FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

I really don’t think they’ll move all of Forestville to Herndon. At best, they’ll move those with Herndon and Reston addresses to Herndon and South Lakes to reduce redundant bus routes and put a big sticker on fulfilling their cause.

McLean and Marshall both have immediate neighbors to offload students, whereas the western half of the county can use all the high school seats they can get.

If Langley looses Forestville, it’ll need to pick up another elementary school. And I don’t see that happening until Tysons ES is built someday.

+1. The only way Forestville gets moved is if the board wants to punish certain residents for living in a particular zip code. There is room at Langley for the attendance island

I don’t think they see it as punishment to reassign kids to schools closer to their homes. Reid said these boundary changes will be “transformational” so prepare to be transformed.

What a bizarre thing to say.

When you say closer to home, you mean as the crow flies, not commute time, in which there is a negligible difference between the two schools.

No one buys your BS any longer, and the only thing that’s negligible is the impact it will have on FCPS’s decisions.

Such hatred for your neighbors. I understand you’re grasping at straws, but the commute time argument just isn’t compelling. For instance, at the Glasgow meeting yesterday, multiple tables said that it isn’t just commute time it’s also large roads that divide communities- rte 50 in their instance, 7 in the case of Forestville.

What pyramid are you in and why do you seethe about this and focus do much on moving other people’s kids?

Pretty gross.

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Notice, the PP (and others) will never, ever tell you where their own kids go to school. So transparent.

Oh my gosh, you're like a broken record. Shut up about this already.

DP. Seems relevant. I like when she asks.

Thanks. It is, indeed, relevant. I don't have any opinion whatsoever about where kids *other than my own* go to school. It's the height of arrogance for the PP (and others) to think they have any say at all in where other people's kids go to school - especially when they refuse to divulge their kids' school.

Funny because you never call out the Langley posters who are coming up with all sorts of suggestions about where kids zoned to schools other than Langley should be reassigned. Hypocrite.

When posters who refuse to identify their own school blather on constantly about what they think is "best" for other people's kids, then I really couldn't care less if they are treated exactly the same way. Langley posters aren't hiding what school their kids go to. You are, though. Which makes me dismiss anything you have to say. You don't get a say, sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

You do know people don’t live at forestville right? Great falls is very spread out. But forestville to HMS is 5.6 and to Hughes for AAP is 6.2, with travel time about 5 min more to cooper. I’m not arguing that Langley/cooper is closer. But travel time you’re not saving much. What are capacities at HMS/Hughes? Can they take on another Elementary school/group of AAP kids feeding into them?

Cooper will be overcrowded by 2028 with any area moved there, per the FCPS projections. Both Herndon and Hughes are projected to be over 10% under capacity in 2028.

Google Maps shows the current commuting time from Forestville to Herndon to shave 10 minutes off the Forestville to Langley commute. Hard to imagine it would be better during the AM rush, given the number of commuters on Georgetown Pike.

Good news! Cooper has significantly fewer students than projected in the current CIP! How many fewer you ask? I’m glad you asked. 54 fewer, currently at 93% capacity and able to absorb that attendance island no problem

You keep pushing this “solution” in search of a problem. I wonder who at Langley wronged you in the past to cause you to have this weird vendetta.

No one is getting moved to Cooper this year, so it still makes more sense to look at the CIP projections for now. Obviously if the next CIP has lower projections as well to reflect fewer parents than expected sending their kids to Cooper, it's a different analysis looking ahead.

What logic are you employing to say we must look at projections based on last year’s capacity rather than current membership even though the projections one year out were over 5% off?

That seems like cherry picking Sandy Anderson logic to me.

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It'll be hilarious if the people advocating rezoning for kids not their own wind up being the ones who are affected.

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Omg who cares. All these people on here being so nasty to each other...for what? Amazing what being behind screens will do.
I mean, we all care, that's why we are on here...but go voice it to the school board.

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

I really don’t think they’ll move all of Forestville to Herndon. At best, they’ll move those with Herndon and Reston addresses to Herndon and South Lakes to reduce redundant bus routes and put a big sticker on fulfilling their cause.

McLean and Marshall both have immediate neighbors to offload students, whereas the western half of the county can use all the high school seats they can get.

If Langley looses Forestville, it’ll need to pick up another elementary school. And I don’t see that happening until Tysons ES is built someday.

