2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:USN ranking is very suspect when it lists Princeton as first. Just the fact that Eating Clubs are so entrenched in their culture makes you wonder. Social mobility? What a joke.

My kid goes there, I don't know that I would say the Eating Clubs are "so entrenched". Plenty of people do not join and many of the eating clubs are open to everyone.
Also Princeton has pretty amazing financial aid (all grant no loans, and any family <100k income gets financial aid). They really do try to use their resources to help families.
Of course there is still extreme wealth but that's life anywhere in the world of elite colleges.
Princeton stays high on lists because of an extreme focus on undergrads and teaching. It takes hard work to do well there.

That’s your opinion. Here’s another from an actual Princeton student.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2022/04/princeton-eating-clubs-bicker-uninclusive-discriminatory

An angry woke piece by a student in a student newspaper is not a source worth citing

Isn't that what the new thrust of USNWR ranking is about - social mobility

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Anonymous wrote:USN ranking is very suspect when it lists Princeton as first. Just the fact that Eating Clubs are so entrenched in their culture makes you wonder. Social mobility? What a joke.

My kid goes there, I don't know that I would say the Eating Clubs are "so entrenched". Plenty of people do not join and many of the eating clubs are open to everyone.
Also Princeton has pretty amazing financial aid (all grant no loans, and any family <100k income gets financial aid). They really do try to use their resources to help families.
Of course there is still extreme wealth but that's life anywhere in the world of elite colleges.
Princeton stays high on lists because of an extreme focus on undergrads and teaching. It takes hard work to do well there.

That’s your opinion. Here’s another from an actual Princeton student.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2022/04/princeton-eating-clubs-bicker-uninclusive-discriminatory

An angry woke piece by a student in a student newspaper is not a source worth citing

Isn't that what the new thrust of USNWR ranking is about - social mobility

Social mobility related factors comprise around 10% of the ranking, at most. One could argue graduation rates for first gen and Pell grants say less about social mobility and more about the advising system at the school, retention, etc that apply broadly to all students

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USN ranking is very suspect when it lists Princeton as first. Just the fact that Eating Clubs are so entrenched in their culture makes you wonder. Social mobility? What a joke.

My kid goes there, I don't know that I would say the Eating Clubs are "so entrenched". Plenty of people do not join and many of the eating clubs are open to everyone.
Also Princeton has pretty amazing financial aid (all grant no loans, and any family <100k income gets financial aid). They really do try to use their resources to help families.
Of course there is still extreme wealth but that's life anywhere in the world of elite colleges.
Princeton stays high on lists because of an extreme focus on undergrads and teaching. It takes hard work to do well there.

That’s your opinion. Here’s another from an actual Princeton student.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2022/04/princeton-eating-clubs-bicker-uninclusive-discriminatory

Just read the article.

ew.. that practice is horrible. Princeton sounds like a horrible place. Beautiful campus, though.

No one is forcing you to send your kid there, I guess. They don’t need your kid.

And what exactly is Greek rush like? Or country club applications? Or professional clubs and societies? Or private school admissions for middle and high school? It’s all the same but you certainly don’t have to play the game.

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Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

++10000000
Sour grapes for most of those who doth protest most angrily

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Anonymous wrote:Alright, let's do a proper list.

MIT
Princeton
Stanford
Harvard
CalTech
Duke
Yale
Penn
Chicago
Rice
Northwestern
Brown
Vanderbilt
Michigan
Berkeley
Johns Hopkins
Columbia
UCLA
Dartmouth
Williams
Notre Dame
Swarthmore
Cornell
Annapolis
Amherst
West Point
Bowdoin
Pomona
Georgetown

Nothing else matters

Nope, only Harvard matters. The rest are fillers

If you include other assets beyond what is strictly managed endowment management company wise, Stanford actually has more $$ than Harvard (by a few billion too) and has been even more selective. In the 2030s, we might be saying that only Stanford matters. It is a little crazy to think that the two most sought after schools might be outside the Ivy League. That would have been unthinkable even in the 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

You must be related to Princeton in some way.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

If I had to pick a representative thesis to show how deranged posters are here, “well actually, Princeton sucks” would be a very strong contender.

Not “it’s not for everyone, maybe your kid will like Yale better” but straight-up “they aren’t that good at their job.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

Correct, generally Yale has many peers

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people still arguing about this ranking? It doesn't matter what the rankings say everyone knows washu, Emory and northeastern are superior to any state school

Northeastern? WashU and Emory are the same as Berkeley