New OPM memo on RTO

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, I’m happy because the pickleball courts will now be open during the workday. Can’t count the number of “remote workers” I play with regularly in Arlington.

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I just moved from Hawaii to DMV and the amount of Fed teleworking employees I'd see surfing everyday at 1000 was absurd. And before anyone says it, I knew they were feds because I worked in the same place as them.

Everyone knows there were tons of people abusing the system.

Maxi-flex is a thing, maybe they worked from 6-10 and 4-8. Still 8 hours but explains their midday activity. Either way, you don’t have facts. You just have opinions.

Don't defend them. No one should be surfing or playing pickleball at 1000 if they're a fed employee on telework.

Feds doing things like playing pickleball or surfing during the workday is why telework got taken away. I'm a career fed and I was more than a little annoyed at what my coworkers would tell me they do during the workday.

Honestly, how is this any different than using the office gym or taking a walk at lunch? Do you not realize Hawaii staff often work different hours to align better with EDT deadlines?

I worked in Hawaii. Of course I know how the time aligns.

The fact is everyone signed a document that they would be available during core hours. They weren't because they were surfing. So defend it all you want but personally when you sign a form saying you'll be available because you are teleworking and you aren't then you aren't abiding by the agreement. Behavior like this is why it got taken away.

By surfing do you mean the web? There are no surfing beaches in the DMV. You crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, I’m happy because the pickleball courts will now be open during the workday. Can’t count the number of “remote workers” I play with regularly in Arlington.

+1

I just moved from Hawaii to DMV and the amount of Fed teleworking employees I'd see surfing everyday at 1000 was absurd. And before anyone says it, I knew they were feds because I worked in the same place as them.

Everyone knows there were tons of people abusing the system.

Maxi-flex is a thing, maybe they worked from 6-10 and 4-8. Still 8 hours but explains their midday activity. Either way, you don’t have facts. You just have opinions.

Don't defend them. No one should be surfing or playing pickleball at 1000 if they're a fed employee on telework.

Feds doing things like playing pickleball or surfing during the workday is why telework got taken away. I'm a career fed and I was more than a little annoyed at what my coworkers would tell me they do during the workday.

Honestly, how is this any different than using the office gym or taking a walk at lunch? Do you not realize Hawaii staff often work different hours to align better with EDT deadlines?

I worked in Hawaii. Of course I know how the time aligns.

The fact is everyone signed a document that they would be available during core hours. They weren't because they were surfing. So defend it all you want but personally when you sign a form saying you'll be available because you are teleworking and you aren't then you aren't abiding by the agreement. Behavior like this is why it got taken away.

Some agencies don’t have core hours anymore- mine is one of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, I’m happy because the pickleball courts will now be open during the workday. Can’t count the number of “remote workers” I play with regularly in Arlington.

+1

I just moved from Hawaii to DMV and the amount of Fed teleworking employees I'd see surfing everyday at 1000 was absurd. And before anyone says it, I knew they were feds because I worked in the same place as them.

Everyone knows there were tons of people abusing the system.

Maxi-flex is a thing, maybe they worked from 6-10 and 4-8. Still 8 hours but explains their midday activity. Either way, you don’t have facts. You just have opinions.

Don't defend them. No one should be surfing or playing pickleball at 1000 if they're a fed employee on telework.

Feds doing things like playing pickleball or surfing during the workday is why telework got taken away. I'm a career fed and I was more than a little annoyed at what my coworkers would tell me they do during the workday.

Honestly, how is this any different than using the office gym or taking a walk at lunch? Do you not realize Hawaii staff often work different hours to align better with EDT deadlines?

I worked in Hawaii. Of course I know how the time aligns.

The fact is everyone signed a document that they would be available during core hours. They weren't because they were surfing. So defend it all you want but personally when you sign a form saying you'll be available because you are teleworking and you aren't then you aren't abiding by the agreement. Behavior like this is why it got taken away.

By surfing do you mean the web? There are no surfing beaches in the DMV. You crazy.

A lot of agencies in the DOD also have a wellness benefit. For our office it’s 3 hours a week. We can’t take it at the beginning or end of the day but we can mid day. We are also allowed to pair it with our lunch breaks. If I lived in Hawaii I would totally go surfing for 1.5 hours and it would all be within policy! The previous poster is digging in her heels and making assumptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, I’m happy because the pickleball courts will now be open during the workday. Can’t count the number of “remote workers” I play with regularly in Arlington.

