Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

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Anonymous wrote:CA will go RED going forward. It's just time and necessary. Either that, or just let it go...

Californian here. I’ve thought that for awhile (there is a lot of frustration with Democrats here), but the deep anger here at the Republicans who are attacking people who have lost their homes may have interrupted that process. There is a lot of media coverage of those folks and people here are furious, especially because no California politicians tried to target the victims of hurricanes in a similar way.

What people are doing this though? I've only seen a couple examples.

There has been a few links posted in this thread. And it may only be a few Republicans attacking the victims of the fires but links about what they are saying and doing are flying around here, even from people who don’t like Democrats. The behavior is so extreme and cruel that it’s getting a lot of airplay.

There are also rumors claiming that red state folks were cheering for the fires during moments of silence at football games. Californians may be a lot of things, but there are no stories of them cheering for hurricanes during moments of silence for hurricane victims. I’m not even sure that it’s true that red state football fans were cheering during moments of silence but I’ve now seen the claim made a couple of places so the rumors are flying.

Prior to this, I thought that California would go red, because people are so deeply frustrated with the progressive left, but the anger at Republicans who are victim-blaming (while not victim-blaming hurricane victims) is palpable and I am not so sure now.

I just really resent this type of talk as I am in a red state and don't know a single person feeling remotely happy about fires. I am in a couple very large facebook groups for weather/hurricane info, and people feel absolutely terrible and have compassion and want to help. There is a lot of incentive to polarize and divide rather than look at all the people supporting others.

I live in NC, near Asheville, and just went through the Helene devastation. We actually lost our home. After the storm, for a week or more, there was no decent cell service in our region, and almost no one had wifi wither. At least in our neighborhood, people were so banded together during that time, helping each other all day every day. I think it was that way through much of the region. As soon as cell service was back, all the disinformation and politicization started up, and the level of camaraderie was immediately impacted - the tone immediately changed - at a micro level, on the ground, it went from "we're all in this together" to "did you hear that Trump/Biden/FEMA said _________" and the party was over. It was SO eye opening, and sad, and made it feel really apparent how years ago individuals from different parties could work together toward common goals, and how much now we're inundated and affected by what we hear on our partisan news stations and, worse, social media. On a larger scale, of course people are still helping people here, but at the micro level, there was this moment of utopian community action, and it was dispelled instantly by cell service the moment it came back.

SOCIAL MEDIA IS TOXIC!

People - seriously listen to what PP is saying: social media is being used to DIVIDE YOU.

You are being manipulated.

It’s not social media. It’s the Republican politicians spreading lies that are divisive on purpose.

This!!!!! ^^^

9/11 wasn’t politicized. I hate Bush, but at least he had the decency to not divide our county in a tragedy. If only he, or another semi-sane Republican, been president during COVID, maybe we wouldn’t be here.

Biden was president for most of COVID and was far more divisive than anything that happened under Trump. Mask mandates, vaccine mandates, all unproven, six feet apart wasn't Trump, and that turned out to be based on nothing but one man's opinion not grounded in science. Misinformation/Disinformation censorship of things that turned out to be true. Wasn't Turnip but Biden's admin.

Your point is?

FYI Bush got huge flak for the wars and the failures of the war and Katrina. Are you saying the Dem leadership in California are exempt from criticism for an ongoing failure?

[Anonymous]

London burned in 1666. Chicago burned in 1871. San Francisco burned in 1906. But with all the universities, experts, & money in LA in 2025, they couldn’t figure out not to be added to this list? Maybe their beliefs or methods are flawed, & shouldn’t be funded unless they change?

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Anonymous wrote:CA will go RED going forward. It's just time and necessary. Either that, or just let it go...

Californian here. I’ve thought that for awhile (there is a lot of frustration with Democrats here), but the deep anger here at the Republicans who are attacking people who have lost their homes may have interrupted that process. There is a lot of media coverage of those folks and people here are furious, especially because no California politicians tried to target the victims of hurricanes in a similar way.

What people are doing this though? I've only seen a couple examples.

There has been a few links posted in this thread. And it may only be a few Republicans attacking the victims of the fires but links about what they are saying and doing are flying around here, even from people who don’t like Democrats. The behavior is so extreme and cruel that it’s getting a lot of airplay.

There are also rumors claiming that red state folks were cheering for the fires during moments of silence at football games. Californians may be a lot of things, but there are no stories of them cheering for hurricanes during moments of silence for hurricane victims. I’m not even sure that it’s true that red state football fans were cheering during moments of silence but I’ve now seen the claim made a couple of places so the rumors are flying.

