Who do you think is going to win and why?

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Anonymous wrote:This guy makes some very good points.

The black swan event was MSG

Nobody is changing their vote because some comedian many people have never heard of made a bad joke hours before Trump took the stage.

This isn't about changing votes at this point. Everybody has made their choice and millions have actually already voted. It's getting out the vote.

For the millions and millions and millions that already know Trump is a jackass, this helps seal the deal that they need to get out there and vote about it.

I actually do think the "jokes" about Latinos and Puerto Rico could actually sway votes.

It's easy if those comments are not about you or your home to say "whatever, it was just a joke and Trump didn't actually say it." If those comments are ABOUT you, or about where you grew up or where your family lives, it's not possible to do that.

I think there are Puerto Ricans and Latinos who were planning to vote for Trump for economic reasons who will now change to Harris or not vote because they are too personally offended. Those jokes were really egregious. I think they are enough to sway votes.

Do you know a lot of Hispanic and Latino families? This is being widely talked about but I’m not sure it’s changing votes the way you think. Spanish-speaking humor and jokes in Mexico and in other parts of Latin America can be dark and borderline offensive. There are a lot of Latinos who think mainstream Americans have become too weak and lacking in humor, and are too easily offended. I am just not sure this is the black swan event that a lot of Harris voters want, and I am a Harris voter.

He’s daring people to vote for him by testing the waters.

He’s insulted women.
He’s insulted Blacks.
He’s insulted Latinos.
He’s insulted people with disabilities.
He’s insulted Haitians.
He’s insulted Puerto Ricans.
He’s insulted veterans.
He’s insulted disabled veterans.
He’s insulted POWs.
He’s insulted low-income white men (fat p-igs).

If people aren’t offended by that, by all means prove his point that he’s better than you.

Yeah, he sometimes writes mean tweets. Who cares? People who don’t have thin skin don’t get their panties into a bunch like you do.

Please, Trump has the thinnest skin of all. If you can’t believe the mean tweets, what can you believe? How could you possibly vote for him if everything is a joke or a lie or taken out of context?

Such an ostrich. More bread for you.

[Anonymous]

I didn’t vote for Trump, yet I am nervous if Harris wins. Sure, she and Walz are very earnest, sincere public servants, but I don’t think that’s enough to lead the US and deal with foreign leaders.

We need someone with a backbone of steel. Hillary could easily have handled it. Harris/Walz are way too soft.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This guy makes some very good points.

The black swan event was MSG

Nobody is changing their vote because some comedian many people have never heard of made a bad joke hours before Trump took the stage.

This isn't about changing votes at this point. Everybody has made their choice and millions have actually already voted. It's getting out the vote.

For the millions and millions and millions that already know Trump is a jackass, this helps seal the deal that they need to get out there and vote about it.

I actually do think the "jokes" about Latinos and Puerto Rico could actually sway votes.

It's easy if those comments are not about you or your home to say "whatever, it was just a joke and Trump didn't actually say it." If those comments are ABOUT you, or about where you grew up or where your family lives, it's not possible to do that.

I think there are Puerto Ricans and Latinos who were planning to vote for Trump for economic reasons who will now change to Harris or not vote because they are too personally offended. Those jokes were really egregious. I think they are enough to sway votes.

Do you know a lot of Hispanic and Latino families? This is being widely talked about but I’m not sure it’s changing votes the way you think. Spanish-speaking humor and jokes in Mexico and in other parts of Latin America can be dark and borderline offensive. There are a lot of Latinos who think mainstream Americans have become too weak and lacking in humor, and are too easily offended. I am just not sure this is the black swan event that a lot of Harris voters want, and I am a Harris voter.

He’s daring people to vote for him by testing the waters.

He’s insulted women.
He’s insulted Blacks.
He’s insulted Latinos.
He’s insulted people with disabilities.
He’s insulted Haitians.
He’s insulted Puerto Ricans.
He’s insulted veterans.
He’s insulted disabled veterans.
He’s insulted POWs.
He’s insulted low-income white men (fat p-igs).

If people aren’t offended by that, by all means prove his point that he’s better than you.

Look, you cannot demand people be offended. In fact that usually really backfires. The Democrats are leaning in on this — which reeks of desperation — but they risk making Trump more attractive, not less attractive.

