2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

[Anonymous]

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Thank you, to my other lawyer friends who are helping to explain how the law, which has evolved over centuries, based on notions of fairness and common sense (yes! For real!), works here. Hotels, especially a hotel with a reputation like Disney's, cannot invite guests to movie-set looking beaches at night where the hotel knows there are alligators, throw up a "no swimming" sign, look the other way when children are near/in the water every night, and then claim people should know there are probably alligators (flesh eating bacteria, snakes, and other deadly hazards people have mentioned) when someone dies. If this family were at a campground, the Darwinian crazies on here would win, but they weren't. These are not new concepts or just differences of opinion. This is how developed society has decided, through the law, to treat these situations.

1+, Thank you. Can people who are not lawyers stop penning would-be treatises of the law? Offer opinions, yes, but legal opinions? This is 82 pages of ridiculousness.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reasons why don't really matter. Let's say a kid contracted flesh eating bacteria from this pond or toxic waste poisoning. Would Disney be liable for that because he went in the water against warnings not to?

The sign did not say stay awatly from the water. The sign said no swimming. The child was not swimming in the water. He was wading at the edge of the shore. Not swimming.

Here's a link to a parent who's child was wading in the same spot a half hour before Lane Graves was attacked. Looks like an inviting sandy beach that I bet most people walk right at the water's edge or wade in a foot.

http://www.scarymommy.com/boy-attacked-by-alligator-disney-resort/?utm_source=FB

I was at the Grand Floridian for 5 days in May. I walked along the beach, and I was alone. The sand was deserted. Everyone was at the splash area or the pool The water is dark and murky at the shore line if you go just a few inches out. I noticed that it looked rather uninviting. First, there were signs saying "NO SWIMMING" and another talking about a big dropoff. There are beach chairs in the sand, but they ring and face the pool.

5 days there in May, and no one was using the beach or in the lake water.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reasons why don't really matter. Let's say a kid contracted flesh eating bacteria from this pond or toxic waste poisoning. Would Disney be liable for that because he went in the water against warnings not to?

The sign did not say stay awatly from the water. The sign said no swimming. The child was not swimming in the water. He was wading at the edge of the shore. Not swimming.

Here's a link to a parent who's child was wading in the same spot a half hour before Lane Graves was attacked. Looks like an inviting sandy beach that I bet most people walk right at the water's edge or wade in a foot.

http://www.scarymommy.com/boy-attacked-by-alligator-disney-resort/?utm_source=FB

Nope that water looks disgusting. Trash pond.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reasons why don't really matter. Let's say a kid contracted flesh eating bacteria from this pond or toxic waste poisoning. Would Disney be liable for that because he went in the water against warnings not to?

The sign did not say stay awatly from the water. The sign said no swimming. The child was not swimming in the water. He was wading at the edge of the shore. Not swimming.

Here's a link to a parent who's child was wading in the same spot a half hour before Lane Graves was attacked. Looks like an inviting sandy beach that I bet most people walk right at the water's edge or wade in a foot.

http://www.scarymommy.com/boy-attacked-by-alligator-disney-resort/?utm_source=FB

Nope that water looks disgusting. Trash pond.

The first foot of clear water and nice white sand does look inviting to put your feet in, during the day. At night? No way.

However, if I saw a sign that said No swimming, that means stay out of the water. The sand is for playing, not the water.

[Anonymous]

Oh good, the Darwinist crazies / Monday morning quarterbacks are back. I'm glad you're too smart to ever have something like this happen to you. That probably means nothing bad will ever happen to you. Feel better now?

[Anonymous]

I guess they should have other signs too. In front of all the vegetation warning of water moccasins and rattlesnakes. Bats at night?

It is easy to lay blame. It is easy to say "If they'd only posted a sign". Random, senseless events add disorder to a world we try to make well ordered and predictable and therefore presumably more secure. But face it, had there been a sign, chances are better than even the kid would have been right where he was. Not because of neglect, dad would have diligently looked to see if there were a gator there. And it is very very unlikely that he would have seen a gator lurking in that vegetation swimming toward shore at dusk.

[Anonymous]

To all of you people, furiously typing away, with such glee, and sanctimony, just basking in the glow of this poor families tragedy, and your own superiority...


I hope something so horrifically gruesome befalls you, something so horrifically, spectacularly terrible it makes the national news, and you can be treated to this same treatment. We can all pass judgment on you for be such and idiot and falling victim to your own bad choices.

I curse you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reasons why don't really matter. Let's say a kid contracted flesh eating bacteria from this pond or toxic waste poisoning. Would Disney be liable for that because he went in the water against warnings not to?

The sign did not say stay awatly from the water. The sign said no swimming. The child was not swimming in the water. He was wading at the edge of the shore. Not swimming.

Here's a link to a parent who's child was wading in the same spot a half hour before Lane Graves was attacked. Looks like an inviting sandy beach that I bet most people walk right at the water's edge or wade in a foot.

http://www.scarymommy.com/boy-attacked-by-alligator-disney-resort/?utm_source=FB

Nope that water looks disgusting. Trash pond.

