Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

[Anonymous]

In the texts, Sondland says he spoke to Zelensky several times, including briefing him on what he needed to promise in the July 25 phone call.

Everyone has assumed that Ambassador Yovanovitch was smeared and removed from Ukraine mainly because she objected to Rudy Giuliani's intrusion in Ukraine, but these texts make me suspect that she also would have had a bigger problem with political appointee Sondland, the Ambassador to EU, going around and over her to intrude into Ukraine with a political campaign agenda.

It will be very interesting to see what Yovanovitch has to say about Sondland acting far outside his institutional jurisdiction to coerce Ukrainian officials to contribute to Trump's personal vendettas.

[Anonymous]

How can a sitting Senator tell that tale when the facts - and he is the chair overseeing Ukraine in the Senate- completly undermine the claim?

He should resign immediately.

Facts:

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-wrong-on-european-aid-to-ukraine/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOP Senator admits to knowing of quid pro quo in AUGUST from Gordon Sondland, who told him Ukraine aid was tied to Trump demand for investigation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-used-potential-meeting-to-pressure-ukraine-on-biden-texts-indicate-11570205661

It's a shame he didn't have any backbone to, you know, call the President out on it, or otherwise work with the Ukranians.

In an interview, Sen. Ron Johnson (R., Wis.) said he learned of a potential quid pro quo from the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, who told him that aid to Ukraine was tied to the desire by Mr. Trump and his allies to have Kyiv undertake investigations related to the 2016 U.S. elections.

Mr. Johnson raised the issue with Mr. Trump in a phone call on Aug. 31, shortly before the senator was due to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. In the call, Mr. Trump flatly rejected the notion that he directed aides to make military aid to Ukraine contingent on a new investigation by Kyiv, Mr. Johnson said.

Mr. Johnson, who supports aid to Ukraine and is the chairman of a Senate subcommittee with jurisdiction over the region, said Mr. Trump was adamant on the issue. “He said—expletive deleted—‘No way. I would never do that. Who told you that?” the Wisconsin senator recalled. Mr. Johnson told Mr. Trump that he had learned of the arrangement from Mr. Sondland.

Circular firing squad

Of course, donor-diplomat Sondland patronizingly told career-diplomat Taylor in a series of text exchanges that Taylor was incorrect in seeing a link between aid and investigation. Sondland said that he believed Trump was delaying the aid until he was comfortable that the new government would make anti-corruption strides.

Nope. Taylor put in writing the crime that has previously only been discussed by call, and Sondland fired off a CYA response.

[Anonymous]

Actually, no. Taylor has his own agenda of some sort. Whenever someone says in a text or email "Don't you remember that conversation we had when you said such and such...." is an attempt by Taylor to create a phoney paper trail of a conversation that never occurred. Lawyers pull this stuff, or try to, all the time. They'll send correspondence "documenting" a conversation that never occurred. Then, if the correspondence is overlooked, or the recipient doesn't respond to set the record straight, the false documentation of a conversation which never occurred becomes the "default record." That's why Sondland jumped all over Taylor, immediately, completely refuting his phoney recollection of a conversation that never occurred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, no. Taylor has his own agenda of some sort. Whenever someone says in a text or email "Don't you remember that conversation we had when you said such and such...." is an attempt by Taylor to create a phoney paper trail of a conversation that never occurred. Lawyers pull this stuff, or try to, all the time. They'll send correspondence "documenting" a conversation that never occurred. Then, if the correspondence is overlooked, or the recipient doesn't respond to set the record straight, the false documentation of a conversation which never occurred becomes the "default record." That's why Sondland jumped all over Taylor, immediately, completely refuting his phoney recollection of a conversation that never occurred.

What sort of strange universe do you live in?

I'm glad I don't live in that dystopian world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOP Senator admits to knowing of quid pro quo in AUGUST from Gordon Sondland, who told him Ukraine aid was tied to Trump demand for investigation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-used-potential-meeting-to-pressure-ukraine-on-biden-texts-indicate-11570205661

It's a shame he didn't have any backbone to, you know, call the President out on it, or otherwise work with the Ukranians.

In an interview, Sen. Ron Johnson (R., Wis.) said he learned of a potential quid pro quo from the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, who told him that aid to Ukraine was tied to the desire by Mr. Trump and his allies to have Kyiv undertake investigations related to the 2016 U.S. elections.