+1. The only way Forestville gets moved is if the board wants to punish certain residents for living in a particular zip code. There is room at Langley for the attendance island

I don’t think they see it as punishment to reassign kids to schools closer to their homes. Reid said these boundary changes will be “transformational” so prepare to be transformed.

What a bizarre thing to say.

When you say closer to home, you mean as the crow flies, not commute time, in which there is a negligible difference between the two schools.

No one buys your BS any longer, and the only thing that’s negligible is the impact it will have on FCPS’s decisions.

Such hatred for your neighbors. I understand you’re grasping at straws, but the commute time argument just isn’t compelling. For instance, at the Glasgow meeting yesterday, multiple tables said that it isn’t just commute time it’s also large roads that divide communities- rte 50 in their instance, 7 in the case of Forestville.

What pyramid are you in and why do you seethe about this and focus do much on moving other people’s kids?

Pretty gross.

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Notice, the PP (and others) will never, ever tell you where their own kids go to school. So transparent.

Oh my gosh, you're like a broken record. Shut up about this already.

DP. Seems relevant. I like when she asks.

Thanks. It is, indeed, relevant. I don't have any opinion whatsoever about where kids *other than my own* go to school. It's the height of arrogance for the PP (and others) to think they have any say at all in where other people's kids go to school - especially when they refuse to divulge their kids' school.

Funny because you never call out the Langley posters who are coming up with all sorts of suggestions about where kids zoned to schools other than Langley should be reassigned. Hypocrite.

When posters who refuse to identify their own school blather on constantly about what they think is "best" for other people's kids, then I really couldn't care less if they are treated exactly the same way. Langley posters aren't hiding what school their kids go to. You are, though. Which makes me dismiss anything you have to say. You don't get a say, sorry.

+1, especially when their logic is based on outright lies, misdirection, and some weird hatred of their neighbors. Pushing for a solution in search of a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

So now your argument is about amount of time in high school vs middle school? Do you even hear yourself talk? You’re completely blinded by your weird crusade.

Btw, since we are on the topic, Committee times going through Reston are typically way worse than GTP. Why? It has to do with the amount of lights you go through. 17 by my count for HMS, 3 for cooper.

That’s why your as the crow flies analysis is not at all compelling.

You sound a bit unhinged. Take a deep breath and come up with something coherent next time. The PP indicated the distances to both HMS and HHS are shorter than the distances to CMS and LHS. What are "Committee times"?

Also, Georgetown Pike is a two-lane road where traffic often moves very slowly, if it's moving at all, and the Herndon schools are not in Reston.

Do better.

To get to HMS many of us would have to go right through the heart of Reston. Learn your geography, if you’re going to be smug.

Ps you really can’t figure out the committee autocorrect?

Not credible, but carry on with the brain freezes.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg who cares. All these people on here being so nasty to each other...for what? Amazing what being behind screens will do.
I mean, we all care, that's why we are on here...but go voice it to the school board.

I’d be nasty to anyone to their face who is advocating to move my kids for some equity agenda.

I’m generally a nice person, but f around with my kids and find out.

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

You do know people don’t live at forestville right? Great falls is very spread out. But forestville to HMS is 5.6 and to Hughes for AAP is 6.2, with travel time about 5 min more to cooper. I’m not arguing that Langley/cooper is closer. But travel time you’re not saving much. What are capacities at HMS/Hughes? Can they take on another Elementary school/group of AAP kids feeding into them?

Cooper will be overcrowded by 2028 with any area moved there, per the FCPS projections. Both Herndon and Hughes are projected to be over 10% under capacity in 2028.

Google Maps shows the current commuting time from Forestville to Herndon to shave 10 minutes off the Forestville to Langley commute. Hard to imagine it would be better during the AM rush, given the number of commuters on Georgetown Pike.

Good news! Cooper has significantly fewer students than projected in the current CIP! How many fewer you ask? I’m glad you asked. 54 fewer, currently at 93% capacity and able to absorb that attendance island no problem

You keep pushing this “solution” in search of a problem. I wonder who at Langley wronged you in the past to cause you to have this weird vendetta.

No one is getting moved to Cooper this year, so it still makes more sense to look at the CIP projections for now. Obviously if the next CIP has lower projections as well to reflect fewer parents than expected sending their kids to Cooper, it's a different analysis looking ahead.

What logic are you employing to say we must look at projections based on last year’s capacity rather than current membership even though the projections one year out were over 5% off?

That seems like cherry picking Sandy Anderson logic to me.

