College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It looks like Fox is responsible for the death of the Pac 12. Oregon and Washington weren't going to be added until Fox upped their payment.

http://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1689272755756134400


If the Pac12 becomes the Pac2, I hope the remaining 2 use any remaining funds on attorneys. The Big12, Big10, and SEC may not be a monopoly, but the sure look like a cartel

Disagree.

Poor management of the Pac-12 for the last 12 years is the cause of the Pac-12's downfall.

Terrible Pac-12 Network and Pac-12 refused to add the University of Texas (although prima donna Texas demanded more than a full share payout).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reports are that Cal & Stanford are not getting a warm reception from ACC schools. No vote taken tonight. Requires 12 of 15 yes votes to get an offer to join the ACC according to one source.

Reports today are that there are 4 no votes and a lot of anger at ND for pushing them while refusing to join.

I have read the same.

Notre Dame is trying to play the role of the savior, but it is hypocritical Notre Dame which remains independent primarily because of its worship of the almighty dollar.

[Anonymous]

Both Stanford University and Notre Dame University have endowments so large that both are among the top 10 college/university endowments in the country. Stanford's endowment is about $36 billion while Notre Dame's endowment is over $19 billion. Stanford could afford to join an athletic conference without receiving any payment at all.

[Anonymous]

The 25 largest college/university endowments fiscal year 2022:

1) Harvard--$49.5 billion
2) Univ. of Texas System--$42.7 billion
3) Yale--$41.4 billion
4) Stanford--$36.3 billion
5) Princeton--$35.8 billion

6) MIT--$24.7 billion
7) U Penn--$20.7 billion
8) Texas A&M System--$18.2 billion
9) U Michigan--$17.3 billion
10) Notre Dame--$16.7 billion

11) Univ. of California Bd. of Regents--$15.4 billion
12) Northwestern--$14.1 billion
13) Columbia--$13.3 billion
14) WashUStl--$12.25 billion
15) Duke--$12.1 billion

16) Vanderbilt--$10.2 billion
17) Emory--$10 billion
18) U. Virginia--$9.86 billion
19) Cornell--$9.84 billion
20) Johns Hopkins--$8.24 billion

21) Dartmouth--$8 billion
22) Rice--$7.8 billion
23) USC--$7.32 billion
24) Ohio State--$7 billion
25) Brown--$6.14 billion

In addition to the Univ. of California Board of regents endowment, the University of california at Berkeley has a separate endowment fund of $2.65 billion.

132 higher education colleges & universities reported having endowment funds worth over one ($1,000,000,000) billion.

If the Texas & Texas A&M system wide endowments are set aside, Stanford has the 4th largest endowment, while Notre Dame has the 8th largest endowment. Both Stanford and Notre Dame could afford to get by with little to no athletic related media revenue.

[Anonymous]

CORRECTION: Stanford has the 3rd largest endowment among individual universities (if the Texas system wide endowment was set aside for purposes of this analysis).

[Anonymous]

Who's To Blame For The College Realignment Mess ? The US Supreme Court:

https://usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2023/08/10/big-ten-big-12-pac-12-college-football-conference-realignment/70559721007/

Oh, and don't forget about NIL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CORRECTION: Stanford has the 3rd largest endowment among individual universities (if the Texas system wide endowment was set aside for purposes of this analysis).

Inclusive of other assets, Stanford actually has the largest endowment of any university (a few billion above Harvard).
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-top-endowment-funds/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20universities%20make%20up,compared%20to%20Harvard%27s%20%2473%20billion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CORRECTION: Stanford has the 3rd largest endowment among individual universities (if the Texas system wide endowment was set aside for purposes of this analysis).

Inclusive of other assets, Stanford actually has the largest endowment of any university (a few billion above Harvard).
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-top-endowment-funds/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20universities%20make%20up,compared%20to%20Harvard%27s%20%2473%20billion.

Stanford may have passed Harvard at a whopping $75 billion (real estate is worth a lot in Silicon Valley) but it isn't catching the LDS Church anytime soon. Wow!

[Anonymous]

The Pac12 had more than one good chance to take their pick of schools from the Big12 and didn't do it. More than anything, that killed the conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great articles regarding Notre Dame's push to get Cal & Stanford into the ACC. Notre Dame's efforts are being met with some harsh backlash. Comments like who are they to insist we do this; Cal & Stanford add no revenue at a time when other ACC member schools are demanding more revenue; Notre Dame is to blame for the collapse of the Pac-12.

Some feel that Notre Dame is partly to blame for the collapse of the Pac-12 because Notre Dame insisted upon remaining independent when ND membership in the Pac-12 would have saved the conference. Assertions blame poor CFP eligibility guidelines which should have limited CFP eligibility to only "teams in a conference". This phrase would have forced Notre Dame to select a conference and if that conference had been the Pac-12, then no members would have left & the recent massive realignment would not have occurred.

This is silly. There is no way ND would have ever joined the Pac12. Big 10 yes. ACC yes. Sec yes but no one else. If ND joins anyone it will be the ACC if it survives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reports are that Cal & Stanford are not getting a warm reception from ACC schools. No vote taken tonight. Requires 12 of 15 yes votes to get an offer to join the ACC according to one source.

Reports today are that there are 4 no votes and a lot of anger at ND for pushing them while refusing to join.

Sounds like there are 4 ACC presidents who know how ridiculously stupid it is to overreact and bring Stanford and Cal into the conference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great articles regarding Notre Dame's push to get Cal & Stanford into the ACC. Notre Dame's efforts are being met with some harsh backlash. Comments like who are they to insist we do this; Cal & Stanford add no revenue at a time when other ACC member schools are demanding more revenue; Notre Dame is to blame for the collapse of the Pac-12.

