Harvard tell Trump to pound sand

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

Feeling uncomfortable — or even feeling harassed — doesn’t actually mean they’re not safe on campus. And Bill Ackman complaining about what some undergrads say about Israel is no reason to put the full force of the federal government into trying to destroy an institution. (This is just one Jewish Ivy League, non-Harvard, graduate’s opinion, but still.)

And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?

Ah, we’re going to make policy by hypothetical now?

Hypothetical?? I think not!

Yes, "KKK members at Harvard are making Black students uncomfortable by mimicking what pro-Palestinian protesters did" is a hypothetical.

You altered the posted wording. The post stated: "And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?"

Still a hypothetical!

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

Feeling uncomfortable — or even feeling harassed — doesn’t actually mean they’re not safe on campus. And Bill Ackman complaining about what some undergrads say about Israel is no reason to put the full force of the federal government into trying to destroy an institution. (This is just one Jewish Ivy League, non-Harvard, graduate’s opinion, but still.)

And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?

Ah, we’re going to make policy by hypothetical now?

Hypothetical?? I think not!

Yes, "KKK members at Harvard are making Black students uncomfortable by mimicking what pro-Palestinian protesters did" is a hypothetical.

The point is that it HAS happened at schools where students feel threatened. No one should feel threatened for simply being a student anywhere. Harvard and Columbia Jewish students have done nothing to harm Palestinians.

Sure, no one should feel threatened for simply being a student. Personally, as a Jew, I don't feel threatened by the fact that people are protesting the war in Gaza, even if I find a lot of the rhetoric that's being used to be reprehensible. But I also don't think the U.S. government should make it its mission to try to destroy Harvard because of what the protesters are doing or saying. You want to fine the school for failing to protect Jewish students, fine the school. That would typically involve, oh, a few million dollars, at most, not the revocation of all federal funding to anyone on faculty. Most professors, researchers, and students at Harvard have also done nothing to harm Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

They did that a year ago.

AGAIN, why wasn't immediate action taken? Dr. Gay's response was at best anemic; but she's still a professor making nearly a million a year in salary.

First, universities move slowly on eveything.

Second, a year ago is within a few months of the infractions.

Third, penalties happened. Dr. Gay lost her president's job. How often and how greatly should a huge university get punished for the non-violent actions of a quite small number of people?

Fourth, I'm sure you disagree with the employment of many more professors and many universities. Take it up with them. Rest assured that's Dr. Gay's employment by Harvard has zero impact on you.

RThe fact that she's still at Harvard making almost a million a year is the ultimate punishment, right? Shows how "seriously" Harvard iewed all that occurred ubder her leadership.

I think losing your the president's position after a very short tenure is a pretty big deal.

As for her salary, I'm not why you're so hung up on it (or even know what it is). Sounds like a an awful lot to me, but it has nothing to do with me--nor you, I feel sure. So let it go.

These are the top 10 earners at Harvard in 2023:
Lawrence S. Bacow, former Harvard University President: $3,080,733
Paul M. Healy, Harvard Business School Professor: $1,972,836
Herman B. Leonard, Harvard Business School Professor: $1,889,946
David J. Malan, Computer Science Professor: $1,369,936
Claudine Gay, former Harvard University President and Faculty of Arts and Sciences Dean: $1,362,955
Alan M. Garber, former Harvard University Provost, current Harvard University President: $1,165,036
Srikant M. Datar, Dean of Harvard Business School: $1,140,102
Linda Hill, Harvard Business School Professor: $1,047,648
Diane Lopez, former Vice President of the Office of General Counsel: $1,045,813
George Q. Daley, Harvard Medical School Dean: $1,013,063

And the US taxpayers have been giving Harvard billions of dollars. And they have only been taxed at 1.4% on their endowment, adding insult to injury.

What crazy big salaries! Though I'm really not sure what they have to do with the issues at hand....

But for fun, let's do University of Alabama:

🏈 Top Earners in the University of Alabama System (2024)
1. Kalen DeBoer
Title: Head Football Coach
Annual Salary: $10.875 million (average over 8-year contract)
Details: DeBoer succeeded Nick Saban as head coach, with a contract that starts at $10 million in the first year and increases by $250,000 annually, reaching $11.75 million in the final year.