The better response would have been to do a metaphorical eye roll and mercilessly mock the Republicans for being so desperate they had to hire a comedian who was so bad he resorted to unfunny insults. By leaning into the offensive aspects and not the “my God you must be desperate” aspects, it legitimizes the “party of rebellion” message that Trump had been selling.

The Democrats continually struggle with letting their speech totalitarianism side leak out too much, and this is not an exception. I just don’t think this is going to have the impact that Harris voters want. I’m a Harris voter but this top-down message of controlling speech is a loser for Democrats (except the extreme leftists who would love to entirely control all speech forever).

I do think Harris will win, because of a better GOTV campaign in swing states, but I don’t think leaning hard into how offensive Trump is will work. It hasn’t before and it’s not going to work now. People know he is an offensive jerk. For many voters, that is literally his appeal.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris will win. Men keep underestimating women's ability to unite. Women's support for Harris in my opinion is undercounted by the polls.

Trump can also win. We will find out in a week.

Women support each other since when?

I'm a woman and I'm voting trump. Just because she is a woman doesn't mean women have to support her. PP has this all wrong.

why?

Abortion is just not at the top of the list of things that impact a woman's every day life. Most women will never need or want one. The Dems have put all their eggs in the abortion basket, thinking that is the road to victory. That was a terrible mistake. The women that think abortion is a huge issue are already voting Democrat. Abortion isn't pulling over any other voters.

Correction- ( if republicans get their way ) almost all people will be impacted by reproductive healthcare bans in some way during their life times.

Carry on.

I don't think some of these posters are really paying attention to the level of anger out here in voterland. The voters, women and men, have never had a right that stood for almost 50 years stripped away before. They are angry that their daughters and sisters and wives and mothers and aunts and friends and colleagues and neighbors are going to have less fundamental rights in their lives than we had in this country for 50 years. That has never happened before.

No they are not. That's only happening in your little angry liberal bubble.

Exactly!
“Those little ladies need to pipe down and keep sweet. Let the stronger, smarter men be the stewards of their decision making. MAGA men know what’s best for them.”

No, some of us can't even afford groceries. I need that fixed before I have time to worry about something that is most likely never going to impact me or my family

Good luck with that surprise ectopic pregnancy in your mid forties.

Oh and if Trump wins groceries are going to get a lot more expensive.

You want me to stress about something that has a less than 1% chance of happening? Really? That's going to convince me to change my vote?

You don't have any kids who will one day be trying for kids?

So weird that you're willing to give away your children's rights to pay $10 less for a bag of groceries.

PS - when the Trump Tariffs hit next year, that bag of groceries is going to cost $30 more than today. I've already booked marked this thread and set an Outlook reminder so I can bump it up.

PS- treatment for ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion and there are zero laws in any state preventing treatment.

This is flat out false. The primary means of ending an ectopic pregnancy is to use the medication Methotrexate. States like Indiana have banned this as a "medical abortion."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/state-abortion-bans-prevent-women-getting-essential-medication-2022-07-14/

Right from the statute

“Termination of an ectopic pregnancy is not considered abortion”

https://casetext.com/regulation/indiana-administrative-code/title-405-office-of-the-secretary-of-family-and-social-services/article-5-medicaid-services/rule-405-iac-5-28-medical-and-surgical-services/section-405-iac-5-28-7-abortion

And “Treatment of a missed miscarriage, septic abortion, inevitable miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, molar pregnancy, or any pregnancy where fetus has died in utero are not required to be submitted as terminated pregnancy reports.” In other words- these are legal treatments and NOT restricted abortions.

https://www.in.gov/health/cshcr/files/TPR-Submission-Guidance-2023-Aug-22.pdf


“The restrictions to Indiana’s abortion statute do not apply to IVF, miscarriages, or ectopic pregnancies. Access to contraceptives and emergency contraceptives (Plan B) remain unaffected”

[Anonymous]

The Lincoln Project can be a little eh for me, but they keep dropping ads and one that might speak to some people, secretly, is from a member of the Capitol Police who was attacked and hurt on January 6. I don’t know, but I think there are some law enforcement officers who had a switch flipped in them watching other police brutalized.

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Anonymous wrote:This guy makes some very good points.

The black swan event was MSG

Nobody is changing their vote because some comedian many people have never heard of made a bad joke hours before Trump took the stage.

