3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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Anonymous wrote:Any word on when the manifesto is going to be made public?

Other than satisfying everyone's general curiosity, what difference do you feel releasing it will make? In other words, what are you expecting to find in it and what do you think will happen when that information is made public? Just trying to understand...

Motivation. If the manifesto indicates motivation, it can be window into what set this person off. It could be helpful in preventing future nutcases from acting on their desires.

What would be helpful is not allowing the nutcases to go easily and legally buy assault rifles and pistols for starters.

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The manifesto isn’t going to clear anything up. It’s a crazy person’s rant; those don’t supply any answers, not really.

Start taking the guns away from, and preventing their purchase by, people with violent tendencies.

If it was because of mistreatment of her as a student there, the manifesto would have been out that afternoon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any word on when the manifesto is going to be made public?

Other than satisfying everyone's general curiosity, what difference do you feel releasing it will make? In other words, what are you expecting to find in it and what do you think will happen when that information is made public? Just trying to understand...

Motivation. If the manifesto indicates motivation, it can be window into what set this person off. It could be helpful in preventing future nutcases from acting on their desires.

What would be helpful is not allowing the nutcases to go easily and legally buy assault rifles and pistols for starters.

+1

The manifesto isn’t going to clear anything up. It’s a crazy person’s rant; those don’t supply any answers, not really.

Start taking the guns away from, and preventing their purchase by, people with violent tendencies.

If it was because of mistreatment of her as a student there, the manifesto would have been out that afternoon.

Once again the next shooter will have a completely different reason. Maybe she was targeting Christians. Maybe not. The Buffalo shooter was a racist conservative and targeted Black people. The Congressional baseball game shooter was angry at Republicans.

And again, I promise with all my heart, the next mass shooter (and we know there will be right?) won't be the same reason as the Nashville shooter.

Shrug.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any word on when the manifesto is going to be made public?

Other than satisfying everyone's general curiosity, what difference do you feel releasing it will make? In other words, what are you expecting to find in it and what do you think will happen when that information is made public? Just trying to understand...

Motivation. If the manifesto indicates motivation, it can be window into what set this person off. It could be helpful in preventing future nutcases from acting on their desires.

What would be helpful is not allowing the nutcases to go easily and legally buy assault rifles and pistols for starters.

+1

The manifesto isn’t going to clear anything up. It’s a crazy person’s rant; those don’t supply any answers, not really.

Start taking the guns away from, and preventing their purchase by, people with violent tendencies.

If it was because of mistreatment of her as a student there, the manifesto would have been out that afternoon.

In TN? I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any word on when the manifesto is going to be made public?

Other than satisfying everyone's general curiosity, what difference do you feel releasing it will make? In other words, what are you expecting to find in it and what do you think will happen when that information is made public? Just trying to understand...

Motivation. If the manifesto indicates motivation, it can be window into what set this person off. It could be helpful in preventing future nutcases from acting on their desires.

I'm not so sure we can fully cure mental health illness. it would require the I'll person to want help and then another the trouble of getting help. I sadly know too many people that need help but they dont think they do or dont think it will help. in a few cases, the person actually wants to feel the way they do.

I would say in most cases they do because they think they are in the right even if crazy

[Anonymous]

So here we are, 85 pages in, and still nothing meaningful from Republicans to help curb these mass shootings.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here we are, 85 pages in, and still nothing meaningful from Republicans to help curb these mass shootings.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

status quo though

for republicans money is more important than people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here we are, 85 pages in, and still nothing meaningful from Republicans to help curb these mass shootings.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Here is something meaningful. Mass shootings are not the problem. The real problem is shootings. The solution to the real problem is to prosecute the criminals. The carjackers, the shoplifters, those found in possession of illegal firearms. Those who use guns in the commission of a crime. Put them in jail. Prosecute them as adults even if they are teens.

