Walz vs. Vance: VP Debate Oct 1 2024

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Anonymous wrote:To me there was a real talker vs a doer vibe.

Yeah. That's a good way to describe it.

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Anonymous wrote:My debate coach used to have us debate And one side got to completely make up facts..... It was funny how easy it is to debate when truth and statistics and information that you say really does not matter. It was to prepare us for teams that were slick and fast talkers.
I think Tim maybe needed a little more prep, but let's be honest there was no way he was going to win when it does not matter what the other side says. Jd didn't even have to prep. He could just literally make up whatever he wanted in the moment based on what Tim said and know that it does not matter at all to his voters

Walz is too old and too politically experienced to act like a nervous wreck during a single debate.

He was a senior enlisted leader in the US military and a football coach, but was in shambles last night. Something isn’t right about that.

Any man that doesn’t act like a toxic frat bro and bully people is “in shambles” for MAGA.

Vance didn’t act like a toxic frat bro.

Walz called himself a knucklehead. What a joke. Why would anyone vote for a self described knucklehead?

People with humility. Very typical for a Minnesotan.

Being humble is great, admitting you are an idiot is not great.

Nobody running for VP should have to explain their lies and misstatements as occurring because they are a knucklehead. That’s ridiculous.

Walz admitted he’s not fit for office. It’s embarrassing.

Cool. So when is Vance going to address all the lies he told last night.
Walz: not smooth and slimy. Substantive and truthful.
Vance: slippery smooth and lying all night long

Sorry you did not got used to be around highly educated males and they give you appearance of to be "slippery smooth". Vance manners and presentation were superb yesterday. I am not agreeing with his stand and policy, but anyone denying this just Russian troll.

Vance presented well on a superficial way. But when you really consider how he behaved, he spoke in entire paragraphs, lying with a smile, and mansplained repeatedly to Norah and Margaret

He was very articulate and very knowledgeable about many things. I was impressed how well he is aware of how CB1 app works for those who crossing the border. I bet Walz had no idea what Vance was talking about based on his face expression.

Walz was not very knowledgeable about immigration policies at all. I did not got a feeling that we will see any changes from what we have now in immigration field.

We would have seen progress if Trump had not pressured GOP members to block the bipartisan immigration reform bill that would have channeled a huge increase in trained staff and resources to police the southern border - all because he wants to claim victory for being the only and best person to deal with illegal Immigration. So cynical and sick.

We already see a progress. Those who used to just cross the border illegally now can upload CBP 1 app, and cross the board "legally". That is how we got 15,000 convicted murderers in the country and 12,000 convicted rapist in the country. Because even if you cross the border by using CBP 1, no one checked your background. Not even for prior murder conviction, forget about Covid vaccination.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance is unflappable, articulate, quick thinking and will be a formidable debate opponent. I’m not voting his ticket but this is my honest opinion. Out of the candidates on both tickets he is the strongest debater.

He is also much younger than ol’ man Walz. I just wonder if Vance might hold back due to respect for someone so much older than himself?

Vance was just like Obama: smooth, polished and very well put together in his appearance and in his thoughts. Out of four of them, he is the most presidential unfortunately.

Smooth speaking matters not at all when you lie.

People were ready to overlook many of Obama's lies just to get him in the office. I voted for him twice and will gladly vote for Vance just to have civility back in the WH.

Vance is not civility. Someone who would pen a novel disparaging a huge segment of Americans while purporting to support them is pure evil.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance is unflappable, articulate, quick thinking and will be a formidable debate opponent. I’m not voting his ticket but this is my honest opinion. Out of the candidates on both tickets he is the strongest debater.

He is also much younger than ol’ man Walz. I just wonder if Vance might hold back due to respect for someone so much older than himself?

Vance was just like Obama: smooth, polished and very well put together in his appearance and in his thoughts. Out of four of them, he is the most presidential unfortunately.

Smooth speaking matters not at all when you lie.

People were ready to overlook many of Obama's lies just to get him in the office. I voted for him twice and will gladly vote for Vance just to have civility back in the WH.