+1

I just moved from Hawaii to DMV and the amount of Fed teleworking employees I'd see surfing everyday at 1000 was absurd. And before anyone says it, I knew they were feds because I worked in the same place as them.

Everyone knows there were tons of people abusing the system.

Maxi-flex is a thing, maybe they worked from 6-10 and 4-8. Still 8 hours but explains their midday activity. Either way, you don’t have facts. You just have opinions.

Don't defend them. No one should be surfing or playing pickleball at 1000 if they're a fed employee on telework.

Feds doing things like playing pickleball or surfing during the workday is why telework got taken away. I'm a career fed and I was more than a little annoyed at what my coworkers would tell me they do during the workday.

Honestly, how is this any different than using the office gym or taking a walk at lunch? Do you not realize Hawaii staff often work different hours to align better with EDT deadlines?

I worked in Hawaii. Of course I know how the time aligns.

The fact is everyone signed a document that they would be available during core hours. They weren't because they were surfing. So defend it all you want but personally when you sign a form saying you'll be available because you are teleworking and you aren't then you aren't abiding by the agreement. Behavior like this is why it got taken away.

This didn’t happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need to defend fed behavior that was fake and did not happen.

Beyond that, yes, it should be easier to fire feds if they're bad at their jobs. This is not going to accomplish that.

You don't believe that a lot of feds are out there playing pickleball or surfing during their working hours?

Not at my agency, we don't have a lot of old people. Lots do crossfit at 5 am.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not the PP, but I personally work with Feds who do play Pickleball and do other workout stuff during telework.

I worked with people in the office who used to regularly take 60-90 minutes to go to the gym or go for a run during “lunch.” This isn’t a telework issue.

I would also occasionally run an errand or, you know, go out to lunch during lunch, or go for a walk on a nice day when I worked in the office. Being chained to your computer is not a TW requirement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to defend fed behavior that was fake and did not happen.

Beyond that, yes, it should be easier to fire feds if they're bad at their jobs. This is not going to accomplish that.

[b]You don't believe that a lot of feds are out there playing pickleball or surfing during their working hours?[/b]

Not at my agency, we don't have a lot of old people. Lots do crossfit at 5 am.

Y'all need to let this go and stop trying to pretend like the remote work crack down is because people are playing pickleball or surfing or picking their noses during their work hours. The crackdown is about getting people to quit. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, I’m happy because the pickleball courts will now be open during the workday. Can’t count the number of “remote workers” I play with regularly in Arlington.

+1

I just moved from Hawaii to DMV and the amount of Fed teleworking employees I'd see surfing everyday at 1000 was absurd. And before anyone says it, I knew they were feds because I worked in the same place as them.

Everyone knows there were tons of people abusing the system.

Maxi-flex is a thing, maybe they worked from 6-10 and 4-8. Still 8 hours but explains their midday activity. Either way, you don’t have facts. You just have opinions.

Don't defend them. No one should be surfing or playing pickleball at 1000 if they're a fed employee on telework.

Feds doing things like playing pickleball or surfing during the workday is why telework got taken away. I'm a career fed and I was more than a little annoyed at what my coworkers would tell me they do during the workday.

So they can’t surf of Friday if they completed 40 hours M-T and have F off because it is your work day? Are you ok with people golfing on a Monday like our President? Do you think the solution is dissolution of Maxi-flex and AWS to foreclose any perception of impropriety? If my coworkers are holding their weight and actually working their agreed upon hours per day, I don’t care what they do in their legitimate off time or break time. Telework was taken as another tool in the playbook of division and chaos but ok.

Don't defend bad behavior.

We all sign something saying we will be online during telework during core hours. Going and surfing or playing pickleball during those hours is violating that agreement. I've been a fed for almost 20 years and have NEVER seen an telework agreement that said you can work whatever hours you want whenever you want.

Change agencies because Maxi-flex does just that. Get your 80 hours in any combination as long as you don’t exceed 12 hrs/day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to defend fed behavior that was fake and did not happen.

Beyond that, yes, it should be easier to fire feds if they're bad at their jobs. This is not going to accomplish that.

[b]You don't believe that a lot of feds are out there playing pickleball or surfing during their working hours?[/b]

Not at my agency, we don't have a lot of old people. Lots do crossfit at 5 am.

Y'all need to let this go and stop trying to pretend like the remote work crack down is because people are playing pickleball or surfing or picking their noses during their work hours. The crackdown is about getting people to quit. Period.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to defend fed behavior that was fake and did not happen.