What is your weird obsession with Sandy Anderson about? She's not even your School Board member.

Very odd.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg who cares. All these people on here being so nasty to each other...for what? Amazing what being behind screens will do.
I mean, we all care, that's why we are on here...but go voice it to the school board.

I’d be nasty to anyone to their face who is advocating to move my kids for some equity agenda.

I’m generally a nice person, but f around with my kids and find out.

Classic keyboard warrior talk. But maybe you'll lose your sh*t at some upcoming SB meeting and get arrested. Would be hilarious.

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

So now your argument is about amount of time in high school vs middle school? Do you even hear yourself talk? You’re completely blinded by your weird crusade.

Btw, since we are on the topic, Committee times going through Reston are typically way worse than GTP. Why? It has to do with the amount of lights you go through. 17 by my count for HMS, 3 for cooper.

That’s why your as the crow flies analysis is not at all compelling.

You sound a bit unhinged. Take a deep breath and come up with something coherent next time. The PP indicated the distances to both HMS and HHS are shorter than the distances to CMS and LHS. What are "Committee times"?

Also, Georgetown Pike is a two-lane road where traffic often moves very slowly, if it's moving at all, and the Herndon schools are not in Reston.

Do better.

To get to HMS many of us would have to go right through the heart of Reston. Learn your geography, if you’re going to be smug.

Ps you really can’t figure out the committee autocorrect?

Not credible, but carry on with the brain freezes.

I’m sorry, what isn’t credible? I literally can’t follow your point.

Also, because you apparently couldn’t figure it out: my phone autocorrected commute to committee. See, not so tough.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg who cares. All these people on here being so nasty to each other...for what? Amazing what being behind screens will do.
I mean, we all care, that's why we are on here...but go voice it to the school board.

I’d be nasty to anyone to their face who is advocating to move my kids for some equity agenda.

I’m generally a nice person, but f around with my kids and find out.

Classic keyboard warrior talk. But maybe you'll lose your sh*t at some upcoming SB meeting and get arrested. Would be hilarious.

Reply being a keyboard. How ironic.

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

You do know people don’t live at forestville right? Great falls is very spread out. But forestville to HMS is 5.6 and to Hughes for AAP is 6.2, with travel time about 5 min more to cooper. I’m not arguing that Langley/cooper is closer. But travel time you’re not saving much. What are capacities at HMS/Hughes? Can they take on another Elementary school/group of AAP kids feeding into them?

Cooper will be overcrowded by 2028 with any area moved there, per the FCPS projections. Both Herndon and Hughes are projected to be over 10% under capacity in 2028.

Google Maps shows the current commuting time from Forestville to Herndon to shave 10 minutes off the Forestville to Langley commute. Hard to imagine it would be better during the AM rush, given the number of commuters on Georgetown Pike.

Good news! Cooper has significantly fewer students than projected in the current CIP! How many fewer you ask? I’m glad you asked. 54 fewer, currently at 93% capacity and able to absorb that attendance island no problem

You keep pushing this “solution” in search of a problem. I wonder who at Langley wronged you in the past to cause you to have this weird vendetta.

No one is getting moved to Cooper this year, so it still makes more sense to look at the CIP projections for now. Obviously if the next CIP has lower projections as well to reflect fewer parents than expected sending their kids to Cooper, it's a different analysis looking ahead.

What logic are you employing to say we must look at projections based on last year’s capacity rather than current membership even though the projections one year out were over 5% off?

That seems like cherry picking Sandy Anderson logic to me.

What is your weird obsession with Sandy Anderson about? She's not even your School Board member.

Very odd.

Go back and watch the July board meeting. She snivels at her constituents. She has such a hatred for them and others in the county and it shows.

Seriously, go watch, it’s on YouTube, and we can discuss it more.

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

I really don’t think they’ll move all of Forestville to Herndon. At best, they’ll move those with Herndon and Reston addresses to Herndon and South Lakes to reduce redundant bus routes and put a big sticker on fulfilling their cause.

McLean and Marshall both have immediate neighbors to offload students, whereas the western half of the county can use all the high school seats they can get.

If Langley looses Forestville, it’ll need to pick up another elementary school. And I don’t see that happening until Tysons ES is built someday.

+1. The only way Forestville gets moved is if the board wants to punish certain residents for living in a particular zip code. There is room at Langley for the attendance island

I don’t think they see it as punishment to reassign kids to schools closer to their homes. Reid said these boundary changes will be “transformational” so prepare to be transformed.

