CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

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All this freaking out is so irresponsible. At risk people should quarantine themselves. Lighting the entire economy on fire so that an 80 year old can make it to 81 without quarantining themselves is the height of stupidity! Are there any sensible people out there???

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW - Not trying to be a wise guy and did see the locked thread on this BUT heard from a credible medical professional in the infectious diseases space and she said she thought COVID 19 has been in the US since the late fall or early winter. She felt there has been too much travel and it’s too contagious for it to have taken long. Not sure what this means but she thinks it means that we need to wash our hands and stay smart but that we are already “in it” and need to carry on.

I actually believe this to be true. Remember all the 'we have an early flu season' and 'the vaccine is not well-matched', then 1/2 way into the season (I think when flu actually started in, in earnest) it WAS well-matched. Then there were comments about lots of 'false positives' on flu tests.

Patient 0 had it in Wuhan in November. So your timeline is wrong.

The “early flu season” in December was influenza B. I tested hundreds of patients positive for it. The “second wave” this past month or so is influenza A. Again - I have tested hundreds of patients positive for it. Neither “wave” was COVID-19. Unfortunately.

Oh- to add- I do remember a bunch of patients with flu like illness (fever, fatigue, cough) who were all testing negative for flu around October, and that seemed to last 3-4 weeks in my clinic (the wave of patients presenting, not the illness itself). But this was before even one person in China had it, so very unlikely.

the same folks who have not let the CDC into China to study the start, spread, etc? Umm Humm.

That you know of. China lies

Scientist here. China did not lie on this. The person above who tested patients for flu is right.

BS. China only tells us what they want us to know.

Sorry to intrude on your blind hate, but virologists, infectious disease experts and scientists from related fields have reviewed the data and the Chinese timeline makes complete sense. Research from Chinese scientists studying the epidemic has been published in the greatest international peer-reviewed scientific journals. Their data is solid.

Haven't the Chinese said no to the CDC taking a look around on the ground? Sounds science like. Political science that is.

They said no to the CDC “help”. I can’t blame them. The Chinese have handled this first, longest, and best. They’re the experts and we need their help, not the other way around.

Straight from the Chinese embassy. We can talk to the Koreans, the Chinese and the Iranians will be too busy dealing with regime collapse following the exposure of their lies.

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So this was surprising:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-intensive-care-deaths-a9384356.html

In an alarming development, Dr Nattino said younger patients were being affected, saying the ages of patients ranged from 46 to 83 with only a small number having important underlying conditions.

He added: “The last days are showing a younger population involved as if the elderly and weaker part of the population crashed early and now younger patients, having exhausted their physiological reserves, come to overcrowded, overwhelmed hospitals with little resources left.”

One UK doctor said this latter point needed careful consideration by NHS hospitals, adding: “We need to be careful to have some ICU capacity for younger patients. This is where important difficult decisions need to be made.”

I (44) hate being on the edge of “vulnerable”! I want to not panic and focus on my parents and older neighbors but jfc I’m really worried about where we’re gonna be in a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Chinese just threatened to withhold antibiotics from us if we keep 'blaming them' There's your global economy idiots.

They are going to grab us at the balls and twist. They are won’t send their surplus of test kits to anyone but Iran. They can’t wait to get cranking on 5g, cyber, life sciences etc while Europe and USA flounder around shutting down every piece of their economies. And and blaming trump.

Nationalism just keeps looking better and better.

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Anonymous wrote:All this freaking out is so irresponsible. At risk people should quarantine themselves. Lighting the entire economy on fire so that an 80 year old can make it to 81 without quarantining themselves is the height of stupidity! Are there any sensible people out there???

That’s not the issue.

1. We do not have nearly enough hospital beds.
2. We do not have nearly enough respirators.
3. We absolutely have an incompetent leadership. See 1 and 2 above.

4. Americans are selfish. Hence the ones who know they are sick and think they are more important than everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Chinese just threatened to withhold antibiotics from us if we keep 'blaming them' There's your global economy idiots.

JFC. One good thing, this whole situation has shown us where our weaknesses are and what we need to be prepared for if something much, much worse happens.

One would think we would be able to make our own antibiotics for national security reasons. Pretty dumb we allow all these companies to send manufacturing of this stuff overseas. Antibiotics isn’t like sending a furniture factory to China.

Liberals love their globalism. China are the good guys dontchaknow

If China has let us in, we could have helped contain it. They didn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Chinese just threatened to withhold antibiotics from us if we keep 'blaming them' There's your global economy idiots.

JFC. One good thing, this whole situation has shown us where our weaknesses are and what we need to be prepared for if something much, much worse happens.

