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It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

Bernie is adorable, but he's not a realistic pick for a politician, plus he's yet another oldster. If push comes to shove, he's also a blatant red.

The H1B issue is a very real problem, not an abstract intellectual topic of conversation. Highly intelligent, well educated, extremely competent Americans are losing their jobs to immigrant H1B and other visa holders. The causes have been carefully explained upthread.

This ought to be of upmost concern for all Americans. So far it has affected primarily the high tech sector, but I'm learning from this thread it's affected the health care sector as well. Which other highly educated Americans will be displaced by immigrant labor if Americans don't demand the curtailing of these outrageous programs?

Let me explain why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt. People may call it a cult, but it's just that I wouldn't have even been aware of the issue had Trump and his DOJ not started prosecuting the issue. I didn't go into tech to be an expert on immigration and all the jargon LCA, PERM. I had no idea this was going on. He gets credit for doing the right thing when other people were calling him a racist bigot. The people calling him the racist bigot were the ones doing the secret searches by the way.

? You're definitely a cult member. I've been in tech for a while in silicon valley, and there are definitely some weird tech bros. No one who has been in tech for a while is unaware of H1s.

Half the people in Silicon Valley are on h-1b. You're garden variety peson from the Midwest isn't aware of it.

H1s are everywhere, even in the midwest. The ^PP cult member stated that they are in tech, so they aren't the "garden variety midwesterner".

So, either the ^PP is ignorant or lying about being in tech.

I work in a hospital lab. The scientists make around 40 per hour with 2 dollars extra for night shift. Now, obviously 2 dollars is not enough. So day shift is staffed by Americans and night shift is 100% h1b.
I wouldn't call this a true worker shortage.

So, what you are saying is that Americans don't want to work the jobs that immigrants do, or at least, the shift.

FWIW, my father, an immigrant, volunteered to work the nightshift for a whopping 25 cent extra per hour.

I'm saying they need to pay enough to make the job attractive to American workers.
I'm a married homeowner with kids making 44 per hour. It would not be worth it to mess up my sleep schedule to earn 46 per hour. However there is a dollar amount at which I would consider it.
The h1bs are the same age as me (30s) living in dorms with bunk beds. For them 46 per hour is a godsend and they send every cent back home.

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It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

Bernie is adorable, but he's not a realistic pick for a politician, plus he's yet another oldster. If push comes to shove, he's also a blatant red.

The H1B issue is a very real problem, not an abstract intellectual topic of conversation. Highly intelligent, well educated, extremely competent Americans are losing their jobs to immigrant H1B and other visa holders. The causes have been carefully explained upthread.

This ought to be of upmost concern for all Americans. So far it has affected primarily the high tech sector, but I'm learning from this thread it's affected the health care sector as well. Which other highly educated Americans will be displaced by immigrant labor if Americans don't demand the curtailing of these outrageous programs?

Let me explain why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt. People may call it a cult, but it's just that I wouldn't have even been aware of the issue had Trump and his DOJ not started prosecuting the issue. I didn't go into tech to be an expert on immigration and all the jargon LCA, PERM. I had no idea this was going on. He gets credit for doing the right thing when other people were calling him a racist bigot. The people calling him the racist bigot were the ones doing the secret searches by the way.

? You're definitely a cult member. I've been in tech for a while in silicon valley, and there are definitely some weird tech bros. No one who has been in tech for a while is unaware of H1s.

Half the people in Silicon Valley are on h-1b. You're garden variety peson from the Midwest isn't aware of it.

H1s are everywhere, even in the midwest. The ^PP cult member stated that they are in tech, so they aren't the "garden variety midwesterner".

So, either the ^PP is ignorant or lying about being in tech.

H1Bs are especially present in flyover country where companies need those skills and the general population doesn’t have them.

A lot of these jobs can be done remotely. And with remote work a lot of qualified candidates moved to LCOL areas to save money, so I seriously doubt there is this shortage of workers in the midwest, which has a lot of large cities with major universities graduating Comp sci and STEM majors each year. Hiring remote across the USA should be the fist move before opting in for the H1s. You can also find willing remote workers to cover various shifts.

I also encourage hiring remote offshore. I think it's great. Keeps the cost of housing down. Employers don't get as much control over their foreign workers. Foreign workers aren't willing to "work for less" to get a green card. We don't have to train them or give them our code or expertise. Employers can just suck on their shoe if the foreigners don't perform. I mean remote work has been around for a long time. I don't see them doing it overseas, like they threaten to do.

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It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

Bernie is adorable, but he's not a realistic pick for a politician, plus he's yet another oldster. If push comes to shove, he's also a blatant red.

