FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

I really don’t think they’ll move all of Forestville to Herndon. At best, they’ll move those with Herndon and Reston addresses to Herndon and South Lakes to reduce redundant bus routes and put a big sticker on fulfilling their cause.

McLean and Marshall both have immediate neighbors to offload students, whereas the western half of the county can use all the high school seats they can get.

If Langley looses Forestville, it’ll need to pick up another elementary school. And I don’t see that happening until Tysons ES is built someday.

+1. The only way Forestville gets moved is if the board wants to punish certain residents for living in a particular zip code. There is room at Langley for the attendance island

I don’t think they see it as punishment to reassign kids to schools closer to their homes. Reid said these boundary changes will be “transformational” so prepare to be transformed.

What a bizarre thing to say.

When you say closer to home, you mean as the crow flies, not commute time, in which there is a negligible difference between the two schools.

No one buys your BS any longer, and the only thing that’s negligible is the impact it will have on FCPS’s decisions.

Such hatred for your neighbors. I understand you’re grasping at straws, but the commute time argument just isn’t compelling. For instance, at the Glasgow meeting yesterday, multiple tables said that it isn’t just commute time it’s also large roads that divide communities- rte 50 in their instance, 7 in the case of Forestville.

What pyramid are you in and why do you seethe about this and focus do much on moving other people’s kids?

Pretty gross.

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Notice, the PP (and others) will never, ever tell you where their own kids go to school. So transparent.

Oh my gosh, you're like a broken record. Shut up about this already.

+1. No one owes that shrew any information.

I’m not the shrew you reference, but I will say that it’s a relevant question when people attack her kids’ school.

You don’t owe her anything, but you certainly lose credibility when you don’t answer.

That’s fine. The Langley posters already lost whatever credibility they might have had. All they do is defend their current boundaries and attack other people and schools.

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

I really don’t think they’ll move all of Forestville to Herndon. At best, they’ll move those with Herndon and Reston addresses to Herndon and South Lakes to reduce redundant bus routes and put a big sticker on fulfilling their cause.

McLean and Marshall both have immediate neighbors to offload students, whereas the western half of the county can use all the high school seats they can get.

If Langley looses Forestville, it’ll need to pick up another elementary school. And I don’t see that happening until Tysons ES is built someday.

+1. The only way Forestville gets moved is if the board wants to punish certain residents for living in a particular zip code. There is room at Langley for the attendance island

I don’t think they see it as punishment to reassign kids to schools closer to their homes. Reid said these boundary changes will be “transformational” so prepare to be transformed.

What a bizarre thing to say.

When you say closer to home, you mean as the crow flies, not commute time, in which there is a negligible difference between the two schools.

No one buys your BS any longer, and the only thing that’s negligible is the impact it will have on FCPS’s decisions.

Such hatred for your neighbors. I understand you’re grasping at straws, but the commute time argument just isn’t compelling. For instance, at the Glasgow meeting yesterday, multiple tables said that it isn’t just commute time it’s also large roads that divide communities- rte 50 in their instance, 7 in the case of Forestville.

What pyramid are you in and why do you seethe about this and focus do much on moving other people’s kids?

Pretty gross.

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Notice, the PP (and others) will never, ever tell you where their own kids go to school. So transparent.

Oh my gosh, you're like a broken record. Shut up about this already.

+1. No one owes that shrew any information.

I’m not the shrew you reference, but I will say that it’s a relevant question when people attack her kids’ school.

You don’t owe her anything, but you certainly lose credibility when you don’t answer.

That’s fine. The Langley posters already lost whatever credibility they might have had. All they do is defend their current boundaries and attack other people and schools.

Hi Pot. Meet Kettle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

You do know people don’t live at forestville right? Great falls is very spread out. But forestville to HMS is 5.6 and to Hughes for AAP is 6.2, with travel time about 5 min more to cooper. I’m not arguing that Langley/cooper is closer. But travel time you’re not saving much. What are capacities at HMS/Hughes? Can they take on another Elementary school/group of AAP kids feeding into them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

You do know people don’t live at forestville right? Great falls is very spread out. But forestville to HMS is 5.6 and to Hughes for AAP is 6.2, with travel time about 5 min more to cooper. I’m not arguing that Langley/cooper is closer. But travel time you’re not saving much. What are capacities at HMS/Hughes? Can they take on another Elementary school/group of AAP kids feeding into them?

