Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

no he doesn’t. That’s probably one of the dumbest allegations in the complaint and the one that really tipped me towards believing she exaggerated or fabricated everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

I'm not the person you asked, but the only person on that list I "don't like" is Ariana Grande, and that's because she licked a bunch of donuts. But if I met her I might feel differently. And certainly I wouldn't use the donut-licking incident to say she couldn't be the victim of SH. I'm not even sure what you're going for with this list? You could certainly start a "hate" thread of any given celebrity and get takers. Because there are over 8 billion people on Earth.

You're not sure what I'm going for? Every one of those women have been torn to shreds by the media. Most of them have hundred+ page threads devoted to talking crap about them here on this forum. That is what I am going for. If you don't even understand what that list signifies then you don't understand my point and have not been paying attention. I could NOT name a list of men NEARLY as long that have threads like that devoting to tearing them apart. And here we are, just adding another woman to the list.

I think you need some oxygen or failing that, remunerative employment where reading is required.

To PP, which women are torn to shreds? Who? Women who lie and manipulate? Fine, we can also start a thread on similar men, go ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

I'm not the person you asked, but the only person on that list I "don't like" is Ariana Grande, and that's because she licked a bunch of donuts. But if I met her I might feel differently. And certainly I wouldn't use the donut-licking incident to say she couldn't be the victim of SH. I'm not even sure what you're going for with this list? You could certainly start a "hate" thread of any given celebrity and get takers. Because there are over 8 billion people on Earth.

You're not sure what I'm going for? Every one of those women have been torn to shreds by the media. Most of them have hundred+ page threads devoted to talking crap about them here on this forum. That is what I am going for. If you don't even understand what that list signifies then you don't understand my point and have not been paying attention. I could NOT name a list of men NEARLY as long that have threads like that devoting to tearing them apart. And here we are, just adding another woman to the list.

I think you need some oxygen or failing that, remunerative employment where reading is required.

Remunerative is somewhat redundant of the word employment

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

You and PP truly need to grow up.

The tide turned once people read the same texts and descriptions of conditions on set in Baldoni’s complaint. It is eminently reasonable to conclude that Lively’s initial claims were false. There are no pitchforks, just women who are not going to be tutted at by you and PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

I'm not the person you asked, but the only person on that list I "don't like" is Ariana Grande, and that's because she licked a bunch of donuts. But if I met her I might feel differently. And certainly I wouldn't use the donut-licking incident to say she couldn't be the victim of SH. I'm not even sure what you're going for with this list? You could certainly start a "hate" thread of any given celebrity and get takers. Because there are over 8 billion people on Earth.

You're not sure what I'm going for? Every one of those women have been torn to shreds by the media. Most of them have hundred+ page threads devoted to talking crap about them here on this forum. That is what I am going for. If you don't even understand what that list signifies then you don't understand my point and have not been paying attention. I could NOT name a list of men NEARLY as long that have threads like that devoting to tearing them apart. And here we are, just adding another woman to the list.

I think you need some oxygen or failing that, remunerative employment where reading is required.

Remunerative is somewhat redundant of the word employment

Not very feminist to not understand that labor is quite often unpaid. Silvia Federici would be disappointed in you.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

I'm not the person you asked, but the only person on that list I "don't like" is Ariana Grande, and that's because she licked a bunch of donuts. But if I met her I might feel differently. And certainly I wouldn't use the donut-licking incident to say she couldn't be the victim of SH. I'm not even sure what you're going for with this list? You could certainly start a "hate" thread of any given celebrity and get takers. Because there are over 8 billion people on Earth.

You're not sure what I'm going for? Every one of those women have been torn to shreds by the media. Most of them have hundred+ page threads devoted to talking crap about them here on this forum. That is what I am going for. If you don't even understand what that list signifies then you don't understand my point and have not been paying attention. I could NOT name a list of men NEARLY as long that have threads like that devoting to tearing them apart. And here we are, just adding another woman to the list.

I think you need some oxygen or failing that, remunerative employment where reading is required.

To PP, which women are torn to shreds? Who? Women who lie and manipulate? Fine, we can also start a thread on similar men, go ahead.

See guys, the call is comign from inside the house!

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

You could not be more wrong but good job trying to silence contrary viewpoints by claiming they all represent the worst extreme.

I started out thinking Lively had a strong case until the other side started coming out and it started to fall apart for her.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

Just watch the interview with the Norwegian journalist a few times. Does she strike you as a kind, trustworthy, amenable individual? Sure, a rotten person like her could have been SH, but she wasn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

I'm not the person you asked, but the only person on that list I "don't like" is Ariana Grande, and that's because she licked a bunch of donuts. But if I met her I might feel differently. And certainly I wouldn't use the donut-licking incident to say she couldn't be the victim of SH. I'm not even sure what you're going for with this list? You could certainly start a "hate" thread of any given celebrity and get takers. Because there are over 8 billion people on Earth.

You're not sure what I'm going for? Every one of those women have been torn to shreds by the media. Most of them have hundred+ page threads devoted to talking crap about them here on this forum. That is what I am going for. If you don't even understand what that list signifies then you don't understand my point and have not been paying attention. I could NOT name a list of men NEARLY as long that have threads like that devoting to tearing them apart. And here we are, just adding another woman to the list.

I think you need some oxygen or failing that, remunerative employment where reading is required.

Remunerative is somewhat redundant of the word employment

Not very feminist to not understand that labor is quite often unpaid. Silvia Federici would be disappointed in you.

You didn't say labor, you said EMPLOYMENT

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

Just watch the interview with the Norwegian journalist a few times. Does she strike you as a kind, trustworthy, amenable individual? Sure, a rotten person like her could have been SH, but she wasn’t.

Dog whistles, coded language, sexism oh my!

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

You could not be more wrong but good job trying to silence contrary viewpoints by claiming they all represent the worst extreme.

I started out thinking Lively had a strong case until the other side started coming out and it started to fall apart for her.

Yes. PPs act like having the ability to read makes other women into Andrew Tates. Rather tiresome and argumentative.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

I don't think it's weird at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

I don't think it's weird at all.

Well in that situation the only person who's opinion on whether or not its weird that MATTERS is the person who will be naked with said dude's head between her legs. And it sounds like her wishes were not honored based on the final cut.