This isn't about changing votes at this point. Everybody has made their choice and millions have actually already voted. It's getting out the vote.

For the millions and millions and millions that already know Trump is a jackass, this helps seal the deal that they need to get out there and vote about it.

I actually do think the "jokes" about Latinos and Puerto Rico could actually sway votes.

It's easy if those comments are not about you or your home to say "whatever, it was just a joke and Trump didn't actually say it." If those comments are ABOUT you, or about where you grew up or where your family lives, it's not possible to do that.

I think there are Puerto Ricans and Latinos who were planning to vote for Trump for economic reasons who will now change to Harris or not vote because they are too personally offended. Those jokes were really egregious. I think they are enough to sway votes.

Do you know a lot of Hispanic and Latino families? This is being widely talked about but I’m not sure it’s changing votes the way you think. Spanish-speaking humor and jokes in Mexico and in other parts of Latin America can be dark and borderline offensive. There are a lot of Latinos who think mainstream Americans have become too weak and lacking in humor, and are too easily offended. I am just not sure this is the black swan event that a lot of Harris voters want, and I am a Harris voter.

He’s daring people to vote for him by testing the waters.

He’s insulted women.
He’s insulted Blacks.
He’s insulted Latinos.
He’s insulted people with disabilities.
He’s insulted Haitians.
He’s insulted Puerto Ricans.
He’s insulted veterans.
He’s insulted disabled veterans.
He’s insulted POWs.
He’s insulted low-income white men (fat p-igs).

If people aren’t offended by that, by all means prove his point that he’s better than you.

Look, you cannot demand people be offended. In fact that usually really backfires. The Democrats are leaning in on this — which reeks of desperation — but they risk making Trump more attractive, not less attractive.

The better response would have been to do a metaphorical eye roll and mercilessly mock the Republicans for being so desperate they had to hire a comedian who was so bad he resorted to unfunny insults. By leaning into the offensive aspects and not the “my God you must be desperate” aspects, it legitimizes the “party of rebellion” message that Trump had been selling.

The Democrats continually struggle with letting their speech totalitarianism side leak out too much, and this is not an exception. I just don’t think this is going to have the impact that Harris voters want. I’m a Harris voter but this top-down message of controlling speech is a loser for Democrats (except the extreme leftists who would love to entirely control all speech forever).

I do think Harris will win, because of a better GOTV campaign in swing states, but I don’t think leaning hard into how offensive Trump is will work. It hasn’t before and it’s not going to work now. People know he is an offensive jerk. For many voters, that is literally his appeal.

Right! After reading that laundry list, I LOLd. Cos he is insulting everyone. Anyone left?

People who were on the fence could go either ways after this.

And I think the primary motivation for MSG rally was to get young American men to go to the polls. They respond to such humor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy makes some very good points.

The black swan event was MSG

Nobody is changing their vote because some comedian many people have never heard of made a bad joke hours before Trump took the stage.

This isn't about changing votes at this point. Everybody has made their choice and millions have actually already voted. It's getting out the vote.

For the millions and millions and millions that already know Trump is a jackass, this helps seal the deal that they need to get out there and vote about it.

I actually do think the "jokes" about Latinos and Puerto Rico could actually sway votes.

It's easy if those comments are not about you or your home to say "whatever, it was just a joke and Trump didn't actually say it." If those comments are ABOUT you, or about where you grew up or where your family lives, it's not possible to do that.

I think there are Puerto Ricans and Latinos who were planning to vote for Trump for economic reasons who will now change to Harris or not vote because they are too personally offended. Those jokes were really egregious. I think they are enough to sway votes.

Do you know a lot of Hispanic and Latino families? This is being widely talked about but I’m not sure it’s changing votes the way you think. Spanish-speaking humor and jokes in Mexico and in other parts of Latin America can be dark and borderline offensive. There are a lot of Latinos who think mainstream Americans have become too weak and lacking in humor, and are too easily offended. I am just not sure this is the black swan event that a lot of Harris voters want, and I am a Harris voter.

He’s daring people to vote for him by testing the waters.

He’s insulted women.
He’s insulted Blacks.
He’s insulted Latinos.
He’s insulted people with disabilities.
He’s insulted Haitians.
He’s insulted Puerto Ricans.
He’s insulted veterans.
He’s insulted disabled veterans.
He’s insulted POWs.
He’s insulted low-income white men (fat p-igs).

