GT/AAP Appeals
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Anonymous
So first, do you agree most of the kids on the thread made it? Second, where did you get the 'low bar set' part? PS "i wonder how many on average go through the appeal process?" -----> it's on the f'king report. Sigh... |
Anonymous
| I am not the one who said most kids are rejected. control your language. if 90% make it on appeal, it proves that appeal process is not a rigorous exercise. |
Anonymous
Let me type REAL SLOW for you. 1. Any of these undeserving kids who get accepted add to the overcrowding problem; and 2. This year, a lot fewer kids got in. You just don't know it because those who got rejected are staying away. |
Anonymous
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ok I'll do the work for you one last time.
The report says in 2005-06, there were total of 256 appeals. So... simple math... assuming all of the 256 took WISC(although some appeal without it). 256 * $430 = $110,080 So... do you think that's amount of money play any role in the process?? It's worth about two teachers salary for a year for the county. And... 110,080 will be shard by GMU and number of psychologists in Fairfax county. It's very very small portion of the professionals income. Do you think the psychologists will do anything for the parents risking their profession and integrity. I strongly don't believe so. I know fact and logic won't do any good for you... you are free to believe what you choose to. |
Anonymous
Very poor logic. And it seems you didn't read the report or didn't understand it. 90% is those who submitted WISC. Read 10:19's post again for the logic for it. |
Anonymous
If small number of kids get accepted out of all the appeals, they must be really deserving. Like my kid with 140+ WISC. If small number, then it shouldn't really add to the overcrowding problem.
Provide source. Otherwise I'll base my logic on the latest data available. The data shows most kids with WISC get accepted. |
Anonymous
| I agree -- most kids with decent WISC got accepted through appeal process, given what I have heard from my friends. somehow, the WISC is the key to the success!!!!!!!! |
Anonymous
To go even slower: 256 appealed, the report shows that 60% or about 140, submitted additional testing. We do not know how many kids took the WISC and did not apply when there parents saw the results. You do not appeal with scores of 115.... However, I will suspect that the GT process results in about 1000 kids taking the WISC.... That is a self selecting group, not random. Factors leading to taking the WISC are upper 75% on the tests AND low GBRS. so of the 1000, 80% probably scored below 125 (based on distributions). Those will not appeal. of the remaining children will be 125 and above, with 1/2 being between 125 and 132 (based on distributions). As it turns out, 128 seemed to be the magic number on WISC. So of the 1000 kids that took the wisc, presumably 200 submitted the scores through appeal, 150 had scores that were acceptable. Without WISC scores, the committee tries to identify the smart kids using criteria with know / documented issues. If the CogAT or NNAT were sufficient, there would be no GBRS. If the county could afford to give every child a WISC, there would be no GBRS. CogAT+NNAT+GBRS give about a 90% probability of identifying smart kids. However, it probably misidentifies about 20-30% of the kids as smart when they are not. That is the regular process. With WISC, the probability of detection is higher, probably 95%. The false alarm rate drops to about 10%. So, if anything the appeals kids, on average, are smarter. |
Anonymous
Actually the report shows that out of 256 total appeals, 100 appealed with WISC, 156 appealed without WISC. Quiet number of people appealed without WISC. My guess is that many of the scores like 115, appealed anyways without including WISC instead of just giving up. They went that far so at that point, you don't lose anything by appealing. However they don't include the low WISC. Some appealed without taking WISC in the first place due to $ constraint. Also, most of these kids who are taking WISC were already in the pool - Already above average kids. So I think 1000 maybe too high. Somewhere around 500? |
Anonymous
| PP: 1000 or 500 does not change the point... |
Anonymous
Agree on the last point. Seems like the GBRS is so much inflated. The report shows average NNAT for GT is merely 129 while average GBRS is 13. CogAT scores are worse. This seems to me bunch of teachers were being generous giving out GBRS scores to bunch of kids. I suspect some kids who barely got 130+ got in with generous GBRS in the first round. |
Anonymous
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Page 6, table 5. This is good indication of how much GBRS is inflated in general.
Look at the average scores of AAP eligeable kids. NNAT; 129 CogAT: 119, 126, 121. Look at it this way, with these scores, they could've not even made the POOL. Yet, they earned GBRS of 13 and got in. |
Anonymous
| Different topic. For those who got through the appeal - if you are interested in a guided tour of the GT center & can't wait for the "back to school night" in September, you can call the school and they might arrange for a tour if enough parents sign-up - I think it is for this week only. My wife called Hunters Woods and she just did the tour with our DD. |
Anonymous
| Now THAT is some useful information. Thank you for sharing! We are going to call the center now. Many thanks! |
Anonymous
| Love all the BS stats supplied to support the unjust acceptance of kids who were rejected fairly the first time. LOL. |