Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you can't beat an actual player it doesn't matter how badly you "crossed up" that cone...

:FACEPALM:

Look there is a reason you are bitter and your kid is likely being left out. You just don’t get it. You are ignorant, arrogant and stubborn. It doesn’t really matter how your kid gets their technical skills they just need to have them. Kick at a wall, get personal training, group training, pick up soccer, watch YouTube videos, play against the dog, the baby, Dad, big brother, the neighbor, a cone, a beanbag, teammates, friends, grandma, a car, etc..

There are a range of options and I don’t give a f*#k which one, if any, you choose because in your mind it is already either a waste of time or a money grab.

So my advice to you is this. Stay away from the game.

I sound bitter? Lmao okay bud why don't you go dribble at your cones.

[Anonymous]

I think the point is this...Yes, I think everyone is in agreement that soccer IQ is essential. You need to know when and where to perform skills, etc. I actually stated this in my original post when I answered what I personally thought quality training was. I said that, currently, we are focused on improving technical skills outside of team practices and we search out good quality trainers and a small group of kids to train with. With that said...I think what the angry poster is trying to say is that...you need technical skills first. You need to be constantly trying to perfect the technical skills. He nor I disagree that you can find a wall and there are many FREE options. I also addressed this when I said...sometimes a U9, u10, U11 really don't like standing in front of a wall or getting pushed by dad for 2 hours a day. That is why I put my son in small group training with serious trainers and trainees. We are all in agreement I believe except the guy who just has a thing against unopposed training. I don't understand you or the many others that agree with you...so we'll agree to disagree. But to me, unopposed technical training is a must! Juggling, footskills, a wall/rebounder, etc. they are a must to work on every day...if you want to continue to improve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you can't beat an actual player it doesn't matter how badly you "crossed up" that cone...

:FACEPALM:

Look there is a reason you are bitter and your kid is likely being left out. You just don’t get it. You are ignorant, arrogant and stubborn. It doesn’t really matter how your kid gets their technical skills they just need to have them. Kick at a wall, get personal training, group training, pick up soccer, watch YouTube videos, play against the dog, the baby, Dad, big brother, the neighbor, a cone, a beanbag, teammates, friends, grandma, a car, etc..

There are a range of options and I don’t give a f*#k which one, if any, you choose because in your mind it is already either a waste of time or a money grab.

So my advice to you is this. Stay away from the game.

I sound bitter? Lmao okay bud why don't you go dribble at your cones.

Yup, absolutely nothing for a kid to learn by doing individual drills.

https://youtu.be/z7jP3moQi9c

But cones are a money-grab so I get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is this...Yes, I think everyone is in agreement that soccer IQ is essential. You need to know when and where to perform skills, etc. I actually stated this in my original post when I answered what I personally thought quality training was. I said that, currently, we are focused on improving technical skills outside of team practices and we search out good quality trainers and a small group of kids to train with. With that said...I think what the angry poster is trying to say is that...you need technical skills first. You need to be constantly trying to perfect the technical skills. He nor I disagree that you can find a wall and there are many FREE options. I also addressed this when I said...sometimes a U9, u10, U11 really don't like standing in front of a wall or getting pushed by dad for 2 hours a day. That is why I put my son in small group training with serious trainers and trainees. We are all in agreement I believe except the guy who just has a thing against unopposed training. I don't understand you or the many others that agree with you...so we'll agree to disagree. But to me, unopposed technical training is a must! Juggling, footskills, a wall/rebounder, etc. they are a must to work on every day...if you want to continue to improve.

Yes. You need the foundations before you move on to tactics, etc. There is no point of rondos when the kids can't even control a ball, receive a pass, and it continually ricochets off their body.

Sharp passes, one-touch. Good dribbling (both feet). Ability to get the ball under control. Ball skill. Shooting with both feet. The foundations need to be strong and second-nature first and foremost and then you build on them.

Dribbling through flags and/or cones with one foot or the other is even done in European academies. Speed dribbling as well.

