That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So he started experimenting with alcohol/drugs the spring of his Senior year of HS and this incident with Emily Doe occurred in January of his freshman year of college (he was a 19 year old freshman, she was a 22 year old college grad with a FT job and a boyfriend). I'm still going to view this guy as a relative newbie to drinking/partying and specifically college parties - and women. He probably didn't have a great deal of experience being at drinking parties with women...

To have the freakin' Vice President of the United States voice an opinion about this is pretty amazing. And to have Barbara Boxer applaud the victim for being brave enough to "come forward"...assuming that you can call sleeping it off in the hospital, waking up with no memory of how you got there and no clue as to what happened to you "coming forward". Would the victim have gone through the rape kit and the crime photography of naked body over being groped/fingered by some drunken hookup? I know that I sure as hell wouldn't.

The only reason that this got as far as it did is because she blacked out. She was terrified of wth may have happened to her...because she didn't know. I feel bad for her. And I am disgusted on her behalf that Brock touched her passed out body the way he did. He had no right to do that.

It all seems like a bit of a witch hunt to me...I actually find myself feeling bad for BOTH of these young people. They have both lost so much...

Wtf, who CARES if he had much experience with drugs, parties, or women? Inexperience in any arena does not excuse sex with a partner who cannot consent. This is the most basic concept, it is UNREAL that people are defending this guy.

Exactly. It is not acceptable to "learn" this behavior is wrong by trial and error. A witch hunt?? Please. He ran away! He knew what he was doing was wrong, and yet blames "drinking culture" for his actions. Dirtbag, indeed.

He had two guys yelling and running at him. And he was humping a passed out girl which was wrong. Yeah, he was caught and he ran. Duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So he started experimenting with alcohol/drugs the spring of his Senior year of HS and this incident with Emily Doe occurred in January of his freshman year of college (he was a 19 year old freshman, she was a 22 year old college grad with a FT job and a boyfriend). I'm still going to view this guy as a relative newbie to drinking/partying and specifically college parties - and women. He probably didn't have a great deal of experience being at drinking parties with women...

To have the freakin' Vice President of the United States voice an opinion about this is pretty amazing. And to have Barbara Boxer applaud the victim for being brave enough to "come forward"...assuming that you can call sleeping it off in the hospital, waking up with no memory of how you got there and no clue as to what happened to you "coming forward". Would the victim have gone through the rape kit and the crime photography of naked body over being groped/fingered by some drunken hookup? I know that I sure as hell wouldn't.

The only reason that this got as far as it did is because she blacked out. She was terrified of wth may have happened to her...because she didn't know. I feel bad for her. And I am disgusted on her behalf that Brock touched her passed out body the way he did. He had no right to do that.

It all seems like a bit of a witch hunt to me...I actually find myself feeling bad for BOTH of these young people. They have both lost so much...

Yes, that is the entire point. A person who is drunk enough to black out is not capable of giving consent to sexual activity. That is California law. Turner violated this law, and he was convicted for it.

[Anonymous]

Supporters of Brock- stop thinking in the abstract. Think about the likelihood of your brother/son/father/close male friend raping a woman in this scenario as this fellow did, regardless of level of intoxication. Drinking alcohol just loosens people up - the acts they want to do when fully conscious are easier to do when drunk. It doesn't turn someone into a rapist.

Other random thought - these two Swedes who intervened to the extent that they did - does anyone think two American fellows would have done the same? I don't. I think they would have started filming and posting on YouTube then moved on. Wish I were wrong but I don't think so

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed by the number and fervor of anonymous rape apologists. Really eye opening, in the most unfortunate way.

Best commentary I've read on the subject "She knew what she was doing by having a vagina on a Friday night."

Do you know what happens when you put a red drop of paint on a cute baby chick? The other chicks see it and peck, peck, peck, attack it until it's dead.

Brock of course is not a baby chick but he isn't exactly Ted Bundy either. It seems so obvious that he got drunk, this young woman got drunk, one thing led to another and he touched her body inappropriately while she was passed out. Yeah, that was pretty awful of him. But he's been convicted and he'll serve his time.