If people aren’t offended by that, by all means prove his point that he’s better than you.

Look, you cannot demand people be offended. In fact that usually really backfires. The Democrats are leaning in on this — which reeks of desperation — but they risk making Trump more attractive, not less attractive.

The better response would have been to do a metaphorical eye roll and mercilessly mock the Republicans for being so desperate they had to hire a comedian who was so bad he resorted to unfunny insults. By leaning into the offensive aspects and not the “my God you must be desperate” aspects, it legitimizes the “party of rebellion” message that Trump had been selling.

The Democrats continually struggle with letting their speech totalitarianism side leak out too much, and this is not an exception. I just don’t think this is going to have the impact that Harris voters want. I’m a Harris voter but this top-down message of controlling speech is a loser for Democrats (except the extreme leftists who would love to entirely control all speech forever).

I do think Harris will win, because of a better GOTV campaign in swing states, but I don’t think leaning hard into how offensive Trump is will work. It hasn’t before and it’s not going to work now. People know he is an offensive jerk. For many voters, that is literally his appeal.

THIS. I agree. The cruelty and racism and ‘fun’ is the point. So is attention at all costs. These guys are needy. They aren’t bad boys, they’re nobodies and they know it.

Signed - person with Puerto Rican heritage

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Anonymous wrote:Harris will win. Men keep underestimating women's ability to unite. Women's support for Harris in my opinion is undercounted by the polls.

Trump can also win. We will find out in a week.

Women support each other since when?

I'm a woman and I'm voting trump. Just because she is a woman doesn't mean women have to support her. PP has this all wrong.

why?

Abortion is just not at the top of the list of things that impact a woman's every day life. Most women will never need or want one. The Dems have put all their eggs in the abortion basket, thinking that is the road to victory. That was a terrible mistake. The women that think abortion is a huge issue are already voting Democrat. Abortion isn't pulling over any other voters.

Correction- ( if republicans get their way ) almost all people will be impacted by reproductive healthcare bans in some way during their life times.

Carry on.

I don't think some of these posters are really paying attention to the level of anger out here in voterland. The voters, women and men, have never had a right that stood for almost 50 years stripped away before. They are angry that their daughters and sisters and wives and mothers and aunts and friends and colleagues and neighbors are going to have less fundamental rights in their lives than we had in this country for 50 years. That has never happened before.

No they are not. That's only happening in your little angry liberal bubble.

Exactly!
“Those little ladies need to pipe down and keep sweet. Let the stronger, smarter men be the stewards of their decision making. MAGA men know what’s best for them.”

No, some of us can't even afford groceries. I need that fixed before I have time to worry about something that is most likely never going to impact me or my family

Good luck with that surprise ectopic pregnancy in your mid forties.

Oh and if Trump wins groceries are going to get a lot more expensive.

You want me to stress about something that has a less than 1% chance of happening? Really? That's going to convince me to change my vote?

You don't have any kids who will one day be trying for kids?

So weird that you're willing to give away your children's rights to pay $10 less for a bag of groceries.

PS - when the Trump Tariffs hit next year, that bag of groceries is going to cost $30 more than today. I've already booked marked this thread and set an Outlook reminder so I can bump it up.

PS- treatment for ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion and there are zero laws in any state preventing treatment.

This is flat out false. The primary means of ending an ectopic pregnancy is to use the medication Methotrexate. States like Indiana have banned this as a "medical abortion."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/state-abortion-bans-prevent-women-getting-essential-medication-2022-07-14/

Right from the statute

“Termination of an ectopic pregnancy is not considered abortion”

https://casetext.com/regulation/indiana-administrative-code/title-405-office-of-the-secretary-of-family-and-social-services/article-5-medicaid-services/rule-405-iac-5-28-medical-and-surgical-services/section-405-iac-5-28-7-abortion

And “Treatment of a missed miscarriage, septic abortion, inevitable miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, molar pregnancy, or any pregnancy where fetus has died in utero are not required to be submitted as terminated pregnancy reports.” In other words- these are legal treatments and NOT restricted abortions.

https://www.in.gov/health/cshcr/files/TPR-Submission-Guidance-2023-Aug-22.pdf


“The restrictions to Indiana’s abortion statute do not apply to IVF, miscarriages, or ectopic pregnancies. Access to contraceptives and emergency contraceptives (Plan B) remain unaffected”