2. Nick Saban
Title: Former Head Football Coach
Final Reported Salary: $11,244,934.23 in 2023
Details: Saban retired after leading Alabama to six national championships over 17 seasons.

3. Nate Oats
Title: Head Men's Basketball Coach
Annual Salary: $4,348,506.93
Details: Oats has been instrumental in revitalizing Alabama's men's basketball program.

4. Greg Byrne
Title: Athletics Director
Annual Salary: $2,025,590.11
Details: Byrne oversees all athletic programs at the university.

5. Thomas Rees
Title: Offensive Coordinator
Annual Salary: $1,278,689.92
Details: Rees joined Alabama's coaching staff to enhance the offensive strategy.

6. Robert Steele
Title: Defensive Line Coach
Annual Salary: $1,275,170.49
Details: Steele focuses on developing the defensive line players.

7. Eric Wolford
Title: Offensive Line Coach
Annual Salary: $1,054,743.38
Details: Wolford is responsible for the offensive line's performance.

8. Holmon Wiggins
Title: Wide Receivers Coach
Annual Salary: $997,743.40
Details: Wiggins trains the wide receivers to enhance their skills.

9. Stuart Bell
Title: President of the University of Alabama
Annual Salary: $983,645.16
Details: Bell leads the university's academic and administrative functions.

10. Travaris Robinson
Title: Defensive Backs Coach
Annual Salary: $933,360.05
Details: Robinson is tasked with coaching the defensive backs.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

Feeling uncomfortable — or even feeling harassed — doesn’t actually mean they’re not safe on campus. And Bill Ackman complaining about what some undergrads say about Israel is no reason to put the full force of the federal government into trying to destroy an institution. (This is just one Jewish Ivy League, non-Harvard, graduate’s opinion, but still.)

And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?

Ah, we’re going to make policy by hypothetical now?

Hypothetical?? I think not!

Yes, "KKK members at Harvard are making Black students uncomfortable by mimicking what pro-Palestinian protesters did" is a hypothetical.

You altered the posted wording. The post stated: "And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?"

Still a hypothetical!

Wording matters.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

Feeling uncomfortable — or even feeling harassed — doesn’t actually mean they’re not safe on campus. And Bill Ackman complaining about what some undergrads say about Israel is no reason to put the full force of the federal government into trying to destroy an institution. (This is just one Jewish Ivy League, non-Harvard, graduate’s opinion, but still.)

And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?

Ah, we’re going to make policy by hypothetical now?

Hypothetical?? I think not!

Yes, "KKK members at Harvard are making Black students uncomfortable by mimicking what pro-Palestinian protesters did" is a hypothetical.

The point is that it HAS happened at schools where students feel threatened. No one should feel threatened for simply being a student anywhere. Harvard and Columbia Jewish students have done nothing to harm Palestinians.

Sure, no one should feel threatened for simply being a student. Personally, as a Jew, I don't feel threatened by the fact that people are protesting the war in Gaza, even if I find a lot of the rhetoric that's being used to be reprehensible. But I also don't think the U.S. government should make it its mission to try to destroy Harvard because of what the protesters are doing or saying. You want to fine the school for failing to protect Jewish students, fine the school. That would typically involve, oh, a few million dollars, at most, not the revocation of all federal funding to anyone on faculty. Most professors, researchers, and students at Harvard have also done nothing to harm Jews.

PP here. I agree with what you said. (Just fyi, I'm not Jewish can't stand Trump, and voted for Harris with misgivings.)

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Univ. of Alabama gets probably $200 million in research funding.

The University of Alabama at Birmingham, of which UAB Medical School is a part, is maybe more comparable to Harvard on the scientific research front.

UAB got $775 million in 2023 in grants.

So who gets paid what there? Well, ChatGPT has a harder time coming up with answers for me there, but I can give you a couple:

Mona M. Fouad
Title: Associate Vice President of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
Annual Salary: $407,749.08
Role: A professor and medical doctor, Dr. Fouad is a nationally recognized leader in health disparities research and serves as the founding director of the UAB Minority Health & Health Disparities Research Center.