The H1B issue is a very real problem, not an abstract intellectual topic of conversation. Highly intelligent, well educated, extremely competent Americans are losing their jobs to immigrant H1B and other visa holders. The causes have been carefully explained upthread.

This ought to be of upmost concern for all Americans. So far it has affected primarily the high tech sector, but I'm learning from this thread it's affected the health care sector as well. Which other highly educated Americans will be displaced by immigrant labor if Americans don't demand the curtailing of these outrageous programs?

Let me explain why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt. People may call it a cult, but it's just that I wouldn't have even been aware of the issue had Trump and his DOJ not started prosecuting the issue. I didn't go into tech to be an expert on immigration and all the jargon LCA, PERM. I had no idea this was going on. He gets credit for doing the right thing when other people were calling him a racist bigot. The people calling him the racist bigot were the ones doing the secret searches by the way.

? You're definitely a cult member. I've been in tech for a while in silicon valley, and there are definitely some weird tech bros. No one who has been in tech for a while is unaware of H1s.

Half the people in Silicon Valley are on h-1b. You're garden variety peson from the Midwest isn't aware of it.

H1s are everywhere, even in the midwest. The ^PP cult member stated that they are in tech, so they aren't the "garden variety midwesterner".

So, either the ^PP is ignorant or lying about being in tech.

I work in a hospital lab. The scientists make around 40 per hour with 2 dollars extra for night shift. Now, obviously 2 dollars is not enough. So day shift is staffed by Americans and night shift is 100% h1b.
I wouldn't call this a true worker shortage.

So, what you are saying is that Americans don't want to work the jobs that immigrants do, or at least, the shift.

FWIW, my father, an immigrant, volunteered to work the nightshift for a whopping 25 cent extra per hour.

I'm saying they need to pay enough to make the job attractive to American workers.
I'm a married homeowner with kids making 44 per hour. It would not be worth it to mess up my sleep schedule to earn 46 per hour. However there is a dollar amount at which I would consider it.
The h1bs are the same age as me (30s) living in dorms with bunk beds. For them 46 per hour is a godsend and they send every cent back home.

Not sure if you are trying to flex but assuming 8 hour days, you only make a measly ~84k annually. Trust me when I say that the vast majority of H1Bs in the US make significantly more money than you, and just in base comp (not even taking into account bonus, RSU, etc). Their total comp is probably 2-3x yours at a minimum...

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"I work in a hospital lab. The scientists make around 40 per hour with 2 dollars extra for night shift. Now, obviously 2 dollars is not enough. So day shift is staffed by Americans and night shift is 100% h1b.
I wouldn't call this a true worker shortage."

I agree. It's not a "worker shortage". It's a refusal to pay enough extra to make the night shift worth the hassle.

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Anonymous wrote:"I work in a hospital lab. The scientists make around 40 per hour with 2 dollars extra for night shift. Now, obviously 2 dollars is not enough. So day shift is staffed by Americans and night shift is 100% h1b.
I wouldn't call this a true worker shortage."

I agree. It's not a "worker shortage". It's a refusal to pay enough extra to make the night shift worth the hassle.

I disagree it's not pay issue it's "let's see how uncomfortable we can make the job such that Americans are unwilling to do it so that we can import immigrants." issue.

Believe it or not there is a whole industry that has evolved to make jobs look unappealing to Americans so that they can say none applied. They job may very well be fine; they just advertise it in the worst possible light. From misspelled skillz and l33t speak in the posting to snail mail to submit the CV. Oh and travel. It's a cubicle farm etc. They literally do it on purpose. Hostile interview questions.

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Anonymous wrote:"I work in a hospital lab. The scientists make around 40 per hour with 2 dollars extra for night shift. Now, obviously 2 dollars is not enough. So day shift is staffed by Americans and night shift is 100% h1b.
I wouldn't call this a true worker shortage."

I agree. It's not a "worker shortage". It's a refusal to pay enough extra to make the night shift worth the hassle.

I disagree it's not pay issue it's "let's see how uncomfortable we can make the job such that Americans are unwilling to do it so that we can import immigrants." issue.

Believe it or not there is a whole industry that has evolved to make jobs look unappealing to Americans so that they can say none applied. They job may very well be fine; they just advertise it in the worst possible light. From misspelled skillz and l33t speak in the posting to snail mail to submit the CV. Oh and travel. It's a cubicle farm etc. They literally do it on purpose. Hostile interview questions.