You’re effing joking, right?

Vance reminded me of Aaron Burr. Someone who has no principles and will say anything to get ahead. He was smooth as a Yale Law trained lawyer should be. However, he consistently gave off an "ick" feeling when talking. Nothing appeared genuine. Oh, and he never provided any details on his policies other than "we should do better", "let law enforcement decide", "let Israel decide", etc. Those are non-answer, weasel words which make it appear like you're responding when you're really not.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance came off as very likeable.

I thought he came off very slick, his facial expressions just a tad smug, bordering on know-it-all, with a whiff of condescension. It was totally apparent this is a guy who knows how to do PR on the fly. Rewriting Trump's actions in the telling, with such easy-breezy confidence was infuriating. Maybe that's the benefit of Yale law school training.

Usha was heavily involved in preparing him to debate. It is refreshing to hear highly educated people speaking in public.

So I bet you love hearing Obama talk

I LOVE Obama! Vance speech and presentation was at his level. Walz was not.

Yes Vance was really that good.

Poised and articulate like Obama.

I swear I did not expect to come off liking this guy who has been the butt of jokes the last one month.

Agree. And I was pretty confused why Trump would even pick him. But now I see. He was excellent and didn’t come off as slick or smug at all. He came off as poised, articulate, and cool under pressure. As if he could deal with World leaders with ease and not be a push over. Walz did seem like a great person, but all the agreeing with Vance made him look like a pushover. He would do the US no favors in negotiations

He literally lied on just about every response. How is that presidential?

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Anonymous wrote:Vance came off as very likeable.

I thought he came off very slick, his facial expressions just a tad smug, bordering on know-it-all, with a whiff of condescension. It was totally apparent this is a guy who knows how to do PR on the fly. Rewriting Trump's actions in the telling, with such easy-breezy confidence was infuriating. Maybe that's the benefit of Yale law school training.

Usha was heavily involved in preparing him to debate. It is refreshing to hear highly educated people speaking in public.

So I bet you love hearing Obama talk

I LOVE Obama! Vance speech and presentation was at his level. Walz was not.

Yes Vance was really that good.

Poised and articulate like Obama.

I swear I did not expect to come off liking this guy who has been the butt of jokes the last one month.

Agree. And I was pretty confused why Trump would even pick him. But now I see. He was excellent and didn’t come off as slick or smug at all. He came off as poised, articulate, and cool under pressure. As if he could deal with World leaders with ease and not be a push over. Walz did seem like a great person, but all the agreeing with Vance made him look like a pushover. He would do the US no favors in negotiations

Walz is very weak politician. He will be better if he continues serving his state. He is not at the WH level.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance is unflappable, articulate, quick thinking and will be a formidable debate opponent. I’m not voting his ticket but this is my honest opinion. Out of the candidates on both tickets he is the strongest debater.

He is also much younger than ol’ man Walz. I just wonder if Vance might hold back due to respect for someone so much older than himself?

Vance was just like Obama: smooth, polished and very well put together in his appearance and in his thoughts. Out of four of them, he is the most presidential unfortunately.

Smooth speaking matters not at all when you lie.

People were ready to overlook many of Obama's lies just to get him in the office. I voted for him twice and will gladly vote for Vance just to have civility back in the WH.

Vance is not civility. Someone who would pen a novel disparaging a huge segment of Americans while purporting to support them is pure evil.

He was pretty civil and respectful yesterday.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance came off as very likeable.

I thought he came off very slick, his facial expressions just a tad smug, bordering on know-it-all, with a whiff of condescension. It was totally apparent this is a guy who knows how to do PR on the fly. Rewriting Trump's actions in the telling, with such easy-breezy confidence was infuriating. Maybe that's the benefit of Yale law school training.

Usha was heavily involved in preparing him to debate. It is refreshing to hear highly educated people speaking in public.

So I bet you love hearing Obama talk

I LOVE Obama! Vance speech and presentation was at his level. Walz was not.

Yes Vance was really that good.

Poised and articulate like Obama.