What I don't get is the peck, peck, pecking on this guy - is he really that horrible of a monster? And I don't understand why this victim is being portrayed as a modern day hero. She played a role in victimizing and hurting herself.

I don't get it.

And I don't get THIS! I knew plenty of guys who got blind drink in college. And I would bet my right arm none of them worried that me or one of my female friends would rape them. See how that works? Male privilege means mean don't even have to think about it. Women do, all the time. Survivor here.

[Anonymous]

Why would any one feel sorry for Brock Turner? He made a bad decision and now needs to face the consequences. Whether the victim was drunk or not is immaterial. He assaulted her. Would it make a difference if he assaulted her and she were sober? Would it make you feel any different? IMHO he got off light. Lost his swimming scholarship? Well, that's just too bad!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed by the number and fervor of anonymous rape apologists. Really eye opening, in the most unfortunate way.

Best commentary I've read on the subject "She knew what she was doing by having a vagina on a Friday night."

Do you know what happens when you put a red drop of paint on a cute baby chick? The other chicks see it and peck, peck, peck, attack it until it's dead.

Brock of course is not a baby chick but he isn't exactly Ted Bundy either. It seems so obvious that he got drunk, this young woman got drunk, one thing led to another and he touched her body inappropriately while she was passed out. Yeah, that was pretty awful of him. But he's been convicted and he'll serve his time.

What I don't get is the peck, peck, pecking on this guy - is he really that horrible of a monster? And I don't understand why this victim is being portrayed as a modern day hero. She played a role in victimizing and hurting herself.

I don't get it.

And I don't get THIS! I knew plenty of guys who got blind drink in college. And I would bet my right arm none of them worried that me or one of my female friends would rape them. See how that works? Male privilege means mean don't even have to think about it. Women do, all the time. Survivor here.

They were both blind drunk. In her letter, Emily Doe puts 100% of the blame on Brock Turner - he kissed her on the dance floor, he led her behind the dumpsters, he took off her clothes, he groped her...

How does she know any of this? How does she know that she didn't kiss him or remove her own clothes or walk to the back of those dumpsters or grope him? For someone who has no memory - none - of that night she sure sounds pretty darned positive that all of this was his doing. If she could blame him for getting her drunk she would probably do that too.

She feels that she has zero accountability for being in that situation. VP Biden chastises other younger, less experienced kids for not watching out for this woman at a college party. A party that she really had no business being at in the first place. She was not a college kid anymore. But she's off the hook for getting sh*t faced, passed out drunk behind dumpsters at a college party because she doesn't remember it happening. That's all you have to do - not remember - and even if you were out of control drinking and even if you were making out with a drunk underage guy, even if you were kissing him back it becomes HIS fault. Especially if you're a girl. Because you don't remember.

Brock Turner had no right to sexually assault this woman. But to hear Emily Doe tell it - he pretty much attacked her and took her behind the dumpsters and assaulted her. She was an unwilling victim throughout it all - the wounded antelope. She has to believe that this was all done TO her - she was a victim from beginning to end. Would it make a difference to her if she saw a video of her dancing with him that night and kissing him back? Probably not. Maybe one day he can pay her back her back for that ambulance ride and all the therapy she needs....

If she had driven drunk that night she would have been accountable. If she had murdered someone she would have been accountable. If she had vandalized property or stabbed someone or snatched a purse she would have been accountable. Even if she didn't remember dong it. Instead she hurt herself by getting black out, passed out drunk and going behind dumpsters with a guy that she didn't know. It's all his fault even if she did actively participate in making out with him before she passed out because she doesn't remember. This guy had no business touching her body when she was passed out. Consensual sex becomes non-consensual the minute a person passes out - that is cut and dry, indisputable fact.

But to say that men are more responsible for their actions than women are when it comes to hooking up and having sex because of biology (he penetrated her). To equate passing out while making out to being jumped/attacked/raped by a rapist.....that isn't right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed by the number and fervor of anonymous rape apologists. Really eye opening, in the most unfortunate way.

Best commentary I've read on the subject "She knew what she was doing by having a vagina on a Friday night."