+1

One big weakness is our diplomacy. If you are always a jerk to everyone it will come back to bite you.

And there's the problem. Yes, if you are nice to China they will be nice back

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how China handled this “well” when they deliberately allowed thousands to attend the Wuhan banquet when they knew they had a problem. Those people thereafter dispersed allowing this to get much worse. That’s is insane.

The people that are defending China here are insane as well.

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Anonymous wrote:All this freaking out is so irresponsible. At risk people should quarantine themselves. Lighting the entire economy on fire so that an 80 year old can make it to 81 without quarantining themselves is the height of stupidity! Are there any sensible people out there???

What do you do if you are at risk but your family thinks you are 'overblowing' it?

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Anonymous wrote:Chinese just threatened to withhold antibiotics from us if we keep 'blaming them' There's your global economy idiots.

JFC. One good thing, this whole situation has shown us where our weaknesses are and what we need to be prepared for if something much, much worse happens.

One would think we would be able to make our own antibiotics for national security reasons. Pretty dumb we allow all these companies to send manufacturing of this stuff overseas. Antibiotics isn’t like sending a furniture factory to China.

Liberals love their globalism. China are the good guys dontchaknow

If China has let us in, we could have helped contain it. They didn't.

Oh it is the liberal pharmaceutical CEOs who outsourced all our drug manufacturing to foreign countries? Good to know.

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Anonymous wrote:Chinese just threatened to withhold antibiotics from us if we keep 'blaming them' There's your global economy idiots.

JFC. One good thing, this whole situation has shown us where our weaknesses are and what we need to be prepared for if something much, much worse happens.

One would think we would be able to make our own antibiotics for national security reasons. Pretty dumb we allow all these companies to send manufacturing of this stuff overseas. Antibiotics isn’t like sending a furniture factory to China.

Liberals love their globalism. China are the good guys dontchaknow

If China has let us in, we could have helped contain it. They didn't.

Oh it is the liberal pharmaceutical CEOs who outsourced all our drug manufacturing to foreign countries? Good to know.

Who's screaming "nationalism is racism" again?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how China handled this “well” when they deliberately allowed thousands to attend the Wuhan banquet when they knew they had a problem. Those people thereafter dispersed allowing this to get much worse. That’s is insane.

The people that are defending China here are insane as well.

Actually, I think they are just Chinese taking advantage of free speech privileges they do not have in their homeland.

[Anonymous]

Young healthy American guy describes his horrible experience with this virus. From the hospital. You people need to wake up. Yes this is a threat to your kids and yourself, not just the olds. https://people.com/health/new-jersey-first-patient-coronavirus-patient-speaks-out-from-hospital-bed/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag&utm_campaign=peoplemag&fbclid=IwAR0dZZiUQnU_HPlf_AXfznEAV7cA2d2Kw9wnvmntCUFCFpEhDPx8XCCe6xU&fbclid=IwAR0BCTvn3W7cDK35qEJqcVuZC5UW_NWa8HEUdItjyby8ybfi7Xwvs2Ho4cc

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Anonymous wrote:Young healthy American guy describes his horrible experience with this virus. From the hospital. You people need to wake up. Yes this is a threat to your kids and yourself, not just the olds. https://people.com/health/new-jersey-first-patient-coronavirus-patient-speaks-out-from-hospital-bed/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag&utm_campaign=peoplemag&fbclid=IwAR0dZZiUQnU_HPlf_AXfznEAV7cA2d2Kw9wnvmntCUFCFpEhDPx8XCCe6xU&fbclid=IwAR0BCTvn3W7cDK35qEJqcVuZC5UW_NWa8HEUdItjyby8ybfi7Xwvs2Ho4cc

Not sure if it was the patient or the reporter but that article was not informative or thoughtful.

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Anonymous wrote:Chinese just threatened to withhold antibiotics from us if we keep 'blaming them' There's your global economy idiots.

JFC. One good thing, this whole situation has shown us where our weaknesses are and what we need to be prepared for if something much, much worse happens.

One would think we would be able to make our own antibiotics for national security reasons. Pretty dumb we allow all these companies to send manufacturing of this stuff overseas. Antibiotics isn’t like sending a furniture factory to China.

Liberals love their globalism. China are the good guys dontchaknow

If China has let us in, we could have helped contain it. They didn't.

Oh it is the liberal pharmaceutical CEOs who outsourced all our drug manufacturing to foreign countries? Good to know.

+1. All those liberal company execs exporting their manufacturing of everything to cheap labor countries and then spending all their lobbying money on Democrats to pass huge tax reform so they also don’t have to pay any taxes on it. Except....