APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

OMG minor inconvenience. Sure, Jan.

Wait until you see the inconvenience of schlepping from one extreme of the county to the other at rush hour to pick up from extended day. Good luck to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

OMG minor inconvenience. Sure, Jan.

Wait until you see the inconvenience of schlepping from one extreme of the county to the other at rush hour to pick up from extended day. Good luck to you.

I am pleased to be the first to tell you that the distance between Nottingham and either Discovery or Jamestown is not a schlep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

OMG minor inconvenience. Sure, Jan.

Wait until you see the inconvenience of schlepping from one extreme of the county to the other at rush hour to pick up from extended day. Good luck to you.

I am pleased to be the first to tell you that the distance between Nottingham and either Discovery or Jamestown is not a schlep.

No, it’s the distance between whatever school in south Arlington you are renovating for multiple years and Nottingham. Good luck trying to figure that one out if you are a working parent. Thus the comment from one end of the county to the other.

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I think some of the candidates for renovation are Taylor and Jamestown. Not south.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think some of the candidates for renovation are Taylor and Jamestown. Not south.

Some, not all. If not the first, eventually several South Arlington schools would use Nottingham swing space under this proposal. This isn’t a temporary swing space proposal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

Again with the nonstop hate for people trying to save their walkable, neighborhood school community. How dare they not just roll over and accept this proposal without any APS showing any supporting data!

Current enrollment and projections (systemwide) are all the data necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

OMG minor inconvenience. Sure, Jan.

Wait until you see the inconvenience of schlepping from one extreme of the county to the other at rush hour to pick up from extended day. Good luck to you.

I am pleased to be the first to tell you that the distance between Nottingham and either Discovery or Jamestown is not a schlep.

No, it’s the distance between whatever school in south Arlington you are renovating for multiple years and Nottingham. Good luck trying to figure that one out if you are a working parent. Thus the comment from one end of the county to the other.

It's most likely one year, not multiple years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of the candidates for renovation are Taylor and Jamestown. Not south.

Some, not all. If not the first, eventually several South Arlington schools would use Nottingham swing space under this proposal. This isn’t a temporary swing space proposal.

Where does APS say this is a permanent swing space proposal?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

OMG minor inconvenience. Sure, Jan.

Wait until you see the inconvenience of schlepping from one extreme of the county to the other at rush hour to pick up from extended day. Good luck to you.

I am pleased to be the first to tell you that the distance between Nottingham and either Discovery or Jamestown is not a schlep.

No, it’s the distance between whatever school in south Arlington you are renovating for multiple years and Nottingham. Good luck trying to figure that one out if you are a working parent. Thus the comment from one end of the county to the other.

Are you worried it’s your kid’s school in SA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think some of the candidates for renovation are Taylor and Jamestown. Not south.

Some, not all. If not the first, eventually several South Arlington schools would use Nottingham swing space under this proposal. This isn’t a temporary swing space proposal.

Where does APS say this is a permanent swing space proposal?

It will be at least a decade, which is as close to permanent as you can get.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

OMG minor inconvenience. Sure, Jan.

Wait until you see the inconvenience of schlepping from one extreme of the county to the other at rush hour to pick up from extended day. Good luck to you.

I am pleased to be the first to tell you that the distance between Nottingham and either Discovery or Jamestown is not a schlep.

No, it’s the distance between whatever school in south Arlington you are renovating for multiple years and Nottingham. Good luck trying to figure that one out if you are a working parent. Thus the comment from one end of the county to the other.

It's most likely one year, not multiple years.

How do you know? Where does APS say this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

Again with the nonstop hate for people trying to save their walkable, neighborhood school community. How dare they not just roll over and accept this proposal without any APS showing any supporting data!