Thank you for posting this. The desperate fear mongering is off the chain

[Anonymous]

To add to the above - I’m an old I guess and I remember in my youth, one of my BFFs telling me with delight that the hot mic capturing GWB calling a NYT reporter an a$$h%le would have to hurt him because who wants to elect someone so gross? And I was like uh no, this will make him ‘relatable’ to people you and I don’t hang with. It’s the same. Ooh, this army of chinless weaklings say terrible things, how edgy! It doesn’t work. GOTV and treating them as insignificant, engaging less with trolls, which is so hard for me personally, has to be the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy makes some very good points.

The black swan event was MSG

Nobody is changing their vote because some comedian many people have never heard of made a bad joke hours before Trump took the stage.

This isn't about changing votes at this point. Everybody has made their choice and millions have actually already voted. It's getting out the vote.

For the millions and millions and millions that already know Trump is a jackass, this helps seal the deal that they need to get out there and vote about it.

I actually do think the "jokes" about Latinos and Puerto Rico could actually sway votes.

It's easy if those comments are not about you or your home to say "whatever, it was just a joke and Trump didn't actually say it." If those comments are ABOUT you, or about where you grew up or where your family lives, it's not possible to do that.

I think there are Puerto Ricans and Latinos who were planning to vote for Trump for economic reasons who will now change to Harris or not vote because they are too personally offended. Those jokes were really egregious. I think they are enough to sway votes.

Do you know a lot of Hispanic and Latino families? This is being widely talked about but I’m not sure it’s changing votes the way you think. Spanish-speaking humor and jokes in Mexico and in other parts of Latin America can be dark and borderline offensive. There are a lot of Latinos who think mainstream Americans have become too weak and lacking in humor, and are too easily offended. I am just not sure this is the black swan event that a lot of Harris voters want, and I am a Harris voter.

He’s daring people to vote for him by testing the waters.

He’s insulted women.
He’s insulted Blacks.
He’s insulted Latinos.
He’s insulted people with disabilities.
He’s insulted Haitians.
He’s insulted Puerto Ricans.
He’s insulted veterans.
He’s insulted disabled veterans.
He’s insulted POWs.
He’s insulted low-income white men (fat p-igs).

If people aren’t offended by that, by all means prove his point that he’s better than you.

Look, you cannot demand people be offended. In fact that usually really backfires. The Democrats are leaning in on this — which reeks of desperation — but they risk making Trump more attractive, not less attractive.

The better response would have been to do a metaphorical eye roll and mercilessly mock the Republicans for being so desperate they had to hire a comedian who was so bad he resorted to unfunny insults. By leaning into the offensive aspects and not the “my God you must be desperate” aspects, it legitimizes the “party of rebellion” message that Trump had been selling.

The Democrats continually struggle with letting their speech totalitarianism side leak out too much, and this is not an exception. I just don’t think this is going to have the impact that Harris voters want. I’m a Harris voter but this top-down message of controlling speech is a loser for Democrats (except the extreme leftists who would love to entirely control all speech forever).

I do think Harris will win, because of a better GOTV campaign in swing states, but I don’t think leaning hard into how offensive Trump is will work. It hasn’t before and it’s not going to work now. People know he is an offensive jerk. For many voters, that is literally his appeal.

If calling out depravity, racism, lies is going to lose the election, then it’s ours to lose. When do you say it’s enough? Mean shouldn’t be a selling point, and while a metaphorical eye roll will be better, it could misfire and then the history books won’t represent we called it out. He’s gotten away with everything this far because people have been scared to draw a line in the sand or hold him accountable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harris will win. Men keep underestimating women's ability to unite. Women's support for Harris in my opinion is undercounted by the polls.

Trump can also win. We will find out in a week.

Women support each other since when?

I'm a woman and I'm voting trump. Just because she is a woman doesn't mean women have to support her. PP has this all wrong.

why?

Abortion is just not at the top of the list of things that impact a woman's every day life. Most women will never need or want one. The Dems have put all their eggs in the abortion basket, thinking that is the road to victory. That was a terrible mistake. The women that think abortion is a huge issue are already voting Democrat. Abortion isn't pulling over any other voters.

Correction- ( if republicans get their way ) almost all people will be impacted by reproductive healthcare bans in some way during their life times.