I swear I did not expect to come off liking this guy who has been the butt of jokes the last one month.

Agree. And I was pretty confused why Trump would even pick him. But now I see. He was excellent and didn’t come off as slick or smug at all. He came off as poised, articulate, and cool under pressure. As if he could deal with World leaders with ease and not be a push over. Walz did seem like a great person, but all the agreeing with Vance made him look like a pushover. He would do the US no favors in negotiations

Did you get the feeling at times that he actually can't stand Trump? It was a werid vibe.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance is unflappable, articulate, quick thinking and will be a formidable debate opponent. I’m not voting his ticket but this is my honest opinion. Out of the candidates on both tickets he is the strongest debater.

He is also much younger than ol’ man Walz. I just wonder if Vance might hold back due to respect for someone so much older than himself?

Vance was just like Obama: smooth, polished and very well put together in his appearance and in his thoughts. Out of four of them, he is the most presidential unfortunately.

He certainly lies better than the others.

Vance does give Obama's vibes and I see why a lot of people don't like him.

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Anonymous wrote:What were the actual policy points that JD laid out last night.... Like what is his position on who won the 2020 election on affordable child care on affordable healthcare??

Go replay it or read the transcript, he was very clear and articulate.

All I got was he is married to A nice looking woman and child care is a young woman issue

And how many times did he mention his beautiful family and his three beautiful children? I almost threw something at the screen. Especially how he slid over the issue of gun control and kids being in danger at school. His three beautiful children I'm sure have no such worries in their wealthy bubble.

How many times did Walz mention Minnesota? Does he know he’s not running for reelection as governor?

He's speaking from experience. You know, actual accomplishments that benefit his state, which he'd like to apply at the Federal level. Vance doesn't have any except writing a book that talks down to hillbillies and may have many factual inaccuracies.

Both Kamala and Tim are life long public servants who have no idea how to earn the money outside of the government paycheck. Having someone in the WH with a private sector experience will be beneficial for the entire country.

walz earned his money by being a public school teacher and a national guardsman.
Harris as a Prosecutor and Lawyer who could easily earn 7 figures in the private sector.

You make it sound like they are welfare queens.

It is better than how Trump made his money, by inheriting it, squandering it and bilking people, or Vance, who has prostituted himself to a billionaire.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance came off as very likeable.

I thought he came off very slick, his facial expressions just a tad smug, bordering on know-it-all, with a whiff of condescension. It was totally apparent this is a guy who knows how to do PR on the fly. Rewriting Trump's actions in the telling, with such easy-breezy confidence was infuriating. Maybe that's the benefit of Yale law school training.

Usha was heavily involved in preparing him to debate. It is refreshing to hear highly educated people speaking in public.

So I bet you love hearing Obama talk

I LOVE Obama! Vance speech and presentation was at his level. Walz was not.

Yes Vance was really that good.

Poised and articulate like Obama.

I swear I did not expect to come off liking this guy who has been the butt of jokes the last one month.

Agree. And I was pretty confused why Trump would even pick him. But now I see. He was excellent and didn’t come off as slick or smug at all. He came off as poised, articulate, and cool under pressure. As if he could deal with World leaders with ease and not be a push over. Walz did seem like a great person, but all the agreeing with Vance made him look like a pushover. He would do the US no favors in negotiations

Did you get the feeling at times that he actually can't stand Trump? It was a werid vibe.

No, I saw more disgust on Tim's face about Kamala.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance came off as very likeable.

I thought he came off very slick, his facial expressions just a tad smug, bordering on know-it-all, with a whiff of condescension. It was totally apparent this is a guy who knows how to do PR on the fly. Rewriting Trump's actions in the telling, with such easy-breezy confidence was infuriating. Maybe that's the benefit of Yale law school training.

Usha was heavily involved in preparing him to debate. It is refreshing to hear highly educated people speaking in public.

So I bet you love hearing Obama talk

I LOVE Obama! Vance speech and presentation was at his level. Walz was not.

Yes Vance was really that good.

Poised and articulate like Obama.

