Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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What on earth, sorry to just state the obvious, but wouldn’t it be difficult to get an overweight 84 year-old into a septic tank?

No. It would be easier than you think. Get ready for a story.

I went through this whole period of my raising teenagers who had friends over and I couldn’t always police where they were because we have a very large property. They’d be drinking in the horse barn or whatever.

At one point our septic tank pump failed and this huge buzzer went off in the main house and I had to flick all these control panel switches trying to make that one switch off at least until the morning. The house wasn’t burning down.

When I had a plumbing company come out to dig out the area of the pump and replace it, I am not joking … they told me in advance they had to have the skinniest of their guys come out here because he was the only one who could “get down there”

During the day my then teenage daughter and her boyfriend took her car to go and get pizza, coffee, who knows. But they were about to pull out of the property and looked the other way and saw the plumber lying face down on the driveway behind his truck. Cigarettes scattered beside him. He was apparently just having a smoke and keeled straight over. We called emergency services and they tried to resuscitate him but it didn’t work. When they opened his shirt they found out he’d already had some heart surgery.

I never had the heart to call that plumbing company back to be like “he didn’t finish the work!” And just had planks covering the opening to the septic tank.

Later found out my teenagers “friends” were throwing beer cans down there.

Could just as easily have been a body. I’m not making a joke. I only get that tank pumped annually in the spring.

I finally even only now have a suitable more sturdy pallet to place over that open sinkhole because I ordered like 16 bags of driveway salt and water filter salt in December. So nothing else falls in there.

Ma’am this is a Wendy’s

I regret this given the awful reality of this thread, but I laughed.

[Anonymous]

I followed this so closely and now I wish it would disappear from the news until we have answers. My computer cookies must be feeding me a ton of news about her. It's all so disturbing and I can't look away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

No, sounds like they were not being truthful about how they "discovered she was missing." And what prompted them to go to the house.

Someone said the authorities were looking for the ring camera in the septic tank not necessarily, Nancy.

And the other video they were looking for was the "drop off" car taken to the car wash.

I hope they find enough evidence to make an arrest soon. The most promising that we know of is the photos inside Annie's house. The number of flashes going off in the dark must yield valuable evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Sun reportedher church called authorities to tell them she has not been to in person services since 2020. So much for the family statement her church friend called them to alert them she did not show up last Sunday.

Maybe she started going to a different church 6 years ago.

She attends church virtually since Covid. She’s 86 year old and not driving weekly to Sunday mass. She’s too old

[Anonymous]

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What on earth, sorry to just state the obvious, but wouldn’t it be difficult to get an overweight 84 year-old into a septic tank?

Not if she was dismembered or acid was used to degrade the body. Terrible I know. Whoever did this needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law

OK thank you sadly that makes more sense.

That makes more sense? On what planet?

It makes more sense that she would’ve been dismembered instead of them, throwing a fat 84-year-old into a small drywell.

Why do you keep posting she’s fat? 5’5" and 150 is not that big b

This woman will not be easily moved like a frail old lady:

Two Men can easily pick her up. Don’t underestimate a man’s strength.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

What on earth, sorry to just state the obvious, but wouldn’t it be difficult to get an overweight 84 year-old into a septic tank?

Not if she was dismembered or acid was used to degrade the body. Terrible I know. Whoever did this needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law

OK thank you sadly that makes more sense.

That makes more sense? On what planet?

It makes more sense that she would’ve been dismembered instead of them, throwing a fat 84-year-old into a small drywell.

Why do you keep posting she’s fat? 5’5" and 150 is not that big b

This woman will not be easily moved like a frail old lady:

Two Men can easily pick her up. Don’t underestimate a man’s strength.

She's closer to 190.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

Right - they mentioned a church friend alerted them that Nancy didn’t attend. How did Nancy’s friend have Annie’s number? Which friend? Cell records are easily obtainable.

They messed up by using that as their reason

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

What on earth, sorry to just state the obvious, but wouldn’t it be difficult to get an overweight 84 year-old into a septic tank?

Not if she was dismembered or acid was used to degrade the body. Terrible I know. Whoever did this needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law

OK thank you sadly that makes more sense.

That makes more sense? On what planet?

It makes more sense that she would’ve been dismembered instead of them, throwing a fat 84-year-old into a small drywell.

Why do you keep posting she’s fat? 5’5" and 150 is not that big b

This woman will not be easily moved like a frail old lady:

Two Men can easily pick her up. Don’t underestimate a man’s strength.

She's closer to 190.

CNA’s pick up elders that size and bigger o a regular basis.
She’s also frail with weak bones and not lots of muscle tone. A 190 lb adolescent and a 190 lb senior citizen are two different scenarios. Your weight doesn’t necessarily indicate how heavy you are. It’s your bone density, muscle, along with fat and a bunch of other factors

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

Right - they mentioned a church friend alerted them that Nancy didn’t attend. How did Nancy’s friend have Annie’s number? Which friend? Cell records are easily obtainable.

They messed up by using that as their reason

This just doesn't seem that odd to me. She isn't Catholic and doens't go to a huge mass. She goes to services at a smaller protestant church, I think, and is very religious-- it doesn't surprise me that there would be a community of older women that expects to see each other online at services and gets concerned if they don't see the regular crew online and texting the daughter to check on her mom just seems very normal to me. But I agree that it's easily verifiable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

Right - they mentioned a church friend alerted them that Nancy didn’t attend. How did Nancy’s friend have Annie’s number? Which friend? Cell records are easily obtainable.

They messed up by using that as their reason

Yes, that's the whole point!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

Right - they mentioned a church friend alerted them that Nancy didn’t attend. How did Nancy’s friend have Annie’s number? Which friend? Cell records are easily obtainable.

They messed up by using that as their reason

This just doesn't seem that odd to me. She isn't Catholic and doens't go to a huge mass. She goes to services at a smaller protestant church, I think, and is very religious-- it doesn't surprise me that there would be a community of older women that expects to see each other online at services and gets concerned if they don't see the regular crew online and texting the daughter to check on her mom just seems very normal to me. But I agree that it's easily verifiable.

The authorities aren't going to tell us it did not check out. But it sounds like they know now their statements aren't adding up.

[Anonymous]

I found another leak, Annie and Tomasso asked Nancy for money a month ago and she denied their request.

[Anonymous]

The septic tank and ring camera are male clues a family member or someone familiar with the house did it. Only someone familiar with the home would know Nancy didn’t have a ring subscription so any video surveillance wouldn’t save. A group of burglars wouldn’t know that.

They also wouldn’t be pacing around in the yard in the middle of the night attempting to find the septic tank.

This was done by someone already familiar with Nancy’s home -whether it’s a family member or worker

[Anonymous]

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