone.

why would you assume the PP is a progressive? IMO, some conservatives feel the same way about "over achieving" Asians whom they don't even consider to be real Americans.

Because only a progressive would be racist enough to begin a statement with "we white families."

That would be a Trumper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

And yet boundaries haven't changed in over 40 years. Some schools are half empty. Others live across the street from one school but get bussed across the county to another. Some schools are mostly segregated and have obviously gerrymandered boundaries from a lifetime ago, but nothing is done about any of it. It's possible they spend a few dollars to appease some wokes but they never change anything so it's all moot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

And yet boundaries haven't changed in over 40 years. Some schools are half empty. Others live across the street from one school but get bussed across the county to another. Some schools are mostly segregated and have obviously gerrymandered boundaries from a lifetime ago, but nothing is done about any of it. It's possible they spend a few dollars to appease some wokes but they never change anything so it's all moot.

Many, many boundaries have changed in the last 40 years. Just not a comprehensive effort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

And yet boundaries haven't changed in over 40 years. Some schools are half empty. Others live across the street from one school but get bussed across the county to another. Some schools are mostly segregated and have obviously gerrymandered boundaries from a lifetime ago, but nothing is done about any of it. It's possible they spend a few dollars to appease some wokes but they never change anything so it's all moot.

Many, many boundaries have changed in the last 40 years. Just not a comprehensive effort.

Less than 10% of the boundaries have changed. The new more diverse boundaries sound awesome though!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

And yet boundaries haven't changed in over 40 years. Some schools are half empty. Others live across the street from one school but get bussed across the county to another. Some schools are mostly segregated and have obviously gerrymandered boundaries from a lifetime ago, but nothing is done about any of it. It's possible they spend a few dollars to appease some wokes but they never change anything so it's all moot.

Many, many boundaries have changed in the last 40 years. Just not a comprehensive effort.

Less than 10% of the boundaries have changed. The new more diverse boundaries sound awesome though!

No, according to the boundary analysis interim report: "Since 1984, the MCPS Board of Education has made changes to school boundaries a total of 131 times. Approximately two in three of these changes were related to new school construction and additions."

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/interim-report/01_Introduction.pdf#page=24

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

And yet boundaries haven't changed in over 40 years. Some schools are half empty. Others live across the street from one school but get bussed across the county to another. Some schools are mostly segregated and have obviously gerrymandered boundaries from a lifetime ago, but nothing is done about any of it. It's possible they spend a few dollars to appease some wokes but they never change anything so it's all moot.

DP.. Do you think these boundaries contribute to the stats above -- 80% of AA and Hispanic MSers not proficient in math.

How do boundaries contribute to this?

Do you think the 35% of white MS students who are not proficient in math all live in the poor parts of MoCo, and the boundary contributed to these kids not being proficient in math?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

And yet boundaries haven't changed in over 40 years. Some schools are half empty. Others live across the street from one school but get bussed across the county to another. Some schools are mostly segregated and have obviously gerrymandered boundaries from a lifetime ago, but nothing is done about any of it. It's possible they spend a few dollars to appease some wokes but they never change anything so it's all moot.

Schools are segregated?!?!?! Holy cow! Can you point us to the policy or law that keeps kids out of schools based on their skin color so we can demand that be changed ASAP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

And yet boundaries haven't changed in over 40 years. Some schools are half empty. Others live across the street from one school but get bussed across the county to another. Some schools are mostly segregated and have obviously gerrymandered boundaries from a lifetime ago, but nothing is done about any of it. It's possible they spend a few dollars to appease some wokes but they never change anything so it's all moot.

Your first few statements are nonsense. But I agree with your last statement. And the reason they probably won't change much is because 90+ % of the county said they wanted to stay in their current schools because stability is the most important factor to them, even more important than geography or overcrowding. Diversity came in dead last out of the 4 priorities which shows how woefully out of touch the 2018 BOE was that made demographics (diversity) the top factor in the boundary policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

And yet boundaries haven't changed in over 40 years. Some schools are half empty. Others live across the street from one school but get bussed across the county to another. Some schools are mostly segregated and have obviously gerrymandered boundaries from a lifetime ago, but nothing is done about any of it. It's possible they spend a few dollars to appease some wokes but they never change anything so it's all moot.

Your first few statements are nonsense. But I agree with your last statement. And the reason they probably won't change much is because 90+ % of the county said they wanted to stay in their current schools because stability is the most important factor to them, even more important than geography or overcrowding. Diversity came in dead last out of the 4 priorities which shows how woefully out of touch the 2018 BOE was that made demographics (diversity) the top factor in the boundary policy.

If by nonesene you mean accurate sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

And yet boundaries haven't changed in over 40 years. Some schools are half empty. Others live across the street from one school but get bussed across the county to another. Some schools are mostly segregated and have obviously gerrymandered boundaries from a lifetime ago, but nothing is done about any of it. It's possible they spend a few dollars to appease some wokes but they never change anything so it's all moot.

Schools are segregated?!?!?! Holy cow! Can you point us to the policy or law that keeps kids out of schools based on their skin color so we can demand that be changed ASAP?

everyone knows they gerrymandered the boundaries to ensure <5% of certain groups just look at the at a glance sheet and you can spot em

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

And yet boundaries haven't changed in over 40 years. Some schools are half empty. Others live across the street from one school but get bussed across the county to another. Some schools are mostly segregated and have obviously gerrymandered boundaries from a lifetime ago, but nothing is done about any of it. It's possible they spend a few dollars to appease some wokes but they never change anything so it's all moot.

Your first few statements are nonsense. But I agree with your last statement. And the reason they probably won't change much is because 90+ % of the county said they wanted to stay in their current schools because stability is the most important factor to them, even more important than geography or overcrowding. Diversity came in dead last out of the 4 priorities which shows how woefully out of touch the 2018 BOE was that made demographics (diversity) the top factor in the boundary policy.

If by nonesene you mean accurate sure.

Please provide a list of these "half empty" schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have kids in MCPS. One was in a magnet program and one not. From my experience, this will never happen in MCPS because MCPS (as a whole, not individual teachers) does not care about kids.

We see this over and over. MCPS rarely does what is in the best interest of our kids. MCPS is, first and foremost, interested in ‘optics’ and making the stats look good.

MCPS wants to be able to say they have made progress by highlighting the numbers of AA and Latino kids in magnet programs. Who cares if they are struggling in the program. Who cares what happens to them after?

MCPS is a disaster and it has let down kids of all races equally.

You got this exactly right. MCPS is a disaster.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

The state report card shows 80% AAs and Hispanics not proficient in math in middle school.



80% not proficient in math in middle school. Let this sink in. (21.9% AA and 18.7% Hispanics proficient.)

ESOL students are the fastest growing group in MCPS. They are only 11.8% proficient in middle school math.

Yet MCPS spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on magnet program reform, boundary analysis, and antiracist study...

Such misplaced priorities. Guess it takes real work to solve difficult problems.

Exactly. Misplaced priorities, for sure.

Changing boundaries and reading Kendi isn’t going to help ANY of these kids, who are not proficient. Not a chance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please- if MC offered vouchers to these cram classes very few would take advantage of the opportunities.

That sounds like a terrible solution. A simpler option might be to simply apply things like local norms.

Uh, how about offering a real rigorous curriculum and honest differentiation in all schools? Then you won't need to fudge things with "local norms."

That's not true at all. There are way more kids capable of doing these programs than there are seats.

??? PP - did you read the comment above yours?