Cooper will be overcrowded by 2028 with any area moved there, per the FCPS projections. Both Herndon and Hughes are projected to be over 10% under capacity in 2028.

Google Maps shows the current commuting time from Forestville to Herndon to shave 10 minutes off the Forestville to Langley commute. Hard to imagine it would be better during the AM rush, given the number of commuters on Georgetown Pike.

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I heard something about students being grandfathered, who does that apply to?

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Anonymous wrote:I heard something about students being grandfathered, who does that apply to?

Only rising 6th (or 5th where applicable), 8th, and 12th graders are guaranteed. There will be a major push to grandfather all high schoolers, which already has the support of a few school board members.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard something about students being grandfathered, who does that apply to?

Grandfathering refers to students already at a school affected by a boundary change getting to remain at that school.

For at least the past decade, grandfathering has been fairly generous when FCPS changed boundaries, but the policy itself is fairly vague:

"When possible, adjustments under this policy shall be implemented through attrition and phasing. The School Board may approve a grade-by-grade phase-in of adjustments for students beginning with the incoming class at the middle or high school levels, when feasible. The School Board may adopt other phasing plans as appropriate to the individual boundary study. Parents of rising sixth (or fifth) graders,
eighth graders, and twelfth graders affected by a boundary change may, at the discretion of the School Board, be provided the option of having their students remain in the school they attended prior to the change."

They didn't want to be more specific or generous when they revised the policy because they were worried that, if they wanted to make massive boundary changes, they couldn't offer generous grandfathering and still arrange for transportation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I heard something about students being grandfathered, who does that apply to?

Only rising 6th (or 5th where applicable), 8th, and 12th graders are guaranteed. There will be a major push to grandfather all high schoolers, which already has the support of a few school board members.

Read the policy. Even those rising students are not guaranteed to be grandfathered ("at the discretion of the School Board"). If you make big boundary changes and only grandfather rising seniors, you still have to decide whether to provide them with transportation. And, if you provide transportation, you have to run multiple bus runs in the affected neighborhoods, which FCPS may not be equipped to do.

It would be nice if they'd worked through these issues before undertaking this big study with grandiose statements about how it will affect every pyramid and somehow be "transformative." They are just winging it and thinking it's all going to come together later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard something about students being grandfathered, who does that apply to?

Only rising 6th (or 5th where applicable), 8th, and 12th graders are guaranteed. There will be a major push to grandfather all high schoolers, which already has the support of a few school board members.

Read the policy. Even those rising students are not guaranteed to be grandfathered ("at the discretion of the School Board"). If you make big boundary changes and only grandfather rising seniors, you still have to decide whether to provide them with transportation. And, if you provide transportation, you have to run multiple bus runs in the affected neighborhoods, which FCPS may not be equipped to do.

It would be nice if they'd worked through these issues before undertaking this big study with grandiose statements about how it will affect every pyramid and somehow be "transformative." They are just winging it and thinking it's all going to come together later.

How is conducting a study "winging it" the whole point of the study is to make informed decisions. Making the changes without a study would be "winging it"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard something about students being grandfathered, who does that apply to?

Only rising 6th (or 5th where applicable), 8th, and 12th graders are guaranteed. There will be a major push to grandfather all high schoolers, which already has the support of a few school board members.

Read the policy. Even those rising students are not guaranteed to be grandfathered ("at the discretion of the School Board"). If you make big boundary changes and only grandfather rising seniors, you still have to decide whether to provide them with transportation. And, if you provide transportation, you have to run multiple bus runs in the affected neighborhoods, which FCPS may not be equipped to do.

It would be nice if they'd worked through these issues before undertaking this big study with grandiose statements about how it will affect every pyramid and somehow be "transformative." They are just winging it and thinking it's all going to come together later.

How is conducting a study "winging it" the whole point of the study is to make informed decisions. Making the changes without a study would be "winging it"

They ought to be able to make policy decisions about who will be grandfathered and whether they intend to keep the current AAP and AP/IB models before they start a boundary study.

Also, this work would be far better informed if they also had, or were simultaneously updated, the ancient renovation queue that dates back to 2008.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

So now your argument is about amount of time in high school vs middle school? Do you even hear yourself talk? You’re completely blinded by your weird crusade.