Mr. Johnson raised the issue with Mr. Trump in a phone call on Aug. 31, shortly before the senator was due to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. In the call, Mr. Trump flatly rejected the notion that he directed aides to make military aid to Ukraine contingent on a new investigation by Kyiv, Mr. Johnson said.

Mr. Johnson, who supports aid to Ukraine and is the chairman of a Senate subcommittee with jurisdiction over the region, said Mr. Trump was adamant on the issue. “He said—expletive deleted—‘No way. I would never do that. Who told you that?” the Wisconsin senator recalled. Mr. Johnson told Mr. Trump that he had learned of the arrangement from Mr. Sondland.

Circular firing squad

So this Johnson putz has known about this since August 31 and he’s said nothing? What’s the list of Russipiblican traitors up to on this specific issue? 12?

Sen. Johnson traveled to Ukraine with Sen. Chris Murphy. After the trip Johnson said

Johnson, who was with Murphy and Zelensky, told reporters that he told the Ukrainian president that the "primary rationale" for Trump's decision to withhold aid was lack of investment from other European countries.

"The first question President Zelensky asked was, ‘What's the deal with funding?' and because I had spoken with the president I answered that question, and I gave him as honest an answer as I could," Johnson said.

"The primary rationale [President Trump] gave me was that same idea that Europe was not stepping up to the plate to spend the money they should spend in their own backyard," Johnson explained. "He just thinks we're being played for suckers, and it irritates him."

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/sen-chris-murphy-changes-his-story-on-zelensky-meeting/

So how many different stories is Ron Johnson going to tell?

Yes, someone else beat me to this with a link, but this particular story is a complete fabrication. The EU as a whole as well as separate European countries have contributed hundreds and hundreds of million dollars more to Ukraine than we have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, no. Taylor has his own agenda of some sort. Whenever someone says in a text or email "Don't you remember that conversation we had when you said such and such...." is an attempt by Taylor to create a phoney paper trail of a conversation that never occurred. Lawyers pull this stuff, or try to, all the time. They'll send correspondence "documenting" a conversation that never occurred. Then, if the correspondence is overlooked, or the recipient doesn't respond to set the record straight, the false documentation of a conversation which never occurred becomes the "default record." That's why Sondland jumped all over Taylor, immediately, completely refuting his phoney recollection of a conversation that never occurred.

So... you think Sondland was lying to Johnson now? Because he said the same thing as Taylor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, no. Taylor has his own agenda of some sort. Whenever someone says in a text or email "Don't you remember that conversation we had when you said such and such...." is an attempt by Taylor to create a phoney paper trail of a conversation that never occurred. Lawyers pull this stuff, or try to, all the time. They'll send correspondence "documenting" a conversation that never occurred. Then, if the correspondence is overlooked, or the recipient doesn't respond to set the record straight, the false documentation of a conversation which never occurred becomes the "default record." That's why Sondland jumped all over Taylor, immediately, completely refuting his phoney recollection of a conversation that never occurred.

Uh, no. And there is a likely a recording.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of speculation here. Not a lot of facts. I wish people would stop speculating what Taylor meant and what Volker meant. Ridiculous

No need to speculate, Trump today publically asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden. Do you think it's okay for a President to use the power of his office to get dirt on political opponents? If this is okay with you, what will you say when a Democrat is President and does that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, no. Taylor has his own agenda of some sort. Whenever someone says in a text or email "Don't you remember that conversation we had when you said such and such...." is an attempt by Taylor to create a phoney paper trail of a conversation that never occurred. Lawyers pull this stuff, or try to, all the time. They'll send correspondence "documenting" a conversation that never occurred. Then, if the correspondence is overlooked, or the recipient doesn't respond to set the record straight, the false documentation of a conversation which never occurred becomes the "default record." That's why Sondland jumped all over Taylor, immediately, completely refuting his phoney recollection of a conversation that never occurred.

Is this GOP talking point 6a or 9f?

One has to make serious mental contortions to both write it and take it seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of speculation here. Not a lot of facts. I wish people would stop speculating what Taylor meant and what Volker meant. Ridiculous

No need to speculate, Trump today publically asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden. Do you think it's okay for a President to use the power of his office to get dirt on political opponents? If this is okay with you, what will you say when a Democrat is President and does that?