Prior to this, I thought that California would go red, because people are so deeply frustrated with the progressive left, but the anger at Republicans who are victim-blaming (while not victim-blaming hurricane victims) is palpable and I am not so sure now.

I just really resent this type of talk as I am in a red state and don't know a single person feeling remotely happy about fires. I am in a couple very large facebook groups for weather/hurricane info, and people feel absolutely terrible and have compassion and want to help. There is a lot of incentive to polarize and divide rather than look at all the people supporting others.

I live in NC, near Asheville, and just went through the Helene devastation. We actually lost our home. After the storm, for a week or more, there was no decent cell service in our region, and almost no one had wifi wither. At least in our neighborhood, people were so banded together during that time, helping each other all day every day. I think it was that way through much of the region. As soon as cell service was back, all the disinformation and politicization started up, and the level of camaraderie was immediately impacted - the tone immediately changed - at a micro level, on the ground, it went from "we're all in this together" to "did you hear that Trump/Biden/FEMA said _________" and the party was over. It was SO eye opening, and sad, and made it feel really apparent how years ago individuals from different parties could work together toward common goals, and how much now we're inundated and affected by what we hear on our partisan news stations and, worse, social media. On a larger scale, of course people are still helping people here, but at the micro level, there was this moment of utopian community action, and it was dispelled instantly by cell service the moment it came back.

SOCIAL MEDIA IS TOXIC!

People - seriously listen to what PP is saying: social media is being used to DIVIDE YOU.

You are being manipulated.

It’s not social media. It’s the Republican politicians spreading lies that are divisive on purpose.

This!!!!! ^^^

9/11 wasn’t politicized. I hate Bush, but at least he had the decency to not divide our county in a tragedy. If only he, or another semi-sane Republican, been president during COVID, maybe we wouldn’t be here.

Biden was president for most of COVID and was far more divisive than anything that happened under Trump. Mask mandates, vaccine mandates, all unproven, six feet apart wasn't Trump, and that turned out to be based on nothing but one man's opinion not grounded in science. Misinformation/Disinformation censorship of things that turned out to be true. Wasn't Turnip but Biden's admin.

Your point is?

FYI Bush got huge flak for the wars and the failures of the war and Katrina. Are you saying the Dem leadership in California are exempt from criticism for an ongoing failure?

Oh stop. Biden inherited the divisiveness that Trump started.

A war is not a natural disaster, so that point is dumb. Re Katrina, do you understand the difference in criticizing failure and threatening to withhold aid. Did Dems say they wanted conditions on aid going to Louisianans…no!

Stop being willfully obtuse.

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Anonymous wrote:London burned in 1666. Chicago burned in 1871. San Francisco burned in 1906. But with all the universities, experts, & money in LA in 2025, they couldn’t figure out not to be added to this list? Maybe their beliefs or methods are flawed, & shouldn’t be funded unless they change?

No, nobody has figured out how to fight a wildfire with 80-100 mph winds which ground aircraft and turn water to mist. . Same with CAT 5+ hurricanes. You need to evacuate or you will die.

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Anonymous wrote:Call your reps if they're in the GOP. They're talking about having conditions on disaster relief. This ghoulish behavior is a new low.

There have been conditions on disaster relief before. Mississippi River flooding - FEMA required whole towns to move back from the river, etc. It is fine to require changes in exchange for subsidized re-building.

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Anonymous wrote:London burned in 1666. Chicago burned in 1871. San Francisco burned in 1906. But with all the universities, experts, & money in LA in 2025, they couldn’t figure out not to be added to this list? Maybe their beliefs or methods are flawed, & shouldn’t be funded unless they change?

No, nobody has figured out how to fight a wildfire with 80-100 mph winds which ground aircraft and turn water to mist. . Same with CAT 5+ hurricanes. You need to evacuate or you will die.

The issue with that is the many videos emerging of local residents who did save their homes by using a hose/pump/swimming pool to save their homes. So in the face of this, it's very hard to maintain more fire engines and properly working hydrants would have been useless.

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Anonymous wrote:CA will go RED going forward. It's just time and necessary. Either that, or just let it go...

Californian here. I’ve thought that for awhile (there is a lot of frustration with Democrats here), but the deep anger here at the Republicans who are attacking people who have lost their homes may have interrupted that process. There is a lot of media coverage of those folks and people here are furious, especially because no California politicians tried to target the victims of hurricanes in a similar way.

What people are doing this though? I've only seen a couple examples.

There has been a few links posted in this thread. And it may only be a few Republicans attacking the victims of the fires but links about what they are saying and doing are flying around here, even from people who don’t like Democrats. The behavior is so extreme and cruel that it’s getting a lot of airplay.

