ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tryjng to walk back SY School Year wont work.

Sorry ECNL said changing from BY to SY would increase the number of players. This is how they've been selling it to clubs.

If things don't turn out the way ECNL + USYS projected its on them.

That is only one of a handful of reasons. The more important reason that will not be disputed is reducing the number of trapped players.

Ridiculous, the entire "trapped player" concept only applies if you're looking through BY or SY from a grade in school lense.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth and would fall appart on the stand in court.

The solution is not perfect. They said as much. Giving options is why US soccer is letting each sub-group decide what's best for them. At this point additional changes may advantage some individuals BUT disadvantage others. Telling ALL August kids they have to play with their grade is wrong. They should play with the grade that makes the most sense but ALSO based on ability.

What are you talking about?

Play on an ECRL team you shouldn't get to play a grade down just because you're not any good.

What are you talking about? With the seasonal year is based on birth dates not grades.

Hahaha this is your new angle 🤣

Clubs will see though your misdirection shell game. You sold them on SY School Year not some other gobbly goop.

This will only push more to BY again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where are you getting that from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where are you getting that from?

The same place your getting your GY "info".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Do people think there is some advantage to an August kid playing down a grade as opposed to an August kid playing on grade?

Yes you are confused.

Aug birthdays playing down (typically for wins at a younger age) causes problems when they get older. This is because college coaches wont know how to evaluate them because they're Freshman, Sophomores, Juniors, Seniors playing against players a year younger than they are in school. What will happen is recruiters will just ignore the player and they'll get screwed out of playing in college.

Sounds like a parent issue to me, not a federation issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where are you getting that from?

The same place your getting your GY "info".

Why would anyone care about showcases being GY? The purpose is for recruiting and not results. It’s not going to impact team formation at all so if it happens, doesn’t happen, it doesn’t matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where is this coming from? Please offer proof because ECNL said that they were not going to go rogue on the age cutoffs, they were going to match other leagues. Your statement doesn't match reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where are you getting that from?

The same place your getting your GY "info".

Why would anyone care about showcases being GY? The purpose is for recruiting and not results. It’s not going to impact team formation at all so if it happens, doesn’t happen, it doesn’t matter.

Tell that to the parents of all the players that are the correct age.

Im sure they'll love giving minutes to an older player that cant get recruited on a team with players their grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Do people think there is some advantage to an August kid playing down a grade as opposed to an August kid playing on grade?

Yes you are confused.

Aug birthdays playing down (typically for wins at a younger age) causes problems when they get older. This is because college coaches wont know how to evaluate them because they're Freshman, Sophomores, Juniors, Seniors playing against players a year younger than they are in school. What will happen is recruiters will just ignore the player and they'll get screwed out of playing in college.

Sounds like a parent issue to me, not a federation issue.

You mean the parents paying for everything?

Why should they support some player from the age group above them playing down at showcases? This is the time they paid for their kid to get noticed.

[Anonymous]

How can you not know all this?

Must be a littles know it all parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where are you getting that from?

The same place your getting your GY "info".

Why would anyone care about showcases being GY? The purpose is for recruiting and not results. It’s not going to impact team formation at all so if it happens, doesn’t happen, it doesn’t matter.

Tell that to the parents of all the players that are the correct age.

Im sure they'll love giving minutes to an older player that cant get recruited on a team with players their grade.

What? GY are all players from the same class competing for the same spots in college and all are on the same recruiting schedule.

To be clear, I don’t think any league is going GY but it would not be surprising for showcases to be GY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where are you getting that from?

The same place your getting your GY "info".

Why would anyone care about showcases being GY? The purpose is for recruiting and not results. It’s not going to impact team formation at all so if it happens, doesn’t happen, it doesn’t matter.

Tell that to the parents of all the players that are the correct age.

Im sure they'll love giving minutes to an older player that cant get recruited on a team with players their grade.

What? GY are all players from the same class competing for the same spots in college and all are on the same recruiting schedule.

To be clear, I don’t think any league is going GY but it would not be surprising for showcases to be GY.

And there it is. Magically we've gone back to considering grade a part of the equation again.

Nobody wants the regrade/holdbacks playing down on their team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where are you getting that from?

The same place your getting your GY "info".

Why would anyone care about showcases being GY? The purpose is for recruiting and not results. It’s not going to impact team formation at all so if it happens, doesn’t happen, it doesn’t matter.

Tell that to the parents of all the players that are the correct age.

Im sure they'll love giving minutes to an older player that cant get recruited on a team with players their grade.

What? GY are all players from the same class competing for the same spots in college and all are on the same recruiting schedule.

To be clear, I don’t think any league is going GY but it would not be surprising for showcases to be GY.

And there it is. Magically we've gone back to considering grade a part of the equation again.

Nobody wants the regrade/holdbacks playing down on their team.

Grade is a part of the equation when you are talking about an event with the sole purpose of college recruitment. Grade has nothing to do with a regular league schedule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where are you getting that from?

The same place your getting your GY "info".

Why would anyone care about showcases being GY? The purpose is for recruiting and not results. It’s not going to impact team formation at all so if it happens, doesn’t happen, it doesn’t matter.

Tell that to the parents of all the players that are the correct age.

Im sure they'll love giving minutes to an older player that cant get recruited on a team with players their grade.

What? GY are all players from the same class competing for the same spots in college and all are on the same recruiting schedule.

To be clear, I don’t think any league is going GY but it would not be surprising for showcases to be GY.

And there it is. Magically we've gone back to considering grade a part of the equation again.

Nobody wants the regrade/holdbacks playing down on their team.

Grade is a part of the equation when you are talking about an event with the sole purpose of college recruitment. Grade has nothing to do with a regular league schedule.

Doesn't matter numbnuts nobody wants the holdbacks playing with their team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where are you getting that from?

The same place your getting your GY "info".

Why would anyone care about showcases being GY? The purpose is for recruiting and not results. It’s not going to impact team formation at all so if it happens, doesn’t happen, it doesn’t matter.

Tell that to the parents of all the players that are the correct age.

Im sure they'll love giving minutes to an older player that cant get recruited on a team with players their grade.

What? GY are all players from the same class competing for the same spots in college and all are on the same recruiting schedule.

To be clear, I don’t think any league is going GY but it would not be surprising for showcases to be GY.

And there it is. Magically we've gone back to considering grade a part of the equation again.

Nobody wants the regrade/holdbacks playing down on their team.

Grade is a part of the equation when you are talking about an event with the sole purpose of college recruitment. Grade has nothing to do with a regular league schedule.

Doesn't matter numbnuts nobody wants the holdbacks playing with their team.

In this area with 9/1 school age starts and most areas, August kids playing on grade were holdbacks. The rule will let them play with their grade. Players and parents don't have a say on wanting or not wanting certain teammates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.

ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where is this coming from? Please offer proof because ECNL said that they were not going to go rogue on the age cutoffs, they were going to match other leagues. Your statement doesn't match reality.

It's coming from Trish the Commish's burner account. No way there is going to be a rule that says "if you fall within this age range you can't play in a certain grade." Aug kids will play with Aug. 1 - July 31 kids. If they're good, they can play with the older age group. THE GRADE THEY ARE IN DOESNT MATTER. Does it hurt them if they are in the "lower" grade? Probably, but that's not always going to be the case. Is it ideal for those "young" August kids who will be misaligned? No, it's not. But there are solutions to that problem. Some more extreme than others. The + system won't work because you're extending the cutoff outside the 1 year mark. If soccer was interested in having anything other than a 1 year range, they would have done it. Much like the other leagues people have mentioned that already have (basketball, lacrosse, etc.).