Bill Clark
Title: Former Head Football Coach
Compensation: His contract, effective through the 2023–2024 season, started at $1.45 million and increased to $1.65 million over its term, making him the highest-paid coach in Conference USA at the time.

Should they be stripped of research grants because the football coach gets paid $1.5 million?

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

Feeling uncomfortable — or even feeling harassed — doesn’t actually mean they’re not safe on campus. And Bill Ackman complaining about what some undergrads say about Israel is no reason to put the full force of the federal government into trying to destroy an institution. (This is just one Jewish Ivy League, non-Harvard, graduate’s opinion, but still.)

And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?

Ah, we’re going to make policy by hypothetical now?

Hypothetical?? I think not!

Yes, "KKK members at Harvard are making Black students uncomfortable by mimicking what pro-Palestinian protesters did" is a hypothetical.

You altered the posted wording. The post stated: "And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?"

Still a hypothetical!

Wording matters.

No, in this case, KKK members are not doing what those protesters are doing, so it doesn't matter how you phrase a question about how Black students feel about the KKK members. (That's entirely leaving aside the question of whether the KKK is the appropriate analogy for these protesters.)

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

Feeling uncomfortable — or even feeling harassed — doesn’t actually mean they’re not safe on campus. And Bill Ackman complaining about what some undergrads say about Israel is no reason to put the full force of the federal government into trying to destroy an institution. (This is just one Jewish Ivy League, non-Harvard, graduate’s opinion, but still.)

And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?

Black person here. Feel free to go f--k yourself, you pompous, racist scum.

The KKK was created to serve as a paramilitary death squad wielding state power while giving the government plausible deniability. Its sole purpose was to murder and terrorize Black people back into subjugation as close to slavery as possible. At its height, its members were the most powerful members of society, including multiple presidents and countless governors, mayors, federal law enforcement heads, state law enforcement heads, and wealthy businesspeople. Today, the KKK remains in existence solely in the hopes of restoring an overtly anti-Black racial order.

You really have the audacity to suggest that the students protesting Israel's ongoing genocide on campuses are positioned in relation to Jews and Israelis as the KKK is to Black people?

Black history and pain are not yours to exploit as cheap talking points.

Trash.

DP. If that's all they were doing, that's protected by the First Amendment. But it isn't and you know it. The anti-Israel "protesters" are using violence to intimidate and harass Jewish students, taking over buildings, destroying property, etc... They are acting exactly like the KKK, but instead of hoods they're wearing keffiyes to conceal their identities. Same outfit, different cloth pattern.

dp: Even the off-the-rails anti-Israeli protesters were nowhere near as violent as the KKK.

Moreover, you says protestors "are using violence...,taking over buidings, destroying property." I think you are stuck in campus life of 2023.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

Feeling uncomfortable — or even feeling harassed — doesn’t actually mean they’re not safe on campus. And Bill Ackman complaining about what some undergrads say about Israel is no reason to put the full force of the federal government into trying to destroy an institution. (This is just one Jewish Ivy League, non-Harvard, graduate’s opinion, but still.)

And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?

Black person here. Feel free to go f--k yourself, you pompous, racist scum.

The KKK was created to serve as a paramilitary death squad wielding state power while giving the government plausible deniability. Its sole purpose was to murder and terrorize Black people back into subjugation as close to slavery as possible. At its height, its members were the most powerful members of society, including multiple presidents and countless governors, mayors, federal law enforcement heads, state law enforcement heads, and wealthy businesspeople. Today, the KKK remains in existence solely in the hopes of restoring an overtly anti-Black racial order.

You really have the audacity to suggest that the students protesting Israel's ongoing genocide on campuses are positioned in relation to Jews and Israelis as the KKK is to Black people?

Black history and pain are not yours to exploit as cheap talking points.

Trash.

DP. If that's all they were doing, that's protected by the First Amendment. But it isn't and you know it. The anti-Israel "protesters" are using violence to intimidate and harass Jewish students, taking over buildings, destroying property, etc... They are acting exactly like the KKK, but instead of hoods they're wearing keffiyes to conceal their identities. Same outfit, different cloth pattern.

dp: Even the off-the-rails anti-Israeli protesters were nowhere near as violent as the KKK.

