How many elite/top schools are there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan isn't elite. A vast a majority of its students have low SAT scores. Good, but not elite. Let's be real.

This is not factually true.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/MedianSAT/Control/Public/

1435 with a greater share submitting than UVA. Test scores are high at Michigan.

[Anonymous]

HYPSM and Caltech

[Anonymous]

13

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan isn't elite. A vast a majority of its students have low SAT scores. Good, but not elite. Let's be real.

This is not factually true.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/MedianSAT/Control/Public/

1435 with a greater share submitting than UVA. Test scores are high at Michigan.

Yes it is true. 25% of all Michigan freshmen scored BELOW[u] 1350. What's worse ONLY 52% submitted an SAT score!

Source direct from Michigan:
https://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/cds/CDS_2023-24_UMAA_10-25-24.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan isn't elite. A vast a majority of its students have low SAT scores. Good, but not elite. Let's be real.

This is not factually true.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/MedianSAT/Control/Public/

1435 with a greater share submitting than UVA. Test scores are high at Michigan.

Yes it is true. 25% of all Michigan freshmen scored BELOW[u] 1350. What's worse ONLY 52% submitted an SAT score!

Source direct from Michigan:
https://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/cds/CDS_2023-24_UMAA_10-25-24.pdf

That is not a high score. UVA's lower 25% is signifcantly higher. Face it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan isn't elite. A vast a majority of its students have low SAT scores. Good, but not elite. Let's be real.

This is not factually true.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/MedianSAT/Control/Public/

1435 with a greater share submitting than UVA. Test scores are high at Michigan.

Yes it is true. 25% of all Michigan freshmen scored BELOW[u] 1350. What's worse ONLY 52% submitted an SAT score!

Source direct from Michigan:
https://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/cds/CDS_2023-24_UMAA_10-25-24.pdf

...?
70% submitted test scores which is higher than at UVA.

Also, maybe hurting my point, I'll point out the fact that no one really knows what % of Michigan freshmen scored below a 1350 because 30% are test optional. So you saying "25% of all Michigan freshmen scored BELOW 1350" is probably incorrect.

I guess I'm just saying Michigan's stats are not substantively different from those of competitive privates or UVA, so there's really no cause to dunk on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan isn't elite. A vast a majority of its students have low SAT scores. Good, but not elite. Let's be real.

This is not factually true.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/MedianSAT/Control/Public/

1435 with a greater share submitting than UVA. Test scores are high at Michigan.

Yes it is true. 25% of all Michigan freshmen scored BELOW[u] 1350. What's worse ONLY 52% submitted an SAT score!

Source direct from Michigan:
https://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/cds/CDS_2023-24_UMAA_10-25-24.pdf

Do you…do you think that 25% is “a vast majority?” I would hate to see your SAT scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan isn't elite. A vast a majority of its students have low SAT scores. Good, but not elite. Let's be real.

This is not factually true.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/MedianSAT/Control/Public/

1435 with a greater share submitting than UVA. Test scores are high at Michigan.

Yes it is true. 25% of all Michigan freshmen scored BELOW[u] 1350. What's worse ONLY 52% submitted an SAT score!

Source direct from Michigan:
https://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/cds/CDS_2023-24_UMAA_10-25-24.pdf

No, 25% of all Michigan freshman did not score below 1350. You aren’t factoring in the 18% that submitted the ACT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re the Wisco booster, there’s never enough elite schools until Wisconsin makes in on there……

In all seriousness, Wisco is in fact a shitty school and has always been that way.

T25 cut off for elite status, that includes Cal, UCLA, Michigan, UNC, UVA in that order

Go blue baby

UNC isn't T25

Heck, I'd put them up there. They were 22 in USNWR last year.

And speaking of, looking at this year's rank, were I UNC I'd feel pretty insulted being tied with USC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re the Wisco booster, there’s never enough elite schools until Wisconsin makes in on there……

In all seriousness, Wisco is in fact a shitty school and has always been that way.

T25 cut off for elite status, that includes Cal, UCLA, Michigan, UNC, UVA in that order

Go blue baby

UNC isn't T25

Heck, I'd put them up there. They were 22 in USNWR last year.

And speaking of, looking at this year's rank, were I UNC I'd feel pretty insulted being tied with USC.

US News talk is so...

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure what the issue is. The flagship schools in the big states - like California, Texas, and Michigan - tend to vacuum most of the great in-state students. And a 1350 from a shit school in Flint or Waco or Salinas is much more valuable than a 1550 from GDS or Sidwell or choose your privileged school. That 1350 from a difficult school shows resilience and talent and discipline. Texas, Berkeley, UNC - to their credit - are all focused on in-state students. Michigan will take more OOS students, but it remains primarily focused on in-state.

For the OOS students, you need to be a little extra special, but most importantly you need to be willing to pay twice as much as every other student at these schools.

And these realities are distorting when compared to the high endowment private schools. Harvard and Texas-Austin have different priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure what the issue is. The flagship schools in the big states - like California, Texas, and Michigan - tend to vacuum most of the great in-state students. And a 1350 from a shit school in Flint or Waco or Salinas is much more valuable than a 1550 from GDS or Sidwell or choose your privileged school. That 1350 from a difficult school shows resilience and talent and discipline. Texas, Berkeley, UNC - to their credit - are all focused on in-state students. Michigan will take more OOS students, but it remains primarily focused on in-state.

For the OOS students, you need to be a little extra special, but most importantly you need to be willing to pay twice as much as every other student at these schools.

And these realities are distorting when compared to the high endowment private schools. Harvard and Texas-Austin have different priorities.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:13

what is your 13?
mine would be ivies and Stanford MIT Duke Caltech Uchicago

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:13

what is your 13?
mine would be ivies and Stanford MIT Duke Caltech Uchicago

So Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown are more elite than Northwestern, Johna Hopkins?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:13

what is your 13?
mine would be ivies and Stanford MIT Duke Caltech Uchicago

So Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown are more elite than Northwestern, Johna Hopkins?

DP. Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, and Johna Hopkins are similar imo.