Some feel that Notre Dame is partly to blame for the collapse of the Pac-12 because Notre Dame insisted upon remaining independent when ND membership in the Pac-12 would have saved the conference. Assertions blame poor CFP eligibility guidelines which should have limited CFP eligibility to only "teams in a conference". This phrase would have forced Notre Dame to select a conference and if that conference had been the Pac-12, then no members would have left & the recent massive realignment would not have occurred.

This is silly. There is no way ND would have ever joined the Pac12. Big 10 yes. ACC yes. Sec yes but no one else. If ND joins anyone it will be the ACC if it survives.

No way ND is ever joining ACC football either. If the winds blow differently and their hand is forced, they're going to the B10.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great articles regarding Notre Dame's push to get Cal & Stanford into the ACC. Notre Dame's efforts are being met with some harsh backlash. Comments like who are they to insist we do this; Cal & Stanford add no revenue at a time when other ACC member schools are demanding more revenue; Notre Dame is to blame for the collapse of the Pac-12.

Some feel that Notre Dame is partly to blame for the collapse of the Pac-12 because Notre Dame insisted upon remaining independent when ND membership in the Pac-12 would have saved the conference. Assertions blame poor CFP eligibility guidelines which should have limited CFP eligibility to only "teams in a conference". This phrase would have forced Notre Dame to select a conference and if that conference had been the Pac-12, then no members would have left & the recent massive realignment would not have occurred.

This is silly. There is no way ND would have ever joined the Pac12. Big 10 yes. ACC yes. Sec yes but no one else. If ND joins anyone it will be the ACC if it survives.

No way ND is ever joining ACC football either. If the winds blow differently and their hand is forced, they're going to the B10.

Which is why the ACC is laughing at them trying to get Stanford and Cal a lifeline

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The 25 largest college/university endowments fiscal year 2022:

1) Harvard--$49.5 billion
2) Univ. of Texas System--$42.7 billion
3) Yale--$41.4 billion
4) Stanford--$36.3 billion
5) Princeton--$35.8 billion

6) MIT--$24.7 billion
7) U Penn--$20.7 billion
8) Texas A&M System--$18.2 billion
9) U Michigan--$17.3 billion
10) Notre Dame--$16.7 billion

11) Univ. of California Bd. of Regents--$15.4 billion
12) Northwestern--$14.1 billion
13) Columbia--$13.3 billion
14) WashUStl--$12.25 billion
15) Duke--$12.1 billion

16) Vanderbilt--$10.2 billion
17) Emory--$10 billion
18) U. Virginia--$9.86 billion
19) Cornell--$9.84 billion
20) Johns Hopkins--$8.24 billion

21) Dartmouth--$8 billion
22) Rice--$7.8 billion
23) USC--$7.32 billion
24) Ohio State--$7 billion
25) Brown--$6.14 billion

In addition to the Univ. of California Board of regents endowment, the University of california at Berkeley has a separate endowment fund of $2.65 billion.

132 higher education colleges & universities reported having endowment funds worth over one ($1,000,000,000) billion.

If the Texas & Texas A&M system wide endowments are set aside, Stanford has the 4th largest endowment, while Notre Dame has the 8th largest endowment. Both Stanford and Notre Dame could afford to get by with little to no athletic related media revenue.

The board of regents is the whole Cal system. If Berkeley is allowed to tap it to replace Pac 12 revenue, then UCSD, Irvine, Riverside... are going to demand the same amount of money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what do I think is happening today ?

I think that Notre Dame understands the current and future landscape of big-time college football well. ND understands that the Big Ten Conference has taken several shrewd steps that will affect Notre Dame football.

To remain as an independent in college football, Notre Dame needs a CFP that gives ND a strong chance at making the 12 team playoff. Things are going to change in 2026 regarding the CFP and, as matters stand now, the Big Ten Conference and the SEC will control those changes to CFP eligibility. Notre Dame may want a strong ally in the ACC to counter the influence of the Big ten Conference and of the SEC. Notre Dame--even though independent--has a spot on the CFP committee.

This could be. ND could be saying we agree not to join anyone and stay ind. with our deal with you and play Cal and Stanford every year. One on our NBC revenue and one on your ESPN revenue. ND already agreed to play a number of ACC schools. Long history with BC, GTech, Miami. And for ND they would love to play Cal and Stanford in non-revenue sports. They have to travel regardless.

But they may also just join the ACC if all of this can be pulled off. Either now (less likley) or a couple of years from now.

Agree except with your final two sentences.

From Notre Dame's perspective, this is all about the CFP and controlling the changes to the CFP in 2025 & 2026. Notre Dame has a seat at the table as an independent, so why surrender that when you can make an ally ?

Okay, so how does ND screw the Big Ten Conference and help the ACC financially if Notre Dame does NOT become a full football member of the ACC ? Easy. ND schedules few to no regular season games against Big Ten opponents and schedules more games against the patsies of the ACC.

Notre Dame draws viewers nationwide & puts fans in stadium seats. This results in more money from broadcast partners.

So Notre Dame goes 11-0 against a bunch of second tier schools...that doesn't get them into the playoffs.

It probably would with a 12 team playoff. Personally, I wish the Big Ten would “screw” ND by not scheduling any games against them. The conference doesn’t need to be playing ND as an independent for their teams to get big payoffs. There are plenty of quality schools available to fill a future 2 game out of conference schedule. Those two games, since the conference will be even stronger, will more than likely be home games against those squads.

Understood. Both Notre Dame and Stanford arouse love/hate emotions as many view these two educational institutions as viewing themselves with an excess of self-love. Nonetheless, Notre Dame is a money-maker in the world of college football and Stanford is outstanding with respect to academics and research.

I don’t see the disdain for Stanford nearly at the same level as ND.