Moreover, you says protestors "are using violence...,taking over buidings, destroying property." I think you are stuck in campus life of 2023.

You're making light of what the protestors did.

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Anonymous wrote:One could attempt to argue there are no issues with political diversity on campus; that Harvard encourages open dialogue; that free exchange of controversial ideas is respected at Harvard, etc. However, we all know these arguments are not the reality at Harvard.

Now try this for Liberty U.

Liberty U, BYU, ND, Duke, U Miss, Vanderbilt, Sewanee, Oral Roberts and others.

They don't get billions in US taxpayer money.

They must certainly do get a huge amount of money in research, grants and other dollars.

Um… this goes to research. Do you think people in academia are getting rich off of research?

Through patents and million-dollar salaries? Yes, yes, I do. And off the US taxpayer largess, and we still end up paying again when these discoveries are sold back to us.

Research professors getting rich off of their research is rare. You are an ignorant fool.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

Feeling uncomfortable — or even feeling harassed — doesn’t actually mean they’re not safe on campus. And Bill Ackman complaining about what some undergrads say about Israel is no reason to put the full force of the federal government into trying to destroy an institution. (This is just one Jewish Ivy League, non-Harvard, graduate’s opinion, but still.)

And if the presence of KKK members doing what thoae protestors did made Black students uncomfortable and/or feeling harrassed?

Black person here. Feel free to go f--k yourself, you pompous, racist scum.

The KKK was created to serve as a paramilitary death squad wielding state power while giving the government plausible deniability. Its sole purpose was to murder and terrorize Black people back into subjugation as close to slavery as possible. At its height, its members were the most powerful members of society, including multiple presidents and countless governors, mayors, federal law enforcement heads, state law enforcement heads, and wealthy businesspeople. Today, the KKK remains in existence solely in the hopes of restoring an overtly anti-Black racial order.

You really have the audacity to suggest that the students protesting Israel's ongoing genocide on campuses are positioned in relation to Jews and Israelis as the KKK is to Black people?

Black history and pain are not yours to exploit as cheap talking points.

Trash.

DP. If that's all they were doing, that's protected by the First Amendment. But it isn't and you know it. The anti-Israel "protesters" are using violence to intimidate and harass Jewish students, taking over buildings, destroying property, etc... They are acting exactly like the KKK, but instead of hoods they're wearing keffiyes to conceal their identities. Same outfit, different cloth pattern.

dp: Even the off-the-rails anti-Israeli protesters were nowhere near as violent as the KKK.

Moreover, you says protestors "are using violence...,taking over buidings, destroying property." I think you are stuck in campus life of 2023.

You're making light of what the protestors did.

What? Not at all. But the protests have changed. When was a building last taken over at a university, any university?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

And for women, Muslim women, Black students, Asian students, etc etc etc.

Right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

They did that a year ago.

AGAIN, why wasn't immediate action taken? Dr. Gay's response was at best anemic; but she's still a professor making nearly a million a year in salary.

First, universities move slowly on eveything.

Second, a year ago is within a few months of the infractions.

Third, penalties happened. Dr. Gay lost her president's job. How often and how greatly should a huge university get punished for the non-violent actions of a quite small number of people?

Fourth, I'm sure you disagree with the employment of many more professors and many universities. Take it up with them. Rest assured that's Dr. Gay's employment by Harvard has zero impact on you.

You know what? Losing your job is no longer enough of a penalty. It's time to make lives a living hell, and do it very publicly.

No. You are a sicko. That's not justice or fairness. it's vengeance. Move to Israel if you want to be a part of violence and retribution that targets innocents as much as the guilty. We are not interested in degenerating to that and destroying any semblance of decency and justice here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

And for women, Muslim women, Black students, Asian students, etc etc etc.

Right?

And for men, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every single college in the US needs to vocalize their support of Harvard. If we allow Trump to take Harvard down, they’re all going down. To be replaced by for-profit patriotic centers of learning.

The silence is deafening.

Start by making your university campus a safe-space for Jewish students; then we’ll talk.

And for women, Muslim women, Black students, Asian students, etc etc etc.

Right?

No, Jewish people are the only protected minority that get special treatment