DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Please give it a rest. I don't know that many girls going for DA, especially in MD. Bethesda is not losing players to DA and even if they lose one or two, that does not impact the rest of the team. DA is a great option but don't try to oversell the experience. I doubt any of the DA teams could beat a strong Bethesda, McLean or Loudon ECNL.

Give what a rest. You're worried about your daughters team collapsing as kids flee for DA?

VA clubs were mentioned but reading comprehension is overrated. ECNL teams in VA for 04 and below are weakening. They were already weak anyways.

LOUDOUN ECNL doesn't even exist...they all went DA. Such a clown with no knowledge base. Stay north of the Potomac.

What do you mean Loudoun ECNL doesn't exist. It does. What do you mean they all went to DA? Which age group?

LOUDOUN ECNL has a team? Who they play?

Best player went FCV DA...execpt those who couldn't break in...such as older kids

Last I checked they were accepted to ECNL and had tryouts. So, not sure what you mean. You go from they all went to DA to best player went to FCV DA. Stop contradicting yourself. Plus, if you know real futbol, which obviously you don't, one player does not make it or break for any team.

Put it this way, none of the Loudoun Girls who were given a choice between DA or staying Loudoun for ECNL chose ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Clubs dont leave DA because it's bad. They leave because it's too financially burdensome for them to meet USSF standards. A club leaving DA has nothing to do with the kids. It wasn't a decesion made for the kids. It's a decesion based on revenue stream.

[Anonymous]

So let's stop acting as if a club leaving DA means anything otherwise. You know what USSF will do...theyll give the DA to a nearby club, take all the Hawks players, and rebrand them as Michingan FC...and the kids will go.

USSF will not lose this battle. The USSF will not run the 2nd tier league. Get a grip

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting - Michigan Hawks dropping out of DA and indicate that other top clubs are also following suit.
https://www.michiganwolveshawks.com/

Two of the rumored clubs are FC Stars and PDA - those are no small minnows . . .
http://www.talking-soccer.com/TS4/showthread.php?t=152170

I followed the Hawks link and fail to see anything mentioning that the club is leaving DA.???

Interesting . . . it is gone . . . they had a 4/16 article on their page indicating they were not continuing and saying their top two teams would be playing ECNL

Maybe they suddenly realized it's got put out there too early?

Maybe they realized they just lost their player pool

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting - Michigan Hawks dropping out of DA and indicate that other top clubs are also following suit.
https://www.michiganwolveshawks.com/

Two of the rumored clubs are FC Stars and PDA - those are no small minnows . . .
http://www.talking-soccer.com/TS4/showthread.php?t=152170

I followed the Hawks link and fail to see anything mentioning that the club is leaving DA.???

Interesting . . . it is gone . . . they had a 4/16 article on their page indicating they were not continuing and saying their top two teams would be playing ECNL

Maybe they suddenly realized it's got put out there too early?

Maybe they realized they just lost their player pool

Michigan Hawks is a very high level club so they're not losing their player pool as a result of moving out of the DA.

I do believe an early poster hit on the true reason some clubs are leaving and that's money not the players' best interests. While the DA may expand into more age groups in the future, right now, there are only four teams between U14 and U19 vs 6 in an ECNL club. Even if the club has other lower level teams in the same age group, it's still a hit on their finances, and that equates to less money to pay the club's TD, coaching director, etc. So guess which way they'll vote when the club reevaluates DA vs. ECNL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting - Michigan Hawks dropping out of DA and indicate that other top clubs are also following suit.
https://www.michiganwolveshawks.com/

Two of the rumored clubs are FC Stars and PDA - those are no small minnows . . .
http://www.talking-soccer.com/TS4/showthread.php?t=152170

I followed the Hawks link and fail to see anything mentioning that the club is leaving DA.???

Interesting . . . it is gone . . . they had a 4/16 article on their page indicating they were not continuing and saying their top two teams would be playing ECNL

Maybe they suddenly realized it's got put out there too early?

Maybe they realized they just lost their player pool

Michigan Hawks is a very high level club so they're not losing their player pool as a result of moving out of the DA.

I do believe an early poster hit on the true reason some clubs are leaving and that's money not the players' best interests. While the DA may expand into more age groups in the future, right now, there are only four teams between U14 and U19 vs 6 in an ECNL club. Even if the club has other lower level teams in the same age group, it's still a hit on their finances, and that equates to less money to pay the club's TD, coaching director, etc. So guess which way they'll vote when the club reevaluates DA vs. ECNL.

ECNL..no doubt. USSF better figure it out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting - Michigan Hawks dropping out of DA and indicate that other top clubs are also following suit.
https://www.michiganwolveshawks.com/

Two of the rumored clubs are FC Stars and PDA - those are no small minnows . . .
http://www.talking-soccer.com/TS4/showthread.php?t=152170

I followed the Hawks link and fail to see anything mentioning that the club is leaving DA.???