Carry on.

I don't think some of these posters are really paying attention to the level of anger out here in voterland. The voters, women and men, have never had a right that stood for almost 50 years stripped away before. They are angry that their daughters and sisters and wives and mothers and aunts and friends and colleagues and neighbors are going to have less fundamental rights in their lives than we had in this country for 50 years. That has never happened before.

No they are not. That's only happening in your little angry liberal bubble.

Exactly!
“Those little ladies need to pipe down and keep sweet. Let the stronger, smarter men be the stewards of their decision making. MAGA men know what’s best for them.”

No, some of us can't even afford groceries. I need that fixed before I have time to worry about something that is most likely never going to impact me or my family

Can you articulate Trump's plan for bringing down the price of groceries?

I am very happy to do so right after you honestly articulate why prices increased so much under Kamala's watch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harris will win. Men keep underestimating women's ability to unite. Women's support for Harris in my opinion is undercounted by the polls.

Trump can also win. We will find out in a week.

Women support each other since when?

I'm a woman and I'm voting trump. Just because she is a woman doesn't mean women have to support her. PP has this all wrong.

why?

Abortion is just not at the top of the list of things that impact a woman's every day life. Most women will never need or want one. The Dems have put all their eggs in the abortion basket, thinking that is the road to victory. That was a terrible mistake. The women that think abortion is a huge issue are already voting Democrat. Abortion isn't pulling over any other voters.

I think you're oversimplifying the effect of Dobbs. When Dobbs overturned RvW and allowed states to implement draconian abortion rules, it also meant that the states became more hostile to medical practitioners who provided women's health services including gynecologists and obstetricians. In some states, like Missouri, the last Planned Parenthood clinic closed. While they did provide abortions, abortions were actually not the most provided services and those other services are now lost in those states. So the abortion rulings mean that many people, both men and women, who needed birth control, STD testing and treatment, HIV testing and preventative treatment, cancer screenings and well-woman exams. This affects many people of both genders who need the free or near-free services that the clinic offered.

States that have such laws have seen women's health practitioners leaving their states. There are now deserts where there are very few women's health providers. This affects many women whether or not they need an abortion. When there are fewer gynecologists in your state and you have to wait months for appointments, it means that there are a lot more conditions that could have been easily treated if detected early, that are not caught and women will be having more serious complications more frequently. It means that there are fewer practitioners providing well-woman checkups. It means that it will be harder to get prescriptions for birth control, it means that when you or your family member need women's medical support, it will be harder to get.

This decision affects many thousands of people daily. People who have one night stands, people who found out their partner cheated, people who have an unusual medical condition that may be related to sexual contact, people who want to get birth control for their children, people who want to get protection or treatment for STDs all use those clinics routinely, women who cannot afford a doctor, but need a well woman checkup, people who need to be screened for cancer, all used the clinics that have closed or moved out of state.

Texas, Idaho, Oklahoma, Tennessse, North Carolina, Ohio and Florida are among the states that have seen a significant exodus of women's health practitioners leaving their states after their post-Dobbs decisions. Such practitioners find it almost impossible to do their jobs in their former state and find it easier to just move to another state to practice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harris will win. Men keep underestimating women's ability to unite. Women's support for Harris in my opinion is undercounted by the polls.

Trump can also win. We will find out in a week.

Women support each other since when?

I'm a woman and I'm voting trump. Just because she is a woman doesn't mean women have to support her. PP has this all wrong.

why?

Abortion is just not at the top of the list of things that impact a woman's every day life. Most women will never need or want one. The Dems have put all their eggs in the abortion basket, thinking that is the road to victory. That was a terrible mistake. The women that think abortion is a huge issue are already voting Democrat. Abortion isn't pulling over any other voters.

I think you're oversimplifying the effect of Dobbs. When Dobbs overturned RvW and allowed states to implement draconian abortion rules, it also meant that the states became more hostile to medical practitioners who provided women's health services including gynecologists and obstetricians. In some states, like Missouri, the last Planned Parenthood clinic closed. While they did provide abortions, abortions were actually not the most provided services and those other services are now lost in those states. So the abortion rulings mean that many people, both men and women, who needed birth control, STD testing and treatment, HIV testing and preventative treatment, cancer screenings and well-woman exams. This affects many people of both genders who need the free or near-free services that the clinic offered.