Yep. We are past the point of "speculation" about what Taylor meant or Sondland understood or Johnson said.

Trump is saying that he can ask any country to investigate his political rivals and no one will stop him. I guess he forgot how poorly it went for him early this year with Pelosi and his shutdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOP Senator admits to knowing of quid pro quo in AUGUST from Gordon Sondland, who told him Ukraine aid was tied to Trump demand for investigation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-used-potential-meeting-to-pressure-ukraine-on-biden-texts-indicate-11570205661

It's a shame he didn't have any backbone to, you know, call the President out on it, or otherwise work with the Ukranians.

In an interview, Sen. Ron Johnson (R., Wis.) said he learned of a potential quid pro quo from the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, who told him that aid to Ukraine was tied to the desire by Mr. Trump and his allies to have Kyiv undertake investigations related to the 2016 U.S. elections.

Mr. Johnson raised the issue with Mr. Trump in a phone call on Aug. 31, shortly before the senator was due to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. In the call, Mr. Trump flatly rejected the notion that he directed aides to make military aid to Ukraine contingent on a new investigation by Kyiv, Mr. Johnson said.

Mr. Johnson, who supports aid to Ukraine and is the chairman of a Senate subcommittee with jurisdiction over the region, said Mr. Trump was adamant on the issue. “He said—expletive deleted—‘No way. I would never do that. Who told you that?” the Wisconsin senator recalled. Mr. Johnson told Mr. Trump that he had learned of the arrangement from Mr. Sondland.

Circular firing squad

So this Johnson putz has known about this since August 31 and he’s said nothing? What’s the list of Russipiblican traitors up to on this specific issue? 12?

Sen. Johnson traveled to Ukraine with Sen. Chris Murphy. After the trip Johnson said

Johnson, who was with Murphy and Zelensky, told reporters that he told the Ukrainian president that the "primary rationale" for Trump's decision to withhold aid was lack of investment from other European countries.

"The first question President Zelensky asked was, ‘What's the deal with funding?' and because I had spoken with the president I answered that question, and I gave him as honest an answer as I could," Johnson said.

"The primary rationale [President Trump] gave me was that same idea that Europe was not stepping up to the plate to spend the money they should spend in their own backyard," Johnson explained. "He just thinks we're being played for suckers, and it irritates him."

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/sen-chris-murphy-changes-his-story-on-zelensky-meeting/

So how many different stories is Ron Johnson going to tell?

Yes, someone else beat me to this with a link, but this particular story is a complete fabrication. The EU as a whole as well as separate European countries have contributed hundreds and hundreds of million dollars more to Ukraine than we have.

It's kind of hilarious how you people contort yourselves into believing that hundreds of people are lying vs. Donald Trump lying. I guess it helps you sleep at night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, no. Taylor has his own agenda of some sort. Whenever someone says in a text or email "Don't you remember that conversation we had when you said such and such...." is an attempt by Taylor to create a phoney paper trail of a conversation that never occurred. Lawyers pull this stuff, or try to, all the time. They'll send correspondence "documenting" a conversation that never occurred. Then, if the correspondence is overlooked, or the recipient doesn't respond to set the record straight, the false documentation of a conversation which never occurred becomes the "default record." That's why Sondland jumped all over Taylor, immediately, completely refuting his phoney recollection of a conversation that never occurred.

Having actually had that done to me, no that's not what is happening here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOP Senator admits to knowing of quid pro quo in AUGUST from Gordon Sondland, who told him Ukraine aid was tied to Trump demand for investigation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-used-potential-meeting-to-pressure-ukraine-on-biden-texts-indicate-11570205661

It's a shame he didn't have any backbone to, you know, call the President out on it, or otherwise work with the Ukranians.

In an interview, Sen. Ron Johnson (R., Wis.) said he learned of a potential quid pro quo from the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, who told him that aid to Ukraine was tied to the desire by Mr. Trump and his allies to have Kyiv undertake investigations related to the 2016 U.S. elections.