What a bizarre thing to say.

When you say closer to home, you mean as the crow flies, not commute time, in which there is a negligible difference between the two schools.

No one buys your BS any longer, and the only thing that’s negligible is the impact it will have on FCPS’s decisions.

Such hatred for your neighbors. I understand you’re grasping at straws, but the commute time argument just isn’t compelling. For instance, at the Glasgow meeting yesterday, multiple tables said that it isn’t just commute time it’s also large roads that divide communities- rte 50 in their instance, 7 in the case of Forestville.

What pyramid are you in and why do you seethe about this and focus do much on moving other people’s kids?

Pretty gross.

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Notice, the PP (and others) will never, ever tell you where their own kids go to school. So transparent.

Oh my gosh, you're like a broken record. Shut up about this already.

DP. Seems relevant. I like when she asks.

Thanks. It is, indeed, relevant. I don't have any opinion whatsoever about where kids *other than my own* go to school. It's the height of arrogance for the PP (and others) to think they have any say at all in where other people's kids go to school - especially when they refuse to divulge their kids' school.

Funny because you never call out the Langley posters who are coming up with all sorts of suggestions about where kids zoned to schools other than Langley should be reassigned. Hypocrite.

When posters who refuse to identify their own school blather on constantly about what they think is "best" for other people's kids, then I really couldn't care less if they are treated exactly the same way. Langley posters aren't hiding what school their kids go to. You are, though. Which makes me dismiss anything you have to say. You don't get a say, sorry.

+1, especially when their logic is based on outright lies, misdirection, and some weird hatred of their neighbors. Pushing for a solution in search of a problem.

This is it, exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg who cares. All these people on here being so nasty to each other...for what? Amazing what being behind screens will do.
I mean, we all care, that's why we are on here...but go voice it to the school board.

I’d be nasty to anyone to their face who is advocating to move my kids for some equity agenda.

I’m generally a nice person, but f around with my kids and find out.

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"Let's move your kids to ___ school, just because. It won't affect MY kids, but it'll make me feel so much better about myself."

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Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

I really don’t think they’ll move all of Forestville to Herndon. At best, they’ll move those with Herndon and Reston addresses to Herndon and South Lakes to reduce redundant bus routes and put a big sticker on fulfilling their cause.

McLean and Marshall both have immediate neighbors to offload students, whereas the western half of the county can use all the high school seats they can get.

If Langley looses Forestville, it’ll need to pick up another elementary school. And I don’t see that happening until Tysons ES is built someday.

+1. The only way Forestville gets moved is if the board wants to punish certain residents for living in a particular zip code. There is room at Langley for the attendance island

I don’t think they see it as punishment to reassign kids to schools closer to their homes. Reid said these boundary changes will be “transformational” so prepare to be transformed.

What a bizarre thing to say.

When you say closer to home, you mean as the crow flies, not commute time, in which there is a negligible difference between the two schools.

No one buys your BS any longer, and the only thing that’s negligible is the impact it will have on FCPS’s decisions.

Such hatred for your neighbors. I understand you’re grasping at straws, but the commute time argument just isn’t compelling. For instance, at the Glasgow meeting yesterday, multiple tables said that it isn’t just commute time it’s also large roads that divide communities- rte 50 in their instance, 7 in the case of Forestville.

What pyramid are you in and why do you seethe about this and focus do much on moving other people’s kids?

Pretty gross.

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Notice, the PP (and others) will never, ever tell you where their own kids go to school. So transparent.

Oh my gosh, you're like a broken record. Shut up about this already.

DP. Seems relevant. I like when she asks.

Thanks. It is, indeed, relevant. I don't have any opinion whatsoever about where kids *other than my own* go to school. It's the height of arrogance for the PP (and others) to think they have any say at all in where other people's kids go to school - especially when they refuse to divulge their kids' school.

Funny because you never call out the Langley posters who are coming up with all sorts of suggestions about where kids zoned to schools other than Langley should be reassigned. Hypocrite.

When posters who refuse to identify their own school blather on constantly about what they think is "best" for other people's kids, then I really couldn't care less if they are treated exactly the same way. Langley posters aren't hiding what school their kids go to. You are, though. Which makes me dismiss anything you have to say. You don't get a say, sorry.

Langley posters have long tried to dismiss the views of anyone not from their school. Screw you.