Btw, since we are on the topic, Committee times going through Reston are typically way worse than GTP. Why? It has to do with the amount of lights you go through. 17 by my count for HMS, 3 for cooper.

That’s why your as the crow flies analysis is not at all compelling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

You do know people don’t live at forestville right? Great falls is very spread out. But forestville to HMS is 5.6 and to Hughes for AAP is 6.2, with travel time about 5 min more to cooper. I’m not arguing that Langley/cooper is closer. But travel time you’re not saving much. What are capacities at HMS/Hughes? Can they take on another Elementary school/group of AAP kids feeding into them?

Cooper will be overcrowded by 2028 with any area moved there, per the FCPS projections. Both Herndon and Hughes are projected to be over 10% under capacity in 2028.

Google Maps shows the current commuting time from Forestville to Herndon to shave 10 minutes off the Forestville to Langley commute. Hard to imagine it would be better during the AM rush, given the number of commuters on Georgetown Pike.

Good news! Cooper has significantly fewer students than projected in the current CIP! How many fewer you ask? I’m glad you asked. 54 fewer, currently at 93% capacity and able to absorb that attendance island no problem

You keep pushing this “solution” in search of a problem. I wonder who at Langley wronged you in the past to cause you to have this weird vendetta.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So to summarize:

Herndon/Great Falls parents zoned for Langley want to make sure they stay at Langley by filling up Herndon HS with kids from outside of Herndon.

Chantilly HS is overcrowded and can't be expanded but Chantilly HS parents do not want to be moved to any other HS.

Centreville HS is overcrowded and due for a renovation that hasn't begun yet.

Westfield HS is mediocre and no one wants their kids moved there, but the Westfield parents also don't want to add even more kids b/c it is already enormous (and I agree, 2700+ is beyond the size of a reasonable HS).

There are hundreds of extra seats at Langley (2100) and at Herndon HS (2300), but these schools are full to overcrowded: South Lakes (2450), Oakton (2600), Chantilly (3000), Centreville (2400), Westfield (2700).

Questions: Why does Langley have so few students? Is the building incredibly small?

Langley has almost 2200 students, not 2100. The building was recently expanded and has a program capacity of 2338.

It has a huge catchment area because the residential neighborhoods generally have large lots, the population trends older, and many people who do have school-age kids send them to privates.

Given its location in the northeastern corner of the county, it probably should be one of the smallest schools in the county, but it is not. When Jeff Platenberg was the head of facilities, he tried to expand every school coming up for renovation, including Langley. The benefit is that some schools got expanded when construction costs were lower. The downside is that filing up a school like Langley requires redistricting, kids commuting long distances and/or reliance on pupil placements.

They will probably move more of McLean there and then send Forestville to Herndon. That might not be required based simply on capacity, but they also seem committed to reducing commuting times and Forestville is much closer to Herndon than to Langley. Plus, redistricting part of Langley would underscore that every pyramid is being affected.

Much of great falls elementary is further to Langley than forestville. I think they would have to redo boundaries with forestville and great falls if distance is a factor in moving an entire school from a pyramid. Also has anyone looked at middle school capacities and distances? Herndon middle (or Hughes for AAP) is only marginally closer drive time wise than cooper.

High school is four years and middle school, at least for now, is still two in that area. Middle school kids also spend less time at school after hours.

Forestville to HHS is 4 miles and Forestville to LHS is over 10 miles.

Forestville to HMS is 5 miles and Forestville to CMS is over 9 miles.

So now your argument is about amount of time in high school vs middle school? Do you even hear yourself talk? You’re completely blinded by your weird crusade.

Btw, since we are on the topic, Committee times going through Reston are typically way worse than GTP. Why? It has to do with the amount of lights you go through. 17 by my count for HMS, 3 for cooper.

That’s why your as the crow flies analysis is not at all compelling.

You sound a bit unhinged. Take a deep breath and come up with something coherent next time. The PP indicated the distances to both HMS and HHS are shorter than the distances to CMS and LHS. What are "Committee times"?

Also, Georgetown Pike is a two-lane road where traffic often moves very slowly, if it's moving at all, and the Herndon schools are not in Reston.

Do better.