Another gunman, another elementary school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What law would stop killings?

No one?

Background checks, waiting periods, banning high capacity magazines, extremely high sales tax on guns (like cigarettes), liability of manufacturers and owners of guns used in crimes.

Guns will never be gone from the US, but we can greatly increase the process of getting one, limiting what is available, assigning liability and taxing them.

Sounds like you want guns available only to the elites. Why not allow schools to have a highly trained armed guard at the entrance, like I have at my office building? Isn’t the safety of school children as important as my workplace safety?

Keep twisting in pretzels. What a stale and tired narrative. THERE WAS AN ARMED GUARD AT THIS SCHOOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sick reading this

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/26/us/texas-elementary-school-shooting/a-texas-town-grieves-its-lost-children-as-details-of-the-gunmans-rampage-emerge?smid=url-share

From the link :

Parents of students who were trapped inside furiously urged the police to storm the school sooner, according to witness accounts. “They were just angry,” said Derek Sotelo, 26, who heard gunfire from his tire shop nearby and followed it to the school. “We were wondering, ‘What the heck is going on? Are they going in?’ The dads were saying, ‘Give me the vest, I’ll go in there!’”

Up to an hour. They negotiated for up to an hour while kids and teachers bled to death.

What the hell were they negotiating?

More from the Washington post. Every time you think this incident cannot become more horrific in the levels of human awfulness and callousness, or does:

“ The new details of how 18-year-old Salvador Ramos was able to kill 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Tex., on Tuesday, together with cellphone videos and witness accounts of police outside tackling or handcuffing desperate parents who tried to rush into the building, called into question earlier claims by Gov. Greg Abbott (R) that a “quick response” by law enforcement had saved lives.

Again, shouldn’t “standing down” be illegal?

Shouldn’t buying the gun have been illegal? Shouldn’t the police have actually shown up? Shouldnt the armed guard the school paid for been “available”? Should, in the absence of all of this, the desperate parents been allowed to try to do something in the face of the cowards claiming to be police? Shouldn’t Republican lawmakers stop crowing about arming teachers, as if that is a solution, so they can shoot first, miss, and then hug the children as they all bleed out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What law would stop killings?

No one?

Background checks, waiting periods, banning high capacity magazines, extremely high sales tax on guns (like cigarettes), liability of manufacturers and owners of guns used in crimes.

Guns will never be gone from the US, but we can greatly increase the process of getting one, limiting what is available, assigning liability and taxing them.

Sounds like you want guns available only to the elites. Why not allow schools to have a highly trained armed guard at the entrance, like I have at my office building? Isn’t the safety of school children as important as my workplace safety?

Keep twisting in pretzels. What a stale and tired narrative. THERE WAS AN ARMED GUARD AT THIS SCHOOL.

Let’s repeat:

One HIGHLY trained armed officer at ONE entrance to the school.

Sounds to me like most of those local cops were “standing down”. Yet no one here seems to have the guts to say that should be illegal. Why?

[Anonymous]

Here's to lady upthread who chewed me out because I said we walk and chew gum at the same time, i.e. call for an assault rifle ban and criticize the police response.

Well, guess what according to a new timeline the shooter "FIRED OUTSIDE FOR 12 MINUTES BFORE ENTERING..."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161


"In his comments, Escalon said that the suspect, Salvador Ramos, shot his grandmother and then wrecked his truck in a ditch outside the school at 11:28 a.m. He exited the truck with a rifle and shot at two people across the street, Escalon said. He then approached the school and shot at the building multiple times and walked in through an apparently unlocked door at 11:40 a.m., according to Escalon."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-thursday/index.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only upside is this and Buffalo should hopefully put an end to that “good guy with a gun” bull$hit.

What exactly are you talking about?

“The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

Both Buffalo and this school had “good guys with guns” and they did not stop the bad guy with the gun. So I don’t want to hear that anymore as a retort to calls for gun control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My office building has an armed guard at the entrance.

Why doesn’t my kid’s school have an armed guard at the entrance?

The school had an armed guard/resource officer and it did not do any good. If anything, it could have aggravated the situation.

It’s probably been said I haven’t read every response, but the press conference today revealed that there was not an armed school resource officer at the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What law would stop killings?

No one?

Background checks, waiting periods, banning high capacity magazines, extremely high sales tax on guns (like cigarettes), liability of manufacturers and owners of guns used in crimes.

Guns will never be gone from the US, but we can greatly increase the process of getting one, limiting what is available, assigning liability and taxing them.

Sounds like you want guns available only to the elites. Why not allow schools to have a highly trained armed guard at the entrance, like I have at my office building? Isn’t the safety of school children as important as my workplace safety?

Keep twisting in pretzels. What a stale and tired narrative. THERE WAS AN ARMED GUARD AT THIS SCHOOL.

Let’s repeat:

One HIGHLY trained armed officer at ONE entrance to the school.

Sounds to me like most of those local cops were “standing down”. Yet no one here seems to have the guts to say that should be illegal. Why?

