US coronavirus cases top 10,000 and on the same or worse curve than Italy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the people who wanted a full lock down: imagine that you got it, and we stamped out the virus in the US. Do you understand that the only way to keep it that way would be to completely ban all incoming people and flights for months/years indefinitely, the way Australia and NZ have? People who enter those countries illegally (which is pretty much everyone now) or don’t quarantine as required by law are arrested and thrown in prison, and it’s not like the US where people are out on bail in five minutes. Those countries actually have a criminal justice system that works for society, and they enforce the laws. Would you be prepared to do that?

I feel like most of the people complaining that we aren’t doing a full complete lockdown are the same ones who would be complaining and rioting in the streets about the “injustice” when people are taken into custody (and NOT just released) when someone breaks the law.

Or you guys haven’t figured out yet that it would just take one person slipping over the border to spark another pandemic epicenter in the US?

Uh, what countries can Americans travel to right now?

[Anonymous]

Costa Rica will begin to allow Americans from a few states in to their country. The rest of Americans are still banned from going there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the people who wanted a full lock down: imagine that you got it, and we stamped out the virus in the US. Do you understand that the only way to keep it that way would be to completely ban all incoming people and flights for months/years indefinitely, the way Australia and NZ have? People who enter those countries illegally (which is pretty much everyone now) or don’t quarantine as required by law are arrested and thrown in prison, and it’s not like the US where people are out on bail in five minutes. Those countries actually have a criminal justice system that works for society, and they enforce the laws. Would you be prepared to do that?

I feel like most of the people complaining that we aren’t doing a full complete lockdown are the same ones who would be complaining and rioting in the streets about the “injustice” when people are taken into custody (and NOT just released) when someone breaks the law.

Or you guys haven’t figured out yet that it would just take one person slipping over the border to spark another pandemic epicenter in the US?

I thought Trump saved the US by banning flights from China?

You can control an outbreak if you have:

1. Low or no community spread
2. Good testing
3. Effective contact tracing

Lockdown achieves #1 and helps make #s 2 and 3 more possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the people who wanted a full lock down: imagine that you got it, and we stamped out the virus in the US. Do you understand that the only way to keep it that way would be to completely ban all incoming people and flights for months/years indefinitely, the way Australia and NZ have? People who enter those countries illegally (which is pretty much everyone now) or don’t quarantine as required by law are arrested and thrown in prison, and it’s not like the US where people are out on bail in five minutes. Those countries actually have a criminal justice system that works for society, and they enforce the laws. Would you be prepared to do that?

I feel like most of the people complaining that we aren’t doing a full complete lockdown are the same ones who would be complaining and rioting in the streets about the “injustice” when people are taken into custody (and NOT just released) when someone breaks the law.

Or you guys haven’t figured out yet that it would just take one person slipping over the border to spark another pandemic epicenter in the US?

Uh, what countries can Americans travel to right now?

I actually don’t think anyone should be doing any traveling right now at all, and I hope it’s banned everywhere.

But what does that have to do with anything? Did you read what I wrote? What is your answer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does herd immunity work if antibodies only last at most 3 months?

Still waiting to hear from the “open up” and “herd immunity” crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does herd immunity work if antibodies only last at most 3 months?

Still waiting to hear from the “open up” and “herd immunity” crowd.

There’s more to immunity than just antibodies.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00436-4

(Btw, I'm a scientist and I’ll tell you that this is world class research.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but its just the flu

Spin this one, anti-science Trumpers.

Not unique to COVID-19. Just played up to increase the anxiety. Other viruses have the same complication at higher rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

[Anonymous]

So if it isn't unique, why would