The first foot of clear water and nice white sand does look inviting to put your feet in, during the day. At night? No way.

However, if I saw a sign that said No swimming, that means stay out of the water. The sand is for playing, not the water.

Absolutely. It is maddening that so many people are saying "but wading isn't the same as swimming!" BS.
These are people that think the rules don't apply to them--and tragically a 2 year old has paid the price.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess they should have other signs too. In front of all the vegetation warning of water moccasins and rattlesnakes. Bats at night?

It is easy to lay blame. It is easy to say "If they'd only posted a sign". Random, senseless events add disorder to a world we try to make well ordered and predictable and therefore presumably more secure. But face it, had there been a sign, chances are better than even the kid would have been right where he was. Not because of neglect, dad would have diligently looked to see if there were a gator there. And it is very very unlikely that he would have seen a gator lurking in that vegetation swimming toward shore at dusk.

Had there been a sign about gators, people would still have let their small children near the water? You have a poor opinion of the intelligence of rest of the country and a poor opinion of parents' desire to protect their children. I'm sure there still would be boneheads feeding alligators, but at least the parents of small children would have been warned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess they should have other signs too. In front of all the vegetation warning of water moccasins and rattlesnakes. Bats at night?

It is easy to lay blame. It is easy to say "If they'd only posted a sign". Random, senseless events add disorder to a world we try to make well ordered and predictable and therefore presumably more secure. But face it, had there been a sign, chances are better than even the kid would have been right where he was. Not because of neglect, dad would have diligently looked to see if there were a gator there. And it is very very unlikely that he would have seen a gator lurking in that vegetation swimming toward shore at dusk.

Had there been a sign about gators, people would still have let their small children near the water? You have a poor opinion of the intelligence of rest of the country and a poor opinion of parents' desire to protect their children. I'm sure there still would be boneheads feeding alligators, but at least the parents of small children would have been warned.

There WAS a warning.
It said "No Swimming."
It doesn't matter if the "no swimming" is because of potential amoebas or because they are worried about drowning or because of alligators or if it's because Disney is just mean and doesn't want people to enjoy the lake.

It's private property. The owners say "no swimming" and people need to follow the rules. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess they should have other signs too. In front of all the vegetation warning of water moccasins and rattlesnakes. Bats at night?

It is easy to lay blame. It is easy to say "If they'd only posted a sign". Random, senseless events add disorder to a world we try to make well ordered and predictable and therefore presumably more secure. But face it, had there been a sign, chances are better than even the kid would have been right where he was. Not because of neglect, dad would have diligently looked to see if there were a gator there. And it is very very unlikely that he would have seen a gator lurking in that vegetation swimming toward shore at dusk.

Had there been a sign about gators, people would still have let their small children near the water? You have a poor opinion of the intelligence of rest of the country and a poor opinion of parents' desire to protect their children. I'm sure there still would be boneheads feeding alligators, but at least the parents of small children would have been warned.

That's just reality. Go to the beach this weekend. See how many unattended youngsters there are at the water's edge. Or your local pool.

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Anonymous wrote:^ if there's a sign in some Alabama grass saying "don't enter grass" and you do anyway, yes, it's your problem if you get bitten by fire ants. If you assumed it was a sign that was for kicks, or because sometimes the grass is wet and you can fall, that's your problem for making the wrong inference. If the Bourbon River tubing co says "do not jump out in the shallow part of the river" you don't get to decide your own reasons for why that might be, jump out, and then cry foul.

But if there is a sign saying "No Soccer Allowed on Field. Hidden Rocks in the Grass" and you let you kid get run through the grass and they are attacked by fireants, the sign is the problem not the person who is on the grass NOT playing soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To all of you people, furiously typing away, with such glee, and sanctimony, just basking in the glow of this poor families tragedy, and your own superiority...


I hope something so horrifically gruesome befalls you, something so horrifically, spectacularly terrible it makes the national news, and you can be treated to this same treatment. We can all pass judgment on you for be such and idiot and falling victim to your own bad choices.

I curse you.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ if there's a sign in some Alabama grass saying "don't enter grass" and you do anyway, yes, it's your problem if you get bitten by fire ants. If you assumed it was a sign that was for kicks, or because sometimes the grass is wet and you can fall, that's your problem for making the wrong inference. If the Bourbon River tubing co says "do not jump out in the shallow part of the river" you don't get to decide your own reasons for why that might be, jump out, and then cry foul.

But if there is a sign saying "No Soccer Allowed on Field. Hidden Rocks in the Grass" and you let you kid get run through the grass and they are attacked by fireants, the sign is the problem not the person who is on the grass NOT playing soccer.

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[Anonymous]

I don't think the Graves did anything negligent or wrong. But I don't think Disney did either.

Even though we want to, sometimes there really is just no one to blame. Prayers to the family.