Interesting . . . it is gone . . . they had a 4/16 article on their page indicating they were not continuing and saying their top two teams would be playing ECNL

Maybe they suddenly realized it's got put out there too early?

Maybe they realized they just lost their player pool

Michigan Hawks is a very high level club so they're not losing their player pool as a result of moving out of the DA.

I do believe an early poster hit on the true reason some clubs are leaving and that's money not the players' best interests. While the DA may expand into more age groups in the future, right now, there are only four teams between U14 and U19 vs 6 in an ECNL club. Even if the club has other lower level teams in the same age group, it's still a hit on their finances, and that equates to less money to pay the club's TD, coaching director, etc. So guess which way they'll vote when the club reevaluates DA vs. ECNL.

ECNL..no doubt. USSF better figure it out.

Until USSF / GDA eliminates the combination age groups for team formation, removes the HS restriction, and reduces their fees (e.g. Spirit at $5K) - they will not achieve the level of adoption desired. In business - any business, it takes time to unseat a firmly entrenched competitor. This is no different. Boys DA took 5-10 years to build up - and they had no real national level competition. Now, that does not mean GDA will not have many good players / clubs - No. they do and will. But, they wont be the dominant force as long as they have perceived negatives from a sizable piece of their potential customer base. Also, as long as major clubs like Michigan Hawks leave and other strong clubs join ECNL like Seattle United just did yesterday, it hurts / slows their efforts
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The Hawks Letter to Parents of Michigan Hawks GDA players:

Michigan Hawks Players and Families

After several months of discussion, we have decided that the Michigan Hawks will not play in the US Development Academy League in 2018-2019. We will commit our first and second team into the ECNL for this next season, joining several other top clubs across the country who are doing the same. We believe that the ECNL platform will allow us to address the game day needs of all of our players by placing us against the most competitive regional competition possible. This decision will only affect the Hawks. The Wolves’ programming for the boys—including the Development Academy—will carry on in the same way that has this year.

Furthermore, next year we will be adding to our training by increasing the amount of film study and GPS usage. That coupled with the Medsport program that will address performance, prevention and return to play of our players, we are confident that our players will continue to move forward.

There are risks involved with making this decision much like when we implemented 10-month programming. But, after weighing out the pros and cons, I believe that this is the right decision for our players and our club. It will be up to us, players, parents, and staff to make this work

Their presentation of their club for those who care to review it:
http://hawks.soccer/wp-content/uploads/Information-meeting-April-2018.pdf

[Anonymous]

Holy ish....

It has nothing to do with the price tag parents pay. It has to do with the requirements the Clubs must meet to have DA. Plus it has to do with their loss of revenue with having less teams and loss of decesion making freedom. NOTHING was decided for the betterment of the children. They don't put it up for a vote. They don't care about your opinion.

Puppets.

Every club talking about leaving DA fields both DA and ECNL teams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting - Michigan Hawks dropping out of DA and indicate that other top clubs are also following suit.
https://www.michiganwolveshawks.com/

Two of the rumored clubs are FC Stars and PDA - those are no small minnows . . .
http://www.talking-soccer.com/TS4/showthread.php?t=152170

I followed the Hawks link and fail to see anything mentioning that the club is leaving DA.???

Interesting . . . it is gone . . . they had a 4/16 article on their page indicating they were not continuing and saying their top two teams would be playing ECNL

Maybe they suddenly realized it's got put out there too early?

Maybe they realized they just lost their player pool

Michigan Hawks is a very high level club so they're not losing their player pool as a result of moving out of the DA.

I do believe an early poster hit on the true reason some clubs are leaving and that's money not the players' best interests. While the DA may expand into more age groups in the future, right now, there are only four teams between U14 and U19 vs 6 in an ECNL club. Even if the club has other lower level teams in the same age group, it's still a hit on their finances, and that equates to less money to pay the club's TD, coaching director, etc. So guess which way they'll vote when the club reevaluates DA vs. ECNL.

ECNL..no doubt. USSF better figure it out.