States that have such laws have seen women's health practitioners leaving their states. There are now deserts where there are very few women's health providers. This affects many women whether or not they need an abortion. When there are fewer gynecologists in your state and you have to wait months for appointments, it means that there are a lot more conditions that could have been easily treated if detected early, that are not caught and women will be having more serious complications more frequently. It means that there are fewer practitioners providing well-woman checkups. It means that it will be harder to get prescriptions for birth control, it means that when you or your family member need women's medical support, it will be harder to get.

This decision affects many thousands of people daily. People who have one night stands, people who found out their partner cheated, people who have an unusual medical condition that may be related to sexual contact, people who want to get birth control for their children, people who want to get protection or treatment for STDs all use those clinics routinely, women who cannot afford a doctor, but need a well woman checkup, people who need to be screened for cancer, all used the clinics that have closed or moved out of state.

Texas, Idaho, Oklahoma, Tennessse, North Carolina, Ohio and Florida are among the states that have seen a significant exodus of women's health practitioners leaving their states after their post-Dobbs decisions. Such practitioners find it almost impossible to do their jobs in their former state and find it easier to just move to another state to practice.

+1. Abortion bans are just part of it. They have wide ranging negative effects into other healthcare needs in the abortion ban states.

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Donald Trump will win. He has the advantage. It also makes sense. He is the better choice. Kamala Harris is not up to the job and will bring only disaster if elected. Nobody wants to listen to her moronic rambling for 4 years. People also have no idea who she is because she refuses to tell them. Terrible, really.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris will win. Men keep underestimating women's ability to unite. Women's support for Harris in my opinion is undercounted by the polls.

Trump can also win. We will find out in a week.

Women support each other since when?

I'm a woman and I'm voting trump. Just because she is a woman doesn't mean women have to support her. PP has this all wrong.

why?

Abortion is just not at the top of the list of things that impact a woman's every day life. Most women will never need or want one. The Dems have put all their eggs in the abortion basket, thinking that is the road to victory. That was a terrible mistake. The women that think abortion is a huge issue are already voting Democrat. Abortion isn't pulling over any other voters.

I think you're oversimplifying the effect of Dobbs. When Dobbs overturned RvW and allowed states to implement draconian abortion rules, it also meant that the states became more hostile to medical practitioners who provided women's health services including gynecologists and obstetricians. In some states, like Missouri, the last Planned Parenthood clinic closed. While they did provide abortions, abortions were actually not the most provided services and those other services are now lost in those states. So the abortion rulings mean that many people, both men and women, who needed birth control, STD testing and treatment, HIV testing and preventative treatment, cancer screenings and well-woman exams. This affects many people of both genders who need the free or near-free services that the clinic offered.

States that have such laws have seen women's health practitioners leaving their states. There are now deserts where there are very few women's health providers. This affects many women whether or not they need an abortion. When there are fewer gynecologists in your state and you have to wait months for appointments, it means that there are a lot more conditions that could have been easily treated if detected early, that are not caught and women will be having more serious complications more frequently. It means that there are fewer practitioners providing well-woman checkups. It means that it will be harder to get prescriptions for birth control, it means that when you or your family member need women's medical support, it will be harder to get.

This decision affects many thousands of people daily. People who have one night stands, people who found out their partner cheated, people who have an unusual medical condition that may be related to sexual contact, people who want to get birth control for their children, people who want to get protection or treatment for STDs all use those clinics routinely, women who cannot afford a doctor, but need a well woman checkup, people who need to be screened for cancer, all used the clinics that have closed or moved out of state.

Texas, Idaho, Oklahoma, Tennessse, North Carolina, Ohio and Florida are among the states that have seen a significant exodus of women's health practitioners leaving their states after their post-Dobbs decisions. Such practitioners find it almost impossible to do their jobs in their former state and find it easier to just move to another state to practice.

More fear mongering. Birth control AND plan B are legal in all 50 states.

And there is hardly is medical provider exodus. Even of women’s healthcare providers, many do not perform abortions anyhow, even in states with fewer restrictions. Not every ob/gyn does elective abortions, and CNM’s have restrictions on if they can do them at all (or just medical but not surgical) based on their state’s scope of practice which is entirely separate from the abortion laws- abortion could be legal, but it may not be in the scope of practice for a CNM to do them.