Mr. Johnson raised the issue with Mr. Trump in a phone call on Aug. 31, shortly before the senator was due to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. In the call, Mr. Trump flatly rejected the notion that he directed aides to make military aid to Ukraine contingent on a new investigation by Kyiv, Mr. Johnson said.

Mr. Johnson, who supports aid to Ukraine and is the chairman of a Senate subcommittee with jurisdiction over the region, said Mr. Trump was adamant on the issue. “He said—expletive deleted—‘No way. I would never do that. Who told you that?” the Wisconsin senator recalled. Mr. Johnson told Mr. Trump that he had learned of the arrangement from Mr. Sondland.

Circular firing squad

So this Johnson putz has known about this since August 31 and he’s said nothing? What’s the list of Russipiblican traitors up to on this specific issue? 12?

Sen. Johnson traveled to Ukraine with Sen. Chris Murphy. After the trip Johnson said

Johnson, who was with Murphy and Zelensky, told reporters that he told the Ukrainian president that the "primary rationale" for Trump's decision to withhold aid was lack of investment from other European countries.

"The first question President Zelensky asked was, ‘What's the deal with funding?' and because I had spoken with the president I answered that question, and I gave him as honest an answer as I could," Johnson said.

"The primary rationale [President Trump] gave me was that same idea that Europe was not stepping up to the plate to spend the money they should spend in their own backyard," Johnson explained. "He just thinks we're being played for suckers, and it irritates him."

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/sen-chris-murphy-changes-his-story-on-zelensky-meeting/

So how many different stories is Ron Johnson going to tell?

Yes, someone else beat me to this with a link, but this particular story is a complete fabrication. The EU as a whole as well as separate European countries have contributed hundreds and hundreds of million dollars more to Ukraine than we have.

Trump said the same publicly a few days ago, so why would he not have told Johnson the same thing back then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOP Senator admits to knowing of quid pro quo in AUGUST from Gordon Sondland, who told him Ukraine aid was tied to Trump demand for investigation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-used-potential-meeting-to-pressure-ukraine-on-biden-texts-indicate-11570205661

It's a shame he didn't have any backbone to, you know, call the President out on it, or otherwise work with the Ukranians.

In an interview, Sen. Ron Johnson (R., Wis.) said he learned of a potential quid pro quo from the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, who told him that aid to Ukraine was tied to the desire by Mr. Trump and his allies to have Kyiv undertake investigations related to the 2016 U.S. elections.

Mr. Johnson raised the issue with Mr. Trump in a phone call on Aug. 31, shortly before the senator was due to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. In the call, Mr. Trump flatly rejected the notion that he directed aides to make military aid to Ukraine contingent on a new investigation by Kyiv, Mr. Johnson said.

Mr. Johnson, who supports aid to Ukraine and is the chairman of a Senate subcommittee with jurisdiction over the region, said Mr. Trump was adamant on the issue. “He said—expletive deleted—‘No way. I would never do that. Who told you that?” the Wisconsin senator recalled. Mr. Johnson told Mr. Trump that he had learned of the arrangement from Mr. Sondland.

Circular firing squad

So this Johnson putz has known about this since August 31 and he’s said nothing? What’s the list of Russipiblican traitors up to on this specific issue? 12?

Sen. Johnson traveled to Ukraine with Sen. Chris Murphy. After the trip Johnson said

Johnson, who was with Murphy and Zelensky, told reporters that he told the Ukrainian president that the "primary rationale" for Trump's decision to withhold aid was lack of investment from other European countries.

"The first question President Zelensky asked was, ‘What's the deal with funding?' and because I had spoken with the president I answered that question, and I gave him as honest an answer as I could," Johnson said.

"The primary rationale [President Trump] gave me was that same idea that Europe was not stepping up to the plate to spend the money they should spend in their own backyard," Johnson explained. "He just thinks we're being played for suckers, and it irritates him."

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/sen-chris-murphy-changes-his-story-on-zelensky-meeting/

So how many different stories is Ron Johnson going to tell?

Yes, someone else beat me to this with a link, but this particular story is a complete fabrication. The EU as a whole as well as separate European countries have contributed hundreds and hundreds of million dollars more to Ukraine than we have.

Trump said the same publicly a few days ago, so why would he not have told Johnson the same thing back then?

Because he lied to Johnson and lied to the American public. The facts are not supporting what he is saying.