Oh agree. Failure to engage an active shooter when in an armed security position should not only be grounds for immediate dismissal and loss of benefits but also hold criminal liability.

[Anonymous]

11-Year-Old Survivor of Uvalde Massacre Put Blood on Herself and Played Dead, Aunt Says

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/11-year-old-survivor-of-uvalde-massacre-put-blood-on-herself-played-dead-aunt/2978865/

God f***ing help us

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only upside is this and Buffalo should hopefully put an end to that “good guy with a gun” bull$hit.

What exactly are you talking about?

“The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

Both Buffalo and this school had “good guys with guns” and they did not stop the bad guy with the gun. So I don’t want to hear that anymore as a retort to calls for gun control.

What might happen if we had more good guys with guns?

Question:
Why do you think these raging boys target schools?

Answer:
They know it’s a “gun free zone”.

They ain’t dumb. They want to finally do something big that EVERYONE will notice and remember. High time to get effective help for struggling teens, especially if they’re from broken homes like most killers are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:11-Year-Old Survivor of Uvalde Massacre Put Blood on Herself and Played Dead, Aunt Says

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/11-year-old-survivor-of-uvalde-massacre-put-blood-on-herself-played-dead-aunt/2978865/

God f***ing help us

What a clever girl. Poor thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only upside is this and Buffalo should hopefully put an end to that “good guy with a gun” bull$hit.

What exactly are you talking about?

“The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

Both Buffalo and this school had “good guys with guns” and they did not stop the bad guy with the gun. So I don’t want to hear that anymore as a retort to calls for gun control.

What might happen if we had more good guys with guns?

Question:
Why do you think these raging boys target schools?

Answer:
They know it’s a “gun free zone”.

They ain’t dumb. They want to finally do something big that EVERYONE will notice and remember. High time to get effective help for struggling teens, especially if they’re from broken homes like most killers are.

It wasn’t a gun free zone, idiot. The teachers could carry and the security guard was armed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What law would stop killings?

No one?

Background checks, waiting periods, banning high capacity magazines, extremely high sales tax on guns (like cigarettes), liability of manufacturers and owners of guns used in crimes.

Guns will never be gone from the US, but we can greatly increase the process of getting one, limiting what is available, assigning liability and taxing them.

Sounds like you want guns available only to the elites. Why not allow schools to have a highly trained armed guard at the entrance, like I have at my office building? Isn’t the safety of school children as important as my workplace safety?

How do background checks, waiting periods, bans on assault rifles, and liability of gun manufacturers make guns available only to elites?

I’ll add to the list, minimum age 25 to purchase and an evaluation from a psychiatrist.

This is common sense. Other countries with strong gun control don’t need armed guards at schools because there aren’t guns.

Oh, and do you not realize how completely f***ed up it is to have armed guards at your office building? On what planet is that reasonable?

God freaking help us if there are people like PP who think the solution is to place armed security at every workplace and school. We may as well live in Sudan if it gets to that point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My office building has an armed guard at the entrance.

Why doesn’t my kid’s school have an armed guard at the entrance?

The school had an armed guard/resource officer and it did not do any good. If anything, it could have aggravated the situation.

It’s probably been said I haven’t read every response, but the press conference today revealed that there was not an armed school resource officer at the school.

Thank you. If my office building can have a highly trained armed guard at the entrance to protect me, so should every public school have one to protect our children. Basic common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What law would stop killings?

No one?

Background checks, waiting periods, banning high capacity magazines, extremely high sales tax on guns (like cigarettes), liability of manufacturers and owners of guns used in crimes.

Guns will never be gone from the US, but we can greatly increase the process of getting one, limiting what is available, assigning liability and taxing them.

Sounds like you want guns available only to the elites. Why not allow schools to have a highly trained armed guard at the entrance, like I have at my office building? Isn’t the safety of school children as important as my workplace safety?

How do you know the guard at your office is highly trained? A lot of security guards are failed police officers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What law would stop killings?

No one?

Background checks, waiting periods, banning high capacity magazines, extremely high sales tax on guns (like cigarettes), liability of manufacturers and owners of guns used in crimes.

Guns will never be gone from the US, but we can greatly increase the process of getting one, limiting what is available, assigning liability and taxing them.

Sounds like you want guns available only to the elites. Why not allow schools to have a highly trained armed guard at the entrance, like I have at my office building? Isn’t the safety of school children as important as my workplace safety?

How do background checks, waiting periods, bans on assault rifles, and liability of gun manufacturers make guns available only to elites?

I’ll add to the list, minimum age 25 to purchase and an evaluation from a psychiatrist.

This is common sense. Other countries with strong gun control don’t need armed guards at schools because there aren’t guns.

Oh, and do you not realize how completely f***ed up it is to have armed guards at your office building? On what planet is that reasonable?

God freaking help us if there are people like PP who think the solution is to place armed security at every workplace and school. We may as well live in Sudan if it gets to that point.

Yeah I was just going to say that PP’s fantasy sounds an awful lot like my time in Kenya…..