NP- I support closing Nottingham bc there are too many elementary schools in that fringed band of neighborhoods and it is not operating nearly at capacity. But I’m willing to listen. What are the data driven arguments for keeping it open? Most of what I have heard are emotional responses about community, walkability, traffic complaints, that frankly are generic enough to apply to any school. My understanding is that both Tuckahoe and Nottingham are struggling, but more so Nottingham. Tuckahoe also has planning units that would make more sense to be at Cardinal, but have been left because they need the bodies? Similarly, isn’t Jamestown struggling to fill seats? I thought that was the reason they had the Montessori/preschool program up there. The county demographic study has shown a declining birth rate for the past 5 years or so - ArlCo births began to decline around 2017, which would be right around the cohort entering ‘, so I assume numbers will continue to decline.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

Again with the nonstop hate for people trying to save their walkable, neighborhood school community. How dare they not just roll over and accept this proposal without any APS showing any supporting data!

Current enrollment and projections (systemwide) are all the data necessary.

Haha. Uh huh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

Again with the nonstop hate for people trying to save their walkable, neighborhood school community. How dare they not just roll over and accept this proposal without any APS showing any supporting data!

NP- I support closing Nottingham bc there are too many elementary schools in that fringed band of neighborhoods and it is not operating nearly at capacity. But I’m willing to listen. What are the data driven arguments for keeping it open? Most of what I have heard are emotional responses about community, walkability, traffic complaints, that frankly are generic enough to apply to any school. My understanding is that both Tuckahoe and Nottingham are struggling, but more so Nottingham. Tuckahoe also has planning units that would make more sense to be at Cardinal, but have been left because they need the bodies? Similarly, isn’t Jamestown struggling to fill seats? I thought that was the reason they had the Montessori/preschool program up there. The county demographic study has shown a declining birth rate for the past 5 years or so - ArlCo births began to decline around 2017, which would be right around the cohort entering ‘, so I assume numbers will continue to decline.

The incoming K class at Nottingham is bigger than the K class of last year, so I don’t think it’s a safe assumption.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh. Of course the Notties are there. We all know from the boards and the neighborhood list serves and their text chains. But that doesn’t mean anything re: the outcome. The question is what’s best for Arlington. Not Nottingham.

Sure, and if you actually heard what they were saying last night, they were advocating for more study into this before rushing to close a school. There's basically nothing in the pre-cip to back up this plan other than effectively "trust us."

Just because the community wasn't in on the planning doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

OK that would be great! Let APS show us the studies then! Which schools will use the swing space? For how long? How will they handle extended day? How many busses will be needed and where will they park? I assume then if APS has studied it, they must have completed a traffic study for all the increase in traffic? What will the capacity be at Tuckahoe and Discovery after they absorb Nottingham? Will they need (additional) trailers? What will enrollment be in 2026 and beyond?

And when they tell you any of that information you'll scream about how everything they are telling you is wrong or a lie or misguided. Right?

+1. Yep. They will say that APS planning is incompetent and can’t be trusted. They are already saying that. This is not a constructive community. They will just try to put up obstacles so nothing can be done. They prefer no action to help others in the county over their minor inconvenience.

Again with the nonstop hate for people trying to save their walkable, neighborhood school community. How dare they not just roll over and accept this proposal without any APS showing any supporting data!

NP- I support closing Nottingham bc there are too many elementary schools in that fringed band of neighborhoods and it is not operating nearly at capacity. But I’m willing to listen. What are the data driven arguments for keeping it open? Most of what I have heard are emotional responses about community, walkability, traffic complaints, that frankly are generic enough to apply to any school. My understanding is that both Tuckahoe and Nottingham are struggling, but more so Nottingham. Tuckahoe also has planning units that would make more sense to be at Cardinal, but have been left because they need the bodies? Similarly, isn’t Jamestown struggling to fill seats? I thought that was the reason they had the Montessori/preschool program up there. The county demographic study has shown a declining birth rate for the past 5 years or so - ArlCo births began to decline around 2017, which would be right around the cohort entering ‘, so I assume numbers will continue to decline.

The incoming K class at Nottingham is bigger than the K class of last year, so I don’t think it’s a safe assumption.

How much bigger?