There are also rumors claiming that red state folks were cheering for the fires during moments of silence at football games. Californians may be a lot of things, but there are no stories of them cheering for hurricanes during moments of silence for hurricane victims. I’m not even sure that it’s true that red state football fans were cheering during moments of silence but I’ve now seen the claim made a couple of places so the rumors are flying.

Prior to this, I thought that California would go red, because people are so deeply frustrated with the progressive left, but the anger at Republicans who are victim-blaming (while not victim-blaming hurricane victims) is palpable and I am not so sure now.

I just really resent this type of talk as I am in a red state and don't know a single person feeling remotely happy about fires. I am in a couple very large facebook groups for weather/hurricane info, and people feel absolutely terrible and have compassion and want to help. There is a lot of incentive to polarize and divide rather than look at all the people supporting others.

I live in NC, near Asheville, and just went through the Helene devastation. We actually lost our home. After the storm, for a week or more, there was no decent cell service in our region, and almost no one had wifi wither. At least in our neighborhood, people were so banded together during that time, helping each other all day every day. I think it was that way through much of the region. As soon as cell service was back, all the disinformation and politicization started up, and the level of camaraderie was immediately impacted - the tone immediately changed - at a micro level, on the ground, it went from "we're all in this together" to "did you hear that Trump/Biden/FEMA said _________" and the party was over. It was SO eye opening, and sad, and made it feel really apparent how years ago individuals from different parties could work together toward common goals, and how much now we're inundated and affected by what we hear on our partisan news stations and, worse, social media. On a larger scale, of course people are still helping people here, but at the micro level, there was this moment of utopian community action, and it was dispelled instantly by cell service the moment it came back.

SOCIAL MEDIA IS TOXIC!

People - seriously listen to what PP is saying: social media is being used to DIVIDE YOU.

You are being manipulated.

It’s not social media. It’s the Republican politicians spreading lies that are divisive on purpose.

This!!!!! ^^^

9/11 wasn’t politicized. I hate Bush, but at least he had the decency to not divide our county in a tragedy. If only he, or another semi-sane Republican, been president during COVID, maybe we wouldn’t be here.

Biden was president for most of COVID and was far more divisive than anything that happened under Trump. Mask mandates, vaccine mandates, all unproven, six feet apart wasn't Trump, and that turned out to be based on nothing but one man's opinion not grounded in science. Misinformation/Disinformation censorship of things that turned out to be true. Wasn't Turnip but Biden's admin.

Your point is?

FYI Bush got huge flak for the wars and the failures of the war and Katrina. Are you saying the Dem leadership in California are exempt from criticism for an ongoing failure?

Also, I’m sure you’re the one who didn’t bat an eye or care to rebuff your Dear Leader when Cornell found he was the biggest driver of misinformation in COVID, responsible for 38%. Trumpsters now are going hard on misinformation again. Rather than helping people on the ground. Shame on you!

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Anonymous wrote:Call your reps if they're in the GOP. They're talking about having conditions on disaster relief. This ghoulish behavior is a new low.

The conditional relief is absolutely appalling and I say that as an independent who has leaned Republican. You want to guarantee I vote/donate blue even if I hate most Democratic politicians? Do something wholly immoral like this. I largely dislike the Democratic Party and yet they have never made made relief conditional to victims of natural disasters.

It is grotesque. I have never seen blue state residents or blue politicians make aid to hurricane victims conditional. That is a red state/Republican value in action.

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It’s amazing how all our major cities are completely dominated by Democrats, yet when something goes wrong, it’s always Trump and the Republicans that are the problem.

The Chicago schools suck. Crime in NYC. Homelessness in San Francisco. A Minneapolis cop kills a guy. Now fire in LA. Not a Republican leader in sight…not city, not state. But somehow the Democrats are always doing everything right & are indignant about changing.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how all our major cities are completely dominated by Democrats, yet when something goes wrong, it’s always Trump and the Republicans that are the problem.

The Chicago schools suck. Crime in NYC. Homelessness in San Francisco. A Minneapolis cop kills a guy. Now fire in LA. Not a Republican leader in sight…not city, not state. But somehow the Democrats are always doing everything right & are indignant about changing.

Yawn. Try harder.

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Anonymous wrote:CA will go RED going forward. It's just time and necessary. Either that, or just let it go...

Californian here. I’ve thought that for awhile (there is a lot of frustration with Democrats here), but the deep anger here at the Republicans who are attacking people who have lost their homes may have interrupted that process. There is a lot of media coverage of those folks and people here are furious, especially because no California politicians tried to target the victims of hurricanes in a similar way.