In healthcare jobs it is completely a pay issue. We have our pick of local applicants for day shift jobs. It's the night that is impossible to staff.
During the beginning of covid almost all our older staff quit. Hospitals were paying an extra $18 per hour "emergency pay" and miraculously we were able to hire plenty of local technicians to replace the older ones with no h1b required. When that pay went away so did the workers and h1b to the rescue.

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If you all think Trump is your savior on this, you're a fool. Musk wants h1 workers, so Trump will allow it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all think Trump is your savior on this, you're a fool. Musk wants h1 workers, so Trump will allow it.

You haven't watched the news have you. He has already started to replace the lottery with a pay-based scale. He had tried to implement that prior, but Biden revoked it.

Choice is very clear here.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

Countries are supposed to do things that benefit their citizens specifically. Otherwise there's not really any benefit of being a citizen of a particular country. We see all sorts of protectionalism in other industries outside of tech. There's hoops to get other professional degrees recognized in the USA for doctors and lawyers, but not so much for STEM.

the USA is addicted to cheap labor at both the higher end and lower end.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Lots of reasons you should care, if you care about your nation itself.

So even if you aren't particularly patriotic, you should care because some of those visas are explotative. It's a moral issue.

If you're truley going after the best possible cannidate you're not going for H1Bs, you're going for O visas for extraordinary people for the fields of science, education, economics and sports.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

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Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

MAGA doesn't understand, Wall Street is driving force to have H1 workers, and illegal immigrants too.

And MAGA also don't seem to understand that Trump courted wall st money to fund him. He gave them huge tax breaks. Does MAGA think he will cut a source of cheap labor for his own businesses?

of course not, he's not a nationalist

he's at best a civic nationalist

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

because its good business

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Maybe you should learn a little history.

You can be against a policy and yet take advantage of the same policy until it is removed. That is what Trump is doing. And while he has immigrants working for his businesses, we know that his actions on H1B are night and day difference from the Democrats. Only a fool would vote for a Democrat.

Maybe read a little about US history.

The idea that there is no obligation to pay more taxes is rooted in legal and philosophical discussions. According to a famous quote by Judge Learned Hand, "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes". This statement suggests that individuals are not legally required to pay more than the minimum amount of taxes mandated by law.

Blah, blah blah. No one’s going to read your word salad. Do as I say, not as I do. Rules for thee, not for me is the MAGA motto.

DP, how can you compete against other businesses if they're doing it?

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

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I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Maybe you should learn a little history.

You can be against a policy and yet take advantage of the same policy until it is removed. That is what Trump is doing. And while he has immigrants working for his businesses, we know that his actions on H1B are night and day difference from the Democrats. Only a fool would vote for a Democrat.

Maybe read a little about US history.

The idea that there is no obligation to pay more taxes is rooted in legal and philosophical discussions. According to a famous quote by Judge Learned Hand, "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes". This statement suggests that individuals are not legally required to pay more than the minimum amount of taxes mandated by law.

Blah, blah blah. No one’s going to read your word salad. Do as I say, not as I do. Rules for thee, not for me is the MAGA motto.

DP, how can you compete against other businesses if they're doing it?

That was Facebook's argument: https://www.hrdive.com/news/ignorance-is-not-going-to-be-an-excuse-lessons-from-facebooks-hiring-sc/609986/

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Repeal H1B now.

Amazon CEO Andy Jassy said in June that there would “be fewer people doing some of the jobs that the technology actually starts to automate.”
However, Jassy did not mention another factor — the employment data indicate that Amazon has led corporate America in spurning U.S. workers in favor of foreign-born alternatives.

The company’s main operating arm submitted 31,817 Labor Condition Applications for H-1B, H-1B1, and E-3 visas in the second quarter of fiscal 2025, according to data published by the Labor Department’s Office of Foreign Labor Certification. The number grows higher — to 40,757 — if one accounts for Amazon Web Services, the company’s cloud-management division.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/5443667-h-1bs-are-wreaking-havoc-on-american-workers/

They recently came under fire from Vice President JD Vance. Alluding to Microsoft’s announcement of layoffs weeks earlier, Vance said at an event, “You see some Big Tech companies where they’ll lay off 9,000 workers, and then they’ll apply for a bunch of overseas visas.” He added that he “just found out” and had “not yet had that conversation with Microsoft.”

Although these foreign workers are, in theory, intended to fill “high-skill” roles, the data tell a different story. According to the Labor Department, 82 percent of Microsoft’s H-1B applications for 2025 have been for positions the department classifies as Level I or II — entry or mid-level roles paid at or below the 34th wage percentile.

To put that in simpler terms: Microsoft is paying 82 percent of its foreign workers less than the prevailing market rate for their positions.