ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

SY really is seasonal-year, NOT school-year. The new set up matches the seasons for the leagues, not grades (although that it largely does is nice).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine the feeling a parent and their kid would have by having their August kid play down a grade level to bump a kid who has been playing on that team for years just because you want your kid to get more playing time while disrupting a team and players on grade level. Dealing with all the people talking about you and your kid should be reason alone to stay on your SY team. Pretty embarrassing just to think about it.

Exactly, nobody wants Aug birthdays playing down other than the one crazy parent. Theres just no upside. This is why SY leagues will make a rule not allowing it. Which will make 8/1 the same thing as 9/1+30.

I think after all this time, I finally get it. ... Next year, the largest Aug birthdays will become the oldest kids on the team, no matter what grade they are in. That's how it will go, because of the desire for a hard 12-month window. If they want to stay with their grade -- and it's a higher grade -- they need to have the ability to play up on THAT team, no matter the level (ECNL, GA, MLSN, NAL, USYS, rec, etc). This will cause misalignment issues BUT that's where the GY for showcases kicks in. Not perfect but where we are headed.

You kind of get it.

Next year ECNL will switch to an 8/1 cutoff from a 1/1 cutoff. Some schools districts start in Sept and some start in Aug. What this means is 8/1-9/1 birthdays might be either grade. This opens the door for a player who is in 8th grade in school to be the youngest on a team with 8th grade players. Or to be in 8th grade but playing on a 7th grade team as one of the oldest players.

When players are young playing down doesnt really matter. Other than screwing over the 7th grade players for minutes. However when the get older playing down will screw players when it comes to recruitment by colleges.

Doth protest a bit too much, me thinks. In BY, mixed-grade play is the norm. At least Aug b-days have POSSIBLE options to play with their grade, if they go up, but there's no mandate, nor should be. It just might not be the league desired.

If you're going to go though all the effort of switching from BY to SY might as well address all the issues so they dont continuing being problems.

Protesting even more isn't helping.

Yes it is.

Unfortunately the BY to SY grouping change details arent always obvious. Many people are just starting to figure it all out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SY really is seasonal-year, NOT school-year. The new set up matches the seasons for the leagues, not grades (although that it largely does is nice).

Nice try, ECNL and USYS leadership have both said SY will translate into more players.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SY really is seasonal-year, NOT school-year. The new set up matches the seasons for the leagues, not grades (although that it largely does is nice).

Nice try, ECNL and USYS leadership have both said SY will translate into more players.

You responded to wrong post, no worries, it happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SY really is seasonal-year, NOT school-year. The new set up matches the seasons for the leagues, not grades (although that it largely does is nice).

Nice try, ECNL and USYS leadership have both said SY will translate into more players.

You responded to wrong post, no worries, it happens.

I was responding to the correct post.

Its called SY or School Year. This name was chosen because ECNL wants to align players with grade in school not by BY or Birth Year.

Stop tryjng to rewrite reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SY really is seasonal-year, NOT school-year. The new set up matches the seasons for the leagues, not grades (although that it largely does is nice).

Nice try, ECNL and USYS leadership have both said SY will translate into more players.

You responded to wrong post, no worries, it happens.

I was responding to the correct post.

Its called SY or School Year. This name was chosen because ECNL wants to align players with grade in school not by BY or Birth Year.

Stop tryjng to rewrite reality.

Then you misread. They don't talk participation. And they made an astute observation that SY could make more sense being referred to as seasonal year. Which makes sense because the year starts in the fall, not Jan 1. SY as a term pre dates ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Tryjng to walk back SY School Year wont work.

Sorry ECNL said changing from BY to SY would increase the number of players. This is how they've been selling it to clubs.

If things don't turn out the way ECNL + USYS projected its on them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tryjng to walk back SY School Year wont work.

Sorry ECNL said changing from BY to SY would increase the number of players. This is how they've been selling it to clubs.

If things don't turn out the way ECNL + USYS projected its on them.

That is only one of a handful of reasons. The more important reason that will not be disputed is reducing the number of trapped players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tryjng to walk back SY School Year wont work.

Sorry ECNL said changing from BY to SY would increase the number of players. This is how they've been selling it to clubs.

If things don't turn out the way ECNL + USYS projected its on them.

That is only one of a handful of reasons. The more important reason that will not be disputed is reducing the number of trapped players.

Ridiculous, the entire "trapped player" concept only applies if you're looking through BY or SY from a grade in school lense.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth and would fall appart on the stand in court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tryjng to walk back SY School Year wont work.

Sorry ECNL said changing from BY to SY would increase the number of players. This is how they've been selling it to clubs.

If things don't turn out the way ECNL + USYS projected its on them.

That is only one of a handful of reasons. The more important reason that will not be disputed is reducing the number of trapped players.

Ridiculous, the entire "trapped player" concept only applies if you're looking through BY or SY from a grade in school lense.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth and would fall appart on the stand in court.

The solution is not perfect. They said as much. Giving options is why US soccer is letting each sub-group decide what's best for them. At this point additional changes may advantage some individuals BUT disadvantage others. Telling ALL August kids they have to play with their grade is wrong. They should play with the grade that makes the most sense but ALSO based on ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SY really is seasonal-year, NOT school-year. The new set up matches the seasons for the leagues, not grades (although that it largely does is nice).

Nice try, ECNL and USYS leadership have both said SY will translate into more players.

You responded to wrong post, no worries, it happens.

I was responding to the correct post.

Its called SY or School Year. This name was chosen because ECNL wants to align players with grade in school not by BY or Birth Year.

Stop tryjng to rewrite reality.

You are misinformed. It is seasonal year, see https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tryjng to walk back SY School Year wont work.

Sorry ECNL said changing from BY to SY would increase the number of players. This is how they've been selling it to clubs.

If things don't turn out the way ECNL + USYS projected its on them.

That is only one of a handful of reasons. The more important reason that will not be disputed is reducing the number of trapped players.

Ridiculous, the entire "trapped player" concept only applies if you're looking through BY or SY from a grade in school lense.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth and would fall appart on the stand in court.

The solution is not perfect. They said as much. Giving options is why US soccer is letting each sub-group decide what's best for them. At this point additional changes may advantage some individuals BUT disadvantage others. Telling ALL August kids they have to play with their grade is wrong. They should play with the grade that makes the most sense but ALSO based on ability.

What are you talking about?

Play on an ECRL team you shouldn't get to play a grade down just because you're not any good.

[Anonymous]

The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tryjng to walk back SY School Year wont work.

Sorry ECNL said changing from BY to SY would increase the number of players. This is how they've been selling it to clubs.

If things don't turn out the way ECNL + USYS projected its on them.

That is only one of a handful of reasons. The more important reason that will not be disputed is reducing the number of trapped players.

Ridiculous, the entire "trapped player" concept only applies if you're looking through BY or SY from a grade in school lense.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth and would fall appart on the stand in court.

The solution is not perfect. They said as much. Giving options is why US soccer is letting each sub-group decide what's best for them. At this point additional changes may advantage some individuals BUT disadvantage others. Telling ALL August kids they have to play with their grade is wrong. They should play with the grade that makes the most sense but ALSO based on ability.

What are you talking about?

Play on an ECRL team you shouldn't get to play a grade down just because you're not any good.

What are you talking about? With the seasonal year is based on birth dates not grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.