Beyond that, yes, it should be easier to fire feds if they're bad at their jobs. This is not going to accomplish that.

[b]You don't believe that a lot of feds are out there playing pickleball or surfing during their working hours?[/b]

Not at my agency, we don't have a lot of old people. Lots do crossfit at 5 am.

Y'all need to let this go and stop trying to pretend like the remote work crack down is because people are playing pickleball or surfing or picking their noses during their work hours. The crackdown is about getting people to quit. Period.

This.

+1000
Elon musk has admitted that he used a similar tactic when he took over twitter to thin the staff and save money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to defend fed behavior that was fake and did not happen.

Beyond that, yes, it should be easier to fire feds if they're bad at their jobs. This is not going to accomplish that.

[b]You don't believe that a lot of feds are out there playing pickleball or surfing during their working hours?[/b]

Not at my agency, we don't have a lot of old people. Lots do crossfit at 5 am.

Y'all need to let this go and stop trying to pretend like the remote work crack down is because people are playing pickleball or surfing or picking their noses during their work hours. The crackdown is about getting people to quit. Period.

I get that, but getting people to quit is not going to save that much money. It's about destroying the government, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, I’m happy because the pickleball courts will now be open during the workday. Can’t count the number of “remote workers” I play with regularly in Arlington.

+1

I just moved from Hawaii to DMV and the amount of Fed teleworking employees I'd see surfing everyday at 1000 was absurd. And before anyone says it, I knew they were feds because I worked in the same place as them.

Everyone knows there were tons of people abusing the system.

Maxi-flex is a thing, maybe they worked from 6-10 and 4-8. Still 8 hours but explains their midday activity. Either way, you don’t have facts. You just have opinions.

Don't defend them. No one should be surfing or playing pickleball at 1000 if they're a fed employee on telework.

Feds doing things like playing pickleball or surfing during the workday is why telework got taken away. I'm a career fed and I was more than a little annoyed at what my coworkers would tell me they do during the workday.

So they can’t surf of Friday if they completed 40 hours M-T and have F off because it is your work day? Are you ok with people golfing on a Monday like our President? Do you think the solution is dissolution of Maxi-flex and AWS to foreclose any perception of impropriety? If my coworkers are holding their weight and actually working their agreed upon hours per day, I don’t care what they do in their legitimate off time or break time. Telework was taken as another tool in the playbook of division and chaos but ok.

Don't defend bad behavior.

We all sign something saying we will be online during telework during core hours. Going and surfing or playing pickleball during those hours is violating that agreement. I've been a fed for almost 20 years and have NEVER seen an telework agreement that said you can work whatever hours you want whenever you want.

There's no way you know how every Fed office functions. In my office, core hours are a 3 hour block and they don't care when you finish the rest. Before you say well obviously people aren't finishing the rest, output is closely monitored. If your output isn't meeting standards, then your telework agreement would be revoked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to defend fed behavior that was fake and did not happen.

Beyond that, yes, it should be easier to fire feds if they're bad at their jobs. This is not going to accomplish that.

[b]You don't believe that a lot of feds are out there playing pickleball or surfing during their working hours?[/b]

Not at my agency, we don't have a lot of old people. Lots do crossfit at 5 am.

Y'all need to let this go and stop trying to pretend like the remote work crack down is because people are playing pickleball or surfing or picking their noses during their work hours. The crackdown is about getting people to quit. Period.

I get that, but getting people to quit is not going to save that much money. It's about destroying the government, right?

It’s about creating the appearance of saved money to justify a tax cut for billionaires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not the PP, but I personally work with Feds who do play Pickleball and do other workout stuff during telework.

I worked with people in the office who used to regularly take 60-90 minutes to go to the gym or go for a run during “lunch.” This isn’t a telework issue.

I would also occasionally run an errand or, you know, go out to lunch during lunch, or go for a walk on a nice day when I worked in the office. Being chained to your computer is not a TW requirement.

Mostly DOD feds I know are the ones exercising during the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not the PP, but I personally work with Feds who do play Pickleball and do other workout stuff during telework.

I worked with people in the office who used to regularly take 60-90 minutes to go to the gym or go for a run during “lunch.” This isn’t a telework issue.

I would also occasionally run an errand or, you know, go out to lunch during lunch, or go for a walk on a nice day when I worked in the office. Being chained to your computer is not a TW requirement.

Mostly DOD feds I know are the ones exercising during the day.

Prove it