I swear I did not expect to come off liking this guy who has been the butt of jokes the last one month.

Agree. And I was pretty confused why Trump would even pick him. But now I see. He was excellent and didn’t come off as slick or smug at all. He came off as poised, articulate, and cool under pressure. As if he could deal with World leaders with ease and not be a push over. Walz did seem like a great person, but all the agreeing with Vance made him look like a pushover. He would do the US no favors in negotiations

He literally lied on just about every response. How is that presidential?

If Trump is your model of Presidential, then it makes sense. These are people who just want to be lied to. They just want to hear what they want to hear with no substance. And as long as T/V keep on telling them what they want to hear the followers are satisfied.

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Anonymous wrote:I like Walz but I also like that I could tell when he’s lying. He is a very bad liar and lying about Hong Kong.

You can also tell when Vance is lying he is not endearing to me. Why they are so resistant on accepting Trump‘s defeat is beyond me. It would almost be better if they accepted it and say yes, he lost, but we’re moving towards the future and we want to win the next election. It’s not hard.

My take away is all politicians every single one of them is lying.

Walz "misspoke" about his time in Asia 35 years ago.
Vance lied about his stance on abortion, healthcare and democracy.

Both sides!

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Anonymous wrote:What were the actual policy points that JD laid out last night.... Like what is his position on who won the 2020 election on affordable child care on affordable healthcare??

Go replay it or read the transcript, he was very clear and articulate.

All I got was he is married to A nice looking woman and child care is a young woman issue

And how many times did he mention his beautiful family and his three beautiful children? I almost threw something at the screen. Especially how he slid over the issue of gun control and kids being in danger at school. His three beautiful children I'm sure have no such worries in their wealthy bubble.

How many times did Walz mention Minnesota? Does he know he’s not running for reelection as governor?

He's speaking from experience. You know, actual accomplishments that benefit his state, which he'd like to apply at the Federal level. Vance doesn't have any except writing a book that talks down to hillbillies and may have many factual inaccuracies.

Both Kamala and Tim are life long public servants who have no idea how to earn the money outside of the government paycheck. Having someone in the WH with a private sector experience will be beneficial for the entire country.

walz earned his money by being a public school teacher and a national guardsman.
Harris as a Prosecutor and Lawyer who could easily earn 7 figures in the private sector.

You make it sound like they are welfare queens.

It is better than how Trump made his money, by inheriting it, squandering it and bilking people, or Vance, who has prostituted himself to a billionaire.

Anyone who works at big law and erns 7 figures know that Kamala would never be able to earn that much money in a private sector. Never. She might be sitting in the big law firm on a $350,000 paycheck to increase the diversity numbers, but that is her limit.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance came off as very likeable.

I thought he came off very slick, his facial expressions just a tad smug, bordering on know-it-all, with a whiff of condescension. It was totally apparent this is a guy who knows how to do PR on the fly. Rewriting Trump's actions in the telling, with such easy-breezy confidence was infuriating. Maybe that's the benefit of Yale law school training.

Usha was heavily involved in preparing him to debate. It is refreshing to hear highly educated people speaking in public.

So I bet you love hearing Obama talk

I LOVE Obama! Vance speech and presentation was at his level. Walz was not.

Yes Vance was really that good.

Poised and articulate like Obama.

I swear I did not expect to come off liking this guy who has been the butt of jokes the last one month.

Agree. And I was pretty confused why Trump would even pick him. But now I see. He was excellent and didn’t come off as slick or smug at all. He came off as poised, articulate, and cool under pressure. As if he could deal with World leaders with ease and not be a push over. Walz did seem like a great person, but all the agreeing with Vance made him look like a pushover. He would do the US no favors in negotiations

He literally lied on just about every response. How is that presidential?

If Trump is your model of Presidential, then it makes sense. These are people who just want to be lied to. They just want to hear what they want to hear with no substance. And as long as T/V keep on telling them what they want to hear the followers are satisfied.

Vance operated by a lot of facts on economy, immigration, medical care. Sorry you don't like those facts. He even fact checked the moderators who also "misspoke".