What people are doing this though? I've only seen a couple examples.

There has been a few links posted in this thread. And it may only be a few Republicans attacking the victims of the fires but links about what they are saying and doing are flying around here, even from people who don’t like Democrats. The behavior is so extreme and cruel that it’s getting a lot of airplay.

There are also rumors claiming that red state folks were cheering for the fires during moments of silence at football games. Californians may be a lot of things, but there are no stories of them cheering for hurricanes during moments of silence for hurricane victims. I’m not even sure that it’s true that red state football fans were cheering during moments of silence but I’ve now seen the claim made a couple of places so the rumors are flying.

Prior to this, I thought that California would go red, because people are so deeply frustrated with the progressive left, but the anger at Republicans who are victim-blaming (while not victim-blaming hurricane victims) is palpable and I am not so sure now.

I just really resent this type of talk as I am in a red state and don't know a single person feeling remotely happy about fires. I am in a couple very large facebook groups for weather/hurricane info, and people feel absolutely terrible and have compassion and want to help. There is a lot of incentive to polarize and divide rather than look at all the people supporting others.

I live in NC, near Asheville, and just went through the Helene devastation. We actually lost our home. After the storm, for a week or more, there was no decent cell service in our region, and almost no one had wifi wither. At least in our neighborhood, people were so banded together during that time, helping each other all day every day. I think it was that way through much of the region. As soon as cell service was back, all the disinformation and politicization started up, and the level of camaraderie was immediately impacted - the tone immediately changed - at a micro level, on the ground, it went from "we're all in this together" to "did you hear that Trump/Biden/FEMA said _________" and the party was over. It was SO eye opening, and sad, and made it feel really apparent how years ago individuals from different parties could work together toward common goals, and how much now we're inundated and affected by what we hear on our partisan news stations and, worse, social media. On a larger scale, of course people are still helping people here, but at the micro level, there was this moment of utopian community action, and it was dispelled instantly by cell service the moment it came back.

SOCIAL MEDIA IS TOXIC!

People - seriously listen to what PP is saying: social media is being used to DIVIDE YOU.

You are being manipulated.

It’s not social media. It’s the Republican politicians spreading lies that are divisive on purpose.

So you're going to just fall for whoever is manipulating you and their lies? You can decide you refuse to get manipulated.

DP. There are multiple bad actors.

Media/news organizations are certainly manipulating a lot of the narratives, motivated by revenue.

Social media provides the platform for unfiltered/unfact checked crap to flood people’s minds.

But Republicans are absolutely spreading lies. They whip up faux “issues” to drive outrage. It’s their entire ethos. They blatantly lie all of the time.

Oh give it a rest. No one is buying your BS anymore.
Election results pretty much are proof of that.
Time for you to crawl back under your rock.

Truth hurts. I guess that’s why Rs so vehemently deny it.

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Anonymous wrote:Call your reps if they're in the GOP. They're talking about having conditions on disaster relief. This ghoulish behavior is a new low.

You're quoting a comedy show via X here though to prove your point. Do you not see how that's an issue?

It’s just like FoxNews. It’s “entertainment”.

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Anonymous wrote:Call your reps if they're in the GOP. They're talking about having conditions on disaster relief. This ghoulish behavior is a new low.

You're quoting a comedy show via X here though to prove your point. Do you not see how that's an issue?

It’s just like FoxNews. It’s “entertainment”.

Right, so why post it as info?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the fire, water, & forestry efforts were underfunded & mismanaged, then the various levels of government are culpable.

If they WEREN’T underfunded or mismanaged, then the various levels of government are inept at employing those adequate resources.

But Newsom & Bass want us to believe nobody did anything wrong & STILL these fires are out of control. Somebody needs to send them one of those “The buck stops here!” signs.

There is a cost for preparedness. They could have made changes that could have mitigated the spread of wildfires with these extreme conditions, but at an extreme cost.

Do you plan for the 50 year flood, the 100 year flood, or the 500 year flood?

It’s about balancing resources while managing risk.

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Anonymous wrote:London burned in 1666. Chicago burned in 1871. San Francisco burned in 1906. But with all the universities, experts, & money in LA in 2025, they couldn’t figure out not to be added to this list? Maybe their beliefs or methods are flawed, & shouldn’t be funded unless they change?

No, nobody has figured out how to fight a wildfire with 80-100 mph winds which ground aircraft and turn water to mist. . Same with CAT 5+ hurricanes. You need to evacuate or you will die.

It would have happened in any state, red or blue, regardless of how resources are managed. It was not preventable under those conditions. To withhold aid to disaster victims shows how low, divided, and petty we have become as a country.