Until USSF / GDA eliminates the combination age groups for team formation, removes the HS restriction, and reduces their fees (e.g. Spirit at $5K) - they will not achieve the level of adoption desired. In business - any business, it takes time to unseat a firmly entrenched competitor. This is no different. Boys DA took 5-10 years to build up - and they had no real national level competition. Now, that does not mean GDA will not have many good players / clubs - No. they do and will. But, they wont be the dominant force as long as they have perceived negatives from a sizable piece of their potential customer base. Also, as long as major clubs like Michigan Hawks leave and other strong clubs join ECNL like Seattle United just did yesterday, it hurts / slows their efforts
.
The Hawks Letter to Parents of Michigan Hawks GDA players:

Michigan Hawks Players and Families

After several months of discussion, we have decided that the Michigan Hawks will not play in the US Development Academy League in 2018-2019. We will commit our first and second team into the ECNL for this next season, joining several other top clubs across the country who are doing the same. We believe that the ECNL platform will allow us to address the game day needs of all of our players by placing us against the most competitive regional competition possible. This decision will only affect the Hawks. The Wolves’ programming for the boys—including the Development Academy—will carry on in the same way that has this year.

Furthermore, next year we will be adding to our training by increasing the amount of film study and GPS usage. That coupled with the Medsport program that will address performance, prevention and return to play of our players, we are confident that our players will continue to move forward.

There are risks involved with making this decision much like when we implemented 10-month programming. But, after weighing out the pros and cons, I believe that this is the right decision for our players and our club. It will be up to us, players, parents, and staff to make this work

Their presentation of their club for those who care to review it:
http://hawks.soccer/wp-content/uploads/Information-meeting-April-2018.pdf

What a waste of paper. Just say we are playing ECNL and here is our division. Bunch of fluff with one page of useful info.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting - Michigan Hawks dropping out of DA and indicate that other top clubs are also following suit.
https://www.michiganwolveshawks.com/

Two of the rumored clubs are FC Stars and PDA - those are no small minnows . . .
http://www.talking-soccer.com/TS4/showthread.php?t=152170

I followed the Hawks link and fail to see anything mentioning that the club is leaving DA.???

Interesting . . . it is gone . . . they had a 4/16 article on their page indicating they were not continuing and saying their top two teams would be playing ECNL

Maybe they suddenly realized it's got put out there too early?

Maybe they realized they just lost their player pool

Michigan Hawks is a very high level club so they're not losing their player pool as a result of moving out of the DA.

I do believe an early poster hit on the true reason some clubs are leaving and that's money not the players' best interests. While the DA may expand into more age groups in the future, right now, there are only four teams between U14 and U19 vs 6 in an ECNL club. Even if the club has other lower level teams in the same age group, it's still a hit on their finances, and that equates to less money to pay the club's TD, coaching director, etc. So guess which way they'll vote when the club reevaluates DA vs. ECNL.

ECNL..no doubt. USSF better figure it out.

Until USSF / GDA eliminates the combination age groups for team formation, removes the HS restriction, and reduces their fees (e.g. Spirit at $5K) - they will not achieve the level of adoption desired. In business - any business, it takes time to unseat a firmly entrenched competitor. This is no different. Boys DA took 5-10 years to build up - and they had no real national level competition. Now, that does not mean GDA will not have many good players / clubs - No. they do and will. But, they wont be the dominant force as long as they have perceived negatives from a sizable piece of their potential customer base. Also, as long as major clubs like Michigan Hawks leave and other strong clubs join ECNL like Seattle United just did yesterday, it hurts / slows their efforts
.
The Hawks Letter to Parents of Michigan Hawks GDA players:

Michigan Hawks Players and Families

After several months of discussion, we have decided that the Michigan Hawks will not play in the US Development Academy League in 2018-2019. We will commit our first and second team into the ECNL for this next season, joining several other top clubs across the country who are doing the same. We believe that the ECNL platform will allow us to address the game day needs of all of our players by placing us against the most competitive regional competition possible. This decision will only affect the Hawks. The Wolves’ programming for the boys—including the Development Academy—will carry on in the same way that has this year.

Furthermore, next year we will be adding to our training by increasing the amount of film study and GPS usage. That coupled with the Medsport program that will address performance, prevention and return to play of our players, we are confident that our players will continue to move forward.

There are risks involved with making this decision much like when we implemented 10-month programming. But, after weighing out the pros and cons, I believe that this is the right decision for our players and our club. It will be up to us, players, parents, and staff to make this work

Their presentation of their club for those who care to review it:
http://hawks.soccer/wp-content/uploads/Information-meeting-April-2018.pdf

What a waste of paper. Just say we are playing ECNL and here is our division. Bunch of fluff with one page of useful info.

Spoken from a truly knowledgeable commentator who does not run a club or coach or deal with parents. Clearly you have greater knowledge than the entire staff of the Michigan team who has DA for boys and now ECNL girls and clearly is wasteful in you mind. Please, reveal your identity so we can bask in your glorious intelligence and ensure a local club hires you to run club operations or perhaps communications. We beg of you. Reveal yourself thy wise and all knowing soccer god of NOVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting - Michigan Hawks dropping out of DA and indicate that other top clubs are also following suit.
https://www.michiganwolveshawks.com/

Two of the rumored clubs are FC Stars and PDA - those are no small minnows . . .
http://www.talking-soccer.com/TS4/showthread.php?t=152170

I followed the Hawks link and fail to see anything mentioning that the club is leaving DA.???