(I would also be in favor of better efforts to keep guns away from the mentally ill but when I am in one of our nation’s cities I tend to worry more about there lax on criminal legal systems then the poor system for blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here we are, 85 pages in, and still nothing meaningful from Republicans to help curb these mass shootings.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Here is something meaningful. Mass shootings are not the problem. The real problem is shootings. The solution to the real problem is to prosecute the criminals. The carjackers, the shoplifters, those found in possession of illegal firearms. Those who use guns in the commission of a crime. Put them in jail. Prosecute them as adults even if they are teens.

(I would also be in favor of better efforts to keep guns away from the mentally ill but when I am in one of our nation’s cities I tend to worry more about there lax on criminal legal systems then the poor system for blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.)

You’re just so insane and dishonest there’s no point in addressing anything you write or think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here we are, 85 pages in, and still nothing meaningful from Republicans to help curb these mass shootings.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Here is something meaningful. Mass shootings are not the problem. The real problem is shootings. The solution to the real problem is to prosecute the criminals. The carjackers, the shoplifters, those found in possession of illegal firearms. Those who use guns in the commission of a crime. Put them in jail. Prosecute them as adults even if they are teens.

(I would also be in favor of better efforts to keep guns away from the mentally ill but when I am in one of our nation’s cities I tend to worry more about there lax on criminal legal systems then the poor system for blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.)

Yes, shootings are a problem in the US. Let's make sure they don't get into the hands of criminals and mentally ill. Close the gun show loophole, background checks for buyers. Make firearm safety training mandatory. Get rid of guns and ammunition that can pulverize 10 children's skulls in a handful of seconds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here we are, 85 pages in, and still nothing meaningful from Republicans to help curb these mass shootings.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Here is something meaningful. Mass shootings are not the problem. The real problem is shootings. The solution to the real problem is to prosecute the criminals. The carjackers, the shoplifters, those found in possession of illegal firearms. Those who use guns in the commission of a crime. Put them in jail. Prosecute them as adults even if they are teens.

(I would also be in favor of better efforts to keep guns away from the mentally ill but when I am in one of our nation’s cities I tend to worry more about there lax on criminal legal systems then the poor system for blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.)

You’re just so insane and dishonest there’s no point in addressing anything you write or think.

DP.
You don't like the suggestions. PP is right. Law abiding gun owners are not the problem. Criminals are. The triggers don't pull themselves.
As long as prosecutors choose not to prosecute firearms laws, we are going to get more of it. Caught with a gun in the commission of a crime? Mandatory prison time. Caught with an illegal firearm? Mandatory crime. Stop reducing the charges to misdemeanors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here we are, 85 pages in, and still nothing meaningful from Republicans to help curb these mass shootings.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Here is something meaningful. Mass shootings are not the problem. The real problem is shootings. The solution to the real problem is to prosecute the criminals. The carjackers, the shoplifters, those found in possession of illegal firearms. Those who use guns in the commission of a crime. Put them in jail. Prosecute them as adults even if they are teens.

(I would also be in favor of better efforts to keep guns away from the mentally ill but when I am in one of our nation’s cities I tend to worry more about there lax on criminal legal systems then the poor system for blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.)

You’re just so insane and dishonest there’s no point in addressing anything you write or think.

DP.
You don't like the suggestions. PP is right. Law abiding gun owners are not the problem. Criminals are. The triggers don't pull themselves.
As long as prosecutors choose not to prosecute firearms laws, we are going to get more of it. Caught with a gun in the commission of a crime? Mandatory prison time. Caught with an illegal firearm? Mandatory crime. Stop reducing the charges to misdemeanors.

So there are two, two, two! NRA loving whores on this thread. Great work, boys.

Please cite with specificity and proof that prosecutors are soft on gun crimes. Please do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here we are, 85 pages in, and still nothing meaningful from Republicans to help curb these mass shootings.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Here is something meaningful. Mass shootings are not the problem. The real problem is shootings. The solution to the real problem is to prosecute the criminals. The carjackers, the shoplifters, those found in possession of illegal firearms. Those who use guns in the commission of a crime. Put them in jail. Prosecute them as adults even if they are teens.

(I would also be in favor of better efforts to keep guns away from the mentally ill but when I am in one of our nation’s cities I tend to worry more about there lax on criminal legal systems then the poor system for blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.)