Do you know what happens when you put a red drop of paint on a cute baby chick? The other chicks see it and peck, peck, peck, attack it until it's dead.

Brock of course is not a baby chick but he isn't exactly Ted Bundy either. It seems so obvious that he got drunk, this young woman got drunk, one thing led to another and he touched her body inappropriately while she was passed out. Yeah, that was pretty awful of him. But he's been convicted and he'll serve his time.

What I don't get is the peck, peck, pecking on this guy - is he really that horrible of a monster? And I don't understand why this victim is being portrayed as a modern day hero. She played a role in victimizing and hurting herself.

I don't get it.

It's not ONLY that what he did was so appalling. It's ALL the ingredients of this story. His letter. His dad's letter. His friend's statement. All minimizing and dodging responsibility. The failure of the Judge in sentencing. Taken all together, this case really distills the disregard our society shows for rape victims and the privilege of white males and athletes. "20 minutes of action" indeed.

[Anonymous]

He's been banned from USA Swimming: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-stanford-swimmer-brock-turner-banned-for-life-by-usa-swimming/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed by the number and fervor of anonymous rape apologists. Really eye opening, in the most unfortunate way.

Best commentary I've read on the subject "She knew what she was doing by having a vagina on a Friday night."

Do you know what happens when you put a red drop of paint on a cute baby chick? The other chicks see it and peck, peck, peck, attack it until it's dead.

Brock of course is not a baby chick but he isn't exactly Ted Bundy either. It seems so obvious that he got drunk, this young woman got drunk, one thing led to another and he touched her body inappropriately while she was passed out. Yeah, that was pretty awful of him. But he's been convicted and he'll serve his time.

What I don't get is the peck, peck, pecking on this guy - is he really that horrible of a monster? And I don't understand why this victim is being portrayed as a modern day hero. She played a role in victimizing and hurting herself.

I don't get it.

It's not ONLY that what he did was so appalling. It's ALL the ingredients of this story. His letter. His dad's letter. His friend's statement. All minimizing and dodging responsibility. The failure of the Judge in sentencing. Taken all together, this case really distills the disregard our society shows for rape victims and the privilege of white males and athletes. "20 minutes of action" indeed.

His own letter showed a lot more personal responsibility than Emily Doe's letter did. He's now a convicted criminal on the sex offender registry, she's officially the wounded victim who is waiting for him to pay her back some day. Brock's life has turned into a living nightmare. He never wants to drink again. Ever. He has lost everything over this. Things went from being fun to ruined in a night. Quite literally. He made a horrible, terrible mistake that has taken away everything that he has worked for. He is remorseful for it. If he could take back everything that he did that night. If he could unmeet Emily Doe - he would do it.

His parents and friends are still reeling from what has happened to this promising young man. How can someone so smart and funny and carefree and capable do something so stupid and hurtful? Not just to Emily Doe but to himself. Why did this happen? Why?

The more I read about this case the more I understand the relatively light sentencing suggestion from the PO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He's been banned from USA Swimming: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-stanford-swimmer-brock-turner-banned-for-life-by-usa-swimming/

Good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Best commentary I've read on the subject "She knew what she was doing by having a vagina on a Friday night."

I mean, if she didn't want it, she should have left her vagina at home. Really irresponsible.

[Anonymous]

The NYDN piece comparing a similar case makes this sentencing even more disgusting, if that is possible:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-brock-turner-cory-batey-show-race-affects-sentencing-article-1.2664945

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Best commentary I've read on the subject "She knew what she was doing by having a vagina on a Friday night."

I mean, if she didn't want it, she should have left her vagina at home. Really irresponsible.

What a dumb comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Best commentary I've read on the subject "She knew what she was doing by having a vagina on a Friday night."

I mean, if she didn't want it, she should have left her vagina at home. Really irresponsible.

What a dumb comment.

I'm pretty sure this was sarcastic.

[Anonymous]

Rape culture: When a man is caught IN THE ACT OF ASSAULTING A WOMAN, and people still try to say that deep down, he's not that bad. And she was probably asking for it anyway.