Interesting . . . it is gone . . . they had a 4/16 article on their page indicating they were not continuing and saying their top two teams would be playing ECNL

Maybe they suddenly realized it's got put out there too early?

Maybe they realized they just lost their player pool

Michigan Hawks is a very high level club so they're not losing their player pool as a result of moving out of the DA.

I do believe an early poster hit on the true reason some clubs are leaving and that's money not the players' best interests. While the DA may expand into more age groups in the future, right now, there are only four teams between U14 and U19 vs 6 in an ECNL club. Even if the club has other lower level teams in the same age group, it's still a hit on their finances, and that equates to less money to pay the club's TD, coaching director, etc. So guess which way they'll vote when the club reevaluates DA vs. ECNL.

ECNL..no doubt. USSF better figure it out.

Until USSF / GDA eliminates the combination age groups for team formation, removes the HS restriction, and reduces their fees (e.g. Spirit at $5K) - they will not achieve the level of adoption desired. In business - any business, it takes time to unseat a firmly entrenched competitor. This is no different. Boys DA took 5-10 years to build up - and they had no real national level competition. Now, that does not mean GDA will not have many good players / clubs - No. they do and will. But, they wont be the dominant force as long as they have perceived negatives from a sizable piece of their potential customer base. Also, as long as major clubs like Michigan Hawks leave and other strong clubs join ECNL like Seattle United just did yesterday, it hurts / slows their efforts
.
The Hawks Letter to Parents of Michigan Hawks GDA players:

Michigan Hawks Players and Families

After several months of discussion, we have decided that the Michigan Hawks will not play in the US Development Academy League in 2018-2019. We will commit our first and second team into the ECNL for this next season, joining several other top clubs across the country who are doing the same. We believe that the ECNL platform will allow us to address the game day needs of all of our players by placing us against the most competitive regional competition possible. This decision will only affect the Hawks. The Wolves’ programming for the boys—including the Development Academy—will carry on in the same way that has this year.

Furthermore, next year we will be adding to our training by increasing the amount of film study and GPS usage. That coupled with the Medsport program that will address performance, prevention and return to play of our players, we are confident that our players will continue to move forward.

There are risks involved with making this decision much like when we implemented 10-month programming. But, after weighing out the pros and cons, I believe that this is the right decision for our players and our club. It will be up to us, players, parents, and staff to make this work

Their presentation of their club for those who care to review it:
http://hawks.soccer/wp-content/uploads/Information-meeting-April-2018.pdf

What a waste of paper. Just say we are playing ECNL and here is our division. Bunch of fluff with one page of useful info.

Spoken from a truly knowledgeable commentator who does not run a club or coach or deal with parents. Clearly you have greater knowledge than the entire staff of the Michigan team who has DA for boys and now ECNL girls and clearly is wasteful in you mind. Please, reveal your identity so we can bask in your glorious intelligence and ensure a local club hires you to run club operations or perhaps communications. We beg of you. Reveal yourself thy wise and all knowing soccer god of NOVA.

Who TF are you? Reveal yourself. Are you the Loudoun coach who came from Michigan. Because you sound both like a coach and a Michigan hawks guy. ....and a ECNL guy...hummm

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Easy search

FCV DA- 23 games this year
Mclean u16 ECNL - 14 games this year

9 games difference?

What's that? 3 separate tournaments to catch up? What's the added cost that ECNL leaves off to seem more fiscally competitive.

Thank you. My DD in ECNL played 44 competitive games this year (league games plus ECNL Florida showcase and other showcase tournaments). She never played more than 1 game in a day. Please explain how the PP's statement that DA plays twice as many games as ECNL is true.

Cost is a separate debate that I frankly don't care about.

So your daughter played 14 league games and 30 tournament/showcase games so far this year. You sure about that?

That's like 10 showcases in a year?

You are close... 8 showcases, plus the ECNL playoffs. Total of 30 tournament games and 14 league games. So is you DA team playing twice as many games (88 games) as my kid's ECNL team (as the PP claimed)?

[Anonymous]

The whole point of the DA is to play fewer games with more quality. Why would the DA schedule more games than ECNL. You pepole are hopeless.

[Anonymous]

It would be great to get some feedback on this board from VDA girls parents about how they feel about the change from DA to ECNL. Good? Bad? Don’t care?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The whole point of the DA is to play fewer games with more quality. Why would the DA schedule more games than ECNL. You pepole are hopeless.

More quality.....funny