Well, here's the problem. We can't put this shooter in jail because he's dead. So he had one shot, pun intended. He bought 7 guns legally, and then committed this crime. So how can you say that the solution is to prosecute these criminals? They aren't criminals until the moment they commit the crime - and usually die in the process. That seems to be the very common pattern. Blaze of glory style crimes, with AR-15s or whatever he used readily available to him. Granted, it he survived, he wouldn't be able to buy those guns, but a tad too little too late, don't you think? There's a massive gun problem in general, and then we have mass shootings. Mass shooters tend to have legally possessed firearms and die that day. Unless you curb the tide of assault weapons, you can't do anything about what happened in Nashville. And so many others.

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Anonymous wrote:Gov Lee has come forth with a strong proposal to supply funding to private schools for guards.

Guards make $90/hr. I guess we can tax the rich to get the money?

There is no guarantee that LEOs/guards who provide security to schools will engage with shooters.

Two LEOs on scene during the Parkland massacre did ZIP ZERO NADA to protect the students. Scot Peterson "refused to investigate the source of gunshots, retreated during the active shooting while victims were being shot and directed other law enforcement who arrived on scene to remain 500 feet away from the building." Sgt Brian Miller "hid in his car" while the shooting was going on. (He was fired for neglect of duty and later reinstated with back pay. He made $137,000 in 2018.) And we all know how cowardly the Uvalde LEOs who responded to the shooting were.

When the shooters are armed better than the LEOs, expect some LEOs to be too scared to engage.

Even then we have mass shootings in stores, malls, churches, workplaces, movie theaters. It's not possible to protect every possible location in this way

Did you know there are MORE guns in Australia AFTER the gun buyback?

Yes. But their firearm ownership laws are stricter than ours and while they still have shootings, they aren't having the same issue as they did before their overhaul of gun laws. So what was your point?

The quantity of guns does not equal more shootings. New Zealand discovered that criminals don’t give up their guns. Who woulda thunk it?

Still ignoring the point that their gun regulation is stricter than the US. They are better at keeping guns away from would be criminals. Yes home printer guns is a new concern but still also one we can regulate in some ways similar to explosives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gov Lee has come forth with a strong proposal to supply funding to private schools for guards.

Guards make $90/hr. I guess we can tax the rich to get the money?

There is no guarantee that LEOs/guards who provide security to schools will engage with shooters.

Two LEOs on scene during the Parkland massacre did ZIP ZERO NADA to protect the students. Scot Peterson "refused to investigate the source of gunshots, retreated during the active shooting while victims were being shot and directed other law enforcement who arrived on scene to remain 500 feet away from the building." Sgt Brian Miller "hid in his car" while the shooting was going on. (He was fired for neglect of duty and later reinstated with back pay. He made $137,000 in 2018.) And we all know how cowardly the Uvalde LEOs who responded to the shooting were.

When the shooters are armed better than the LEOs, expect some LEOs to be too scared to engage.

Even then we have mass shootings in stores, malls, churches, workplaces, movie theaters. It's not possible to protect every possible location in this way

Did you know there are MORE guns in Australia AFTER the gun buyback?

Yes. But their firearm ownership laws are stricter than ours and while they still have shootings, they aren't having the same issue as they did before their overhaul of gun laws. So what was your point?

The quantity of guns does not equal more shootings. New Zealand discovered that criminals don’t give up their guns. Who woulda thunk it?

Still ignoring the point that their gun regulation is stricter than the US. They are better at keeping guns away from would be criminals. Yes home printer guns is a new concern but still also one we can regulate in some ways similar to explosives.

DP but as you pointed out that Australia gun laws didn't impede legal ownership then you're cool with the US adopting similar laws here, right? Because sensible gun legislation does not in fact impede law abiding gun owners though it does reduce gun deaths. So sure, let's look at Australia or Switzerland or New Zealand and adopt those laws.

Look everyone, a conservative agrees that sensible gun laws don't impede legal law abiding gun ownership!

[Anonymous]

The desire to own a gun reeks of paranoia on par with that of a schizophrenia sufferer. Are you really that self-important to think somebody is after you?