That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids, don't drink or do drugs outside the safety of your homes.

Parents, let kids drink and explore at home. Just grin and bear it. This shit ain't worth your principles.

Because that goes so well. No, parents do not need to be hosting drinking parties at their houses.

How would you prepare them for drinking culture then? Or is it better to shelter them and let them figure it out on their own in college?

[Anonymous]

If Emily Doe had come to after the swedes arrived on the scene and realized that this guy that she had been making out with had continued to dry hump her even after she had passed out, she would have been humiliated and pissed off at him. But I can about guarantee that she would have not called the cops, gone and done the rape kit exams, had photos taken of her naked body. No way would she have wanted to read about this in the paper.

She would have told Brock off in no uncertain terms and that would have been it. Maybe they would have both learned their lesson right then and there. Two lives spared and able to move on.

The reason this got as far as it did is because she blacked out drunk and awoke in the hospital not knowing wth had happened to her. She could have been gang raped for all she knew. HIV!! And once the sex crime investigation started to take place...that was it. No turning back.

If, if, if.

If the Swedes had not arrived, there'd be a rapist on the loose, congratulating himself for "20 minutes of action."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brock is undoubtedly a douchebag, but 6 months of jail and spending the rest of your life as a registered sex offender seems like a reasonable punishment for a man who fingered a passed out drunk girl (and even then we don't know for certain that she was passed out at that moment he did it)

People are outraged at the lenient 6 month sentence. The probation officer took into account the notorieity of the case, that Turner's name is forever besmirched, and the llifetime sentence of the sex offender registry when advising the jail time.

I think the sex offender registry is an awful creation, myself. A lifetime sentence that limits where a person can live, severely limits what job a person can have, and does not distinguish between one sex offense and another. Does the punishment fit the crime? I don't think so. a person is supposed toserve their sentence, pay their debt to society, and then move on. If a person is too dangerous to be out in society, then either give them a lifetimeprison sentence, kill them, or castrate and release them.

I actually do not consider 6 months to be a lenient sentence for someone who fingered a woman In a situation where it can't be proved as to whether she gave her consent. And fwiw, I actually DO believe she was passed out and therefore couldn't give consent, but speculation isn't enough

It was enough for the jury, who found him guilty of 3 felonies, beyond a reasonable doubt. They were the ones who heard all the facts and testimony. It's no longer speculation.

Yes, they found him guilty of the crimes. But they didn't offer an opinion as to whether he deserves a long prison sentence. I believe he is guilty as well, I just don't believe that what he is guilty of is deserving of a long prison sentence. Especially since he will have to live the rest of his life as a registered sex offender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brock is undoubtedly a douchebag, but 6 months of jail and spending the rest of your life as a registered sex offender seems like a reasonable punishment for a man who fingered a passed out drunk girl (and even then we don't know for certain that she was passed out at that moment he did it)

People are outraged at the lenient 6 month sentence. The probation officer took into account the notorieity of the case, that Turner's name is forever besmirched, and the llifetime sentence of the sex offender registry when advising the jail time.

I think the sex offender registry is an awful creation, myself. A lifetime sentence that limits where a person can live, severely limits what job a person can have, and does not distinguish between one sex offense and another. Does the punishment fit the crime? I don't think so. a person is supposed toserve their sentence, pay their debt to society, and then move on. If a person is too dangerous to be out in society, then either give them a lifetimeprison sentence, kill them, or castrate and release them.

You know, part of the reason for this is an abundance of evidence that sexual predators cannot be reformed. I wouldn't want to live next to this guy. I wouldn't my daughters in a room with him. And no, I wouldn't want to work with him.

The thought that there are many, many others like him out there gives me chills.

From the studies I've seen the type of sexual predators that cannot be reformed are pedophiles. This guy was an asshole who took advantage of a drunk girl. Yes, he's a dick, but I don't think it's of the level that he can't be reformed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brock is undoubtedly a douchebag, but 6 months of jail and spending the rest of your life as a registered sex offender seems like a reasonable punishment for a man who fingered a passed out drunk girl (and even then we don't know for certain that she was passed out at that moment he did it)

People are outraged at the lenient 6 month sentence. The probation officer took into account the notorieity of the case, that Turner's name is forever besmirched, and the llifetime sentence of the sex offender registry when advising the jail time.

I think the sex offender registry is an awful creation, myself. A lifetime sentence that limits where a person can live, severely limits what job a person can have, and does not distinguish between one sex offense and another. Does the punishment fit the crime? I don't think so. a person is supposed toserve their sentence, pay their debt to society, and then move on. If a person is too dangerous to be out in society, then either give them a lifetimeprison sentence, kill them, or castrate and release them.

I actually do not consider 6 months to be a lenient sentence for someone who fingered a woman In a situation where it can't be proved as to whether she gave her consent. And fwiw, I actually DO believe she was passed out and therefore couldn't give consent, but speculation isn't enough

I also want to add that I actually think he would have raped her (with his penis) if the men on the bike hadn't come along. But legally you can't just go on gut feelings, you have to go by what is known and what is known is that she doesn't remember the events of the evening and eventually passed out, he fingered her at some point, but it can't be determined if it was prior to her passing out, and witnesses saw him dry hump her with his pants on while she was apparently passed out. Based on what can actually be determined six months in jail and a lifetime branded as a sex offender does not seem lenient to me.