People try to compartmentalize way too much. Well-rounded players train both independently and with a team. It's not either or. Lots of free play with kids of all ages and no rules is a big help too. Forget the instruction and the coach telling you how to think. Individuals with flair get a healthy dose of developing outside of formal practices.

[Anonymous]

Well, I mean come on everyone, bitter man has a point. What can a kid even begin to learn about dribbling a ball by actually dribbling a ball?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is this...Yes, I think everyone is in agreement that soccer IQ is essential. You need to know when and where to perform skills, etc. I actually stated this in my original post when I answered what I personally thought quality training was. I said that, currently, we are focused on improving technical skills outside of team practices and we search out good quality trainers and a small group of kids to train with. With that said...I think what the angry poster is trying to say is that...you need technical skills first. You need to be constantly trying to perfect the technical skills. He nor I disagree that you can find a wall and there are many FREE options. I also addressed this when I said...sometimes a U9, u10, U11 really don't like standing in front of a wall or getting pushed by dad for 2 hours a day. That is why I put my son in small group training with serious trainers and trainees. We are all in agreement I believe except the guy who just has a thing against unopposed training. I don't understand you or the many others that agree with you...so we'll agree to disagree. But to me, unopposed technical training is a must! Juggling, footskills, a wall/rebounder, etc. they are a must to work on every day...if you want to continue to improve.

I agree with you.

[Anonymous]

There's more than one person pointing out the issues with unopposed drilling here . . .

When parents ask me about outside training, this is what I tell them:

Very focused small group training with expert coaches, as mentioned above, is the type of training that's absolutely worth the time and cost. You will see 10x improvements or better than individual training.

With individual unopposed training, the player gets better at the drill (so improvement seems to happen) but there is little relative game transfer when you take into account the effort required.

You must watch like a hawk for negative transfer from cone drills with players younger than about 13.

Unopposed drills on a very limited basis are absolutely critical for building player confidence and giving them easy successes that they can use as a foundation for advanced technical training.

Unopposed technique work is extremely good for practicing ball striking because you play a cross when the defender is body lengths away or you strike a free kick when the wall is distant.

Unless players conspicuously lack coordination, balance, and core strength, they should smoothly master unopposed cone drills very quickly. At that point, you let them compete! Again, small group training is best.

There is a tendency by soccer parents today to want to hide players from competition during training. They like to watch orderly cone drills where players aren't stressed. What players of every age need for accelerated development is to be placed under defensive pressure, very nearly at all times.

Lecture over, let the angry comments continue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's more than one person pointing out the issues with unopposed drilling here . . .

When parents ask me about outside training, this is what I tell them:

Very focused small group training with expert coaches, as mentioned above, is the type of training that's absolutely worth the time and cost. You will see 10x improvements or better than individual training.

With individual unopposed training, the player gets better at the drill (so improvement seems to happen) but there is little relative game transfer when you take into account the effort required.

You must watch like a hawk for negative transfer from cone drills with players younger than about 13.

Unopposed drills on a very limited basis are absolutely critical for building player confidence and giving them easy successes that they can use as a foundation for advanced technical training.

Unopposed technique work is extremely good for practicing ball striking because you play a cross when the defender is body lengths away or you strike a free kick when the wall is distant.

Unless players conspicuously lack coordination, balance, and core strength, they should smoothly master unopposed cone drills very quickly. At that point, you let them compete! Again, small group training is best.

There is a tendency by soccer parents today to want to hide players from competition during training. They like to watch orderly cone drills where players aren't stressed. What players of every age need for accelerated development is to be placed under defensive pressure, very nearly at all times.

Lecture over, let the angry comments continue.

Do.Whatever.You.Want.To.Do

Nothing that has been said is mutually exclusive. Do some of the suggestions, none of the suggestions or all of the suggestions. There is not one thing that is the BEST in a vacuum. Right now for your kid perhaps small group training is the best thing for your kid right now in March, 2018. Perhaps later, when self motivation becomes a factor and very specific niche things specific to your child need to be worked on individual unopposed drills might become a better option, especially if they are things that once learned can be done for FREE on their own.

To use another sport, do you honestly believe that Steph Curry ONLY practices against players? Do you honestly believe that he does not spend more hours away from the team in a unopposed setting just dribbling and shooting? And then on top of it, you would begin to tell Steph Curry that what he is doing is not the BEST thing he could be doing because it is "unopposed"?

It is a moving target, season by season, and if you think one thing is the absolute BEST thing then your kid will stagnate.

[Anonymous]

Shooting IS an unopposed action, fool. You don't shoot when you're covered LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shooting IS an unopposed action, fool. You don't shoot when you're covered LOL

Unopposed....Right......

[Anonymous]

This is an excellent illustration of a shot that should not be taken precisely because it is well defended. Ariza is wide open at the elbow.

Look, you are obviously free to waste your kid's time on training that isn't efficient. More power to you. But if you're in a situation where you need to maximize skill development for a young soccer player, unopposed individualized extra training at some allegedly "elite" warehouse is the last option you should choose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is an excellent illustration of a shot that should not be taken precisely because it is well defended. Ariza is wide open at the elbow.

Look, you are obviously free to waste your kid's time on training that isn't efficient. More power to you. But if you're in a situation where you need to maximize skill development for a young soccer player, unopposed individualized extra training at some allegedly "elite" warehouse is the last option you should choose.

...and we wonder why the US can't qualify for the World Cup. You are right, we should just purchase the training from you at the Club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is an excellent illustration of a shot that should not be taken precisely because it is well defended. Ariza is wide open at the elbow.

Look, you are obviously free to waste your kid's time on training that isn't efficient. More power to you. But if you're in a situation where you need to maximize skill development for a young soccer player, unopposed individualized extra training at some allegedly "elite" warehouse is the last option you should choose.

...and we wonder why the US can't qualify for the World Cup. You are right, we should just purchase the training from you at the Club.

I know, kids working on individual skills on their own unopposed is a "waste of time". Sigh....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is an excellent illustration of a shot that should not be taken precisely because it is well defended. Ariza is wide open at the elbow.

Look, you are obviously free to waste your kid's time on training that isn't efficient. More power to you. But if you're in a situation where you need to maximize skill development for a young soccer player, unopposed individualized extra training at some allegedly "elite" warehouse is the last option you should choose.

This is where you seem to want to deal in absolutes. There is no ONE BEST option. There are many options for many varying needs. Learning a foundation of individual unopposed drills can be used and adapted by a player over time as needed as a part of a warm up, a daily routine to just get touches in etc. It is portable and FREE. Does it replace small group or team training? No, and NOBODY said it did either. These types of drills are just a small piece of training that players can use over time.

It doesn't mean that such individual training should be done exclusively but for a variety of reasons at many levels it can be a benefit. A series of 1v1s and small group sessions are also only beneficial if the other kids are even good. What do you learn if the other kid rarely sticks a tackle or cant make a move for you to try and defend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is an excellent illustration of a shot that should not be taken precisely because it is well defended. Ariza is wide open at the elbow.

Look, you are obviously free to waste your kid's time on training that isn't efficient. More power to you. But if you're in a situation where you need to maximize skill development for a young soccer player, unopposed individualized extra training at some allegedly "elite" warehouse is the last option you should choose.

This is where you seem to want to deal in absolutes. There is no ONE BEST option. There are many options for many varying needs. Learning a foundation of individual unopposed drills can be used and adapted by a player over time as needed as a part of a warm up, a daily routine to just get touches in etc. It is portable and FREE. Does it replace small group or team training? No, and NOBODY said it did either. These types of drills are just a small piece of training that players can use over time.

It doesn't mean that such individual training should be done exclusively but for a variety of reasons at many levels it can be a benefit. A series of 1v1s and small group sessions are also only beneficial if the other kids are even good. What do you learn if the other kid rarely sticks a tackle or cant make a move for you to try and defend?

Training against defensive pressure will always be better for development as they resemble the game more. Unopposed training such as using a wall or dribbling through cones is good supplemental training to improve technique, but let's not pretend like it's just as efficient as live drills with defensive pressure. It just looks more like the game. Sorry you don't see it that way.