I think that they were fooling around and he had hoped to have sex with her - that was his intent. Then she passed out. He was aroused and was getting himself off by dry humping her. I don't think he had any intentions of raping her unconscious body. He wouldn't have wasted time dry humping her if he was going to rape her. But in CA if the victim doesn't remember what happened....it is assault. Ironically, if she had remained conscious they probably would have had sex....which could have gotten him a rape charge because she blacked out and didn't remember what happened. Thus the intent to rape...

It was a mess of a night alright.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids, don't drink or do drugs outside the safety of your homes.

Parents, let kids drink and explore at home. Just grin and bear it. This shit ain't worth your principles.

Because that goes so well. No, parents do not need to be hosting drinking parties at their houses.

How would you prepare them for drinking culture then? Or is it better to shelter them and let them figure it out on their own in college?

I'm not going to teach my kids how to party drink. I will talk to them about how serious things can get if they don't take the time to get to know a girl and treat her decently.

[Anonymous]

Ok. I am wondering how it is known that he fingered her. And before anyone gets hysterical, I am not trying to cast doubt. I'm just curious as how that can be determined. She obviously doesn't remember anything, the men on the bikes saw him dry humping her. Is manual penetration something that can be determined from a medical exam especially if she was not a virgin. And no I am not victim blaming, I'm just assuming that since she was 23 years old and had a boyfriend she was not a virgin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids, don't drink or do drugs outside the safety of your homes.

Parents, let kids drink and explore at home. Just grin and bear it. This shit ain't worth your principles.

Because that goes so well. No, parents do not need to be hosting drinking parties at their houses.

How would you prepare them for drinking culture then? Or is it better to shelter them and let them figure it out on their own in college?

I'm not going to teach my kids how to party drink. I will talk to them about how serious things can get if they don't take the time to get to know a girl and treat her decently.

Hope they remember that conversation when they are black out drunk.

[Anonymous]

I think that they were fooling around and he had hoped to have sex with her - that was his intent. Then she passed out. He was aroused and was getting himself off by dry humping her. I don't think he had any intentions of raping her unconscious body. He wouldn't have wasted time dry humping her if he was going to rape her. But in CA if the victim doesn't remember what happened....it is assault. Ironically, if she had remained conscious they probably would have had sex....which could have gotten him a rape charge because she blacked out and didn't remember what happened. Thus the intent to rape...

It was a mess of a night alright.

There's no IF anymore, there is only what he did. There's no speculation about what he would have done if she had behaved differently, there is only what he DID TO HER while she was passed out.

I asked a question upthread that none of the rape apologists want to answer: if he'd been found sitting on top of a passed out person slapping her face back and forth, would that be okay to you? If he'd stuck foreign objects into her mouth, instead of an orifice where you assume she derived pleasure from it? Would you still view that as the results of her actions, or speculate that she'd invited him to slap her face while she was unconscious?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok. I am wondering how it is known that he fingered her. And before anyone gets hysterical, I am not trying to cast doubt. I'm just curious as how that can be determined. She obviously doesn't remember anything, the men on the bikes saw him dry humping her. Is manual penetration something that can be determined from a medical exam especially if she was not a virgin. And no I am not victim blaming, I'm just assuming that since she was 23 years old and had a boyfriend she was not a virgin.

He said he did. There was consistent physical evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brock is undoubtedly a douchebag, but 6 months of jail and spending the rest of your life as a registered sex offender seems like a reasonable punishment for a man who fingered a passed out drunk girl (and even then we don't know for certain that she was passed out at that moment he did it)

Leave the "fingering" aside.

He was seen humping her "corpse-like" (the witness's words) body. She was unconscious and he was humping her. We know this because two people saw it. He was convicted of sexual assault with the intent to rape for doing that. It's not questionable. It's not he said/she said. There were two (male) witnesses to that.

6 months isn't enough time for a would-be rapist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I think that they were fooling around and he had hoped to have sex with her - that was his intent. Then she passed out. He was aroused and was getting himself off by dry humping her. I don't think he had any intentions of raping her unconscious body. He wouldn't have wasted time dry humping her if he was going to rape her. But in CA if the victim doesn't remember what happened....it is assault. Ironically, if she had remained conscious they probably would have had sex....which could have gotten him a rape charge because she blacked out and didn't remember what happened. Thus the intent to rape...

It was a mess of a night alright.

There's no IF anymore, there is only what he did. There's no speculation about what he would have done if she had behaved differently, there is only what he DID TO HER while she was passed out.

I asked a question upthread that none of the rape apologists want to answer: if he'd been found sitting on top of a passed out person slapping her face back and forth, would that be okay to you? If he'd stuck foreign objects into her mouth, instead of an orifice where you assume she derived pleasure from it? Would you still view that as the results of her actions, or speculate that she'd invited him to slap her face while she was unconscious?

Yes, your hypotheticals are different. Was he fingering her for his sexual gratification, or for (what he thought was) hers? Slapping her, doing other things to her, are different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brock is undoubtedly a douchebag, but 6 months of jail and spending the rest of your life as a registered sex offender seems like a reasonable punishment for a man who fingered a passed out drunk girl (and even then we don't know for certain that she was passed out at that moment he did it)

People are outraged at the lenient 6 month sentence. The probation officer took into account the notorieity of the case, that Turner's name is forever besmirched, and the llifetime sentence of the sex offender registry when advising the jail time.

I think the sex offender registry is an awful creation, myself. A lifetime sentence that limits where a person can live, severely limits what job a person can have, and does not distinguish between one sex offense and another. Does the punishment fit the crime? I don't think so. a person is supposed toserve their sentence, pay their debt to society, and then move on. If a person is too dangerous to be out in society, then either give them a lifetimeprison sentence, kill them, or castrate and release them.

I actually do not consider 6 months to be a lenient sentence for someone who fingered a woman In a situation where it can't be proved as to whether she gave her consent. And fwiw, I actually DO believe she was passed out and therefore couldn't give consent, but speculation isn't enough

I also want to add that I actually think he would have raped her (with his penis) if the men on the bike hadn't come along. But legally you can't just go on gut feelings, you have to go by what is known and what is known is that she doesn't remember the events of the evening and eventually passed out, he fingered her at some point, but it can't be determined if it was prior to her passing out, and witnesses saw him dry hump her with his pants on while she was apparently passed out. Based on what can actually be determined six months in jail and a lifetime branded as a sex offender does not seem lenient to me.

I think that they were fooling around and he had hoped to have sex with her - that was his intent. Then she passed out. He was aroused and was getting himself off by dry humping her. I don't think he had any intentions of raping her unconscious body. He wouldn't have wasted time dry humping her if he was going to rape her. But in CA if the victim doesn't remember what happened....it is assault. Ironically, if she had remained conscious they probably would have had sex....which could have gotten him a rape charge because she blacked out and didn't remember what happened. Thus the intent to rape...

It was a mess of a night alright.

1) Dry humping her body is a sexual battery/sexual assault.

2) The jury heard all the evidence and convicted him of sexual assault with intent to rape. Your opinion doesn't matter. They heard all of the evidence. You haven't. You are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok. I am wondering how it is known that he fingered her. And before anyone gets hysterical, I am not trying to cast doubt. I'm just curious as how that can be determined. She obviously doesn't remember anything, the men on the bikes saw him dry humping her. Is manual penetration something that can be determined from a medical exam especially if she was not a virgin. And no I am not victim blaming, I'm just assuming that since she was 23 years old and had a boyfriend she was not a virgin.

I believe that was information provided by him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brock is undoubtedly a douchebag, but 6 months of jail and spending the rest of your life as a registered sex offender seems like a reasonable punishment for a man who fingered a passed out drunk girl (and even then we don't know for certain that she was passed out at that moment he did it)

People are outraged at the lenient 6 month sentence. The probation officer took into account the notorieity of the case, that Turner's name is forever besmirched, and the llifetime sentence of the sex offender registry when advising the jail time.

I think the sex offender registry is an awful creation, myself. A lifetime sentence that limits where a person can live, severely limits what job a person can have, and does not distinguish between one sex offense and another. Does the punishment fit the crime? I don't think so. a person is supposed toserve their sentence, pay their debt to society, and then move on. If a person is too dangerous to be out in society, then either give them a lifetimeprison sentence, kill them, or castrate and release them.

I actually do not consider 6 months to be a lenient sentence for someone who fingered a woman In a situation where it can't be proved as to whether she gave her consent. And fwiw, I actually DO believe she was passed out and therefore couldn't give consent, but speculation isn't enough

I also want to add that I actually think he would have raped her (with his penis) if the men on the bike hadn't come along. But legally you can't just go on gut feelings, you have to go by what is known and what is known is that she doesn't remember the events of the evening and eventually passed out, he fingered her at some point, but it can't be determined if it was prior to her passing out, and witnesses saw him dry hump her with his pants on while she was apparently passed out. Based on what can actually be determined six months in jail and a lifetime branded as a sex offender does not seem lenient to me.

I think that they were fooling around and he had hoped to have sex with her - that was his intent. Then she passed out. He was aroused and was getting himself off by dry humping her. I don't think he had any intentions of raping her unconscious body. He wouldn't have wasted time dry humping her if he was going to rape her. But in CA if the victim doesn't remember what happened....it is assault. Ironically, if she had remained conscious they probably would have had sex....which could have gotten him a rape charge because she blacked out and didn't remember what happened. Thus the intent to rape...

It was a mess of a night alright.

1) Dry humping her body is a sexual battery/sexual assault.

2) The jury heard all the evidence and convicted him of sexual assault with intent to rape. Your opinion doesn't matter. They heard all of the evidence. You haven't. You are wrong.

I agree with you. I love how many "opinions" about what happened are on this thread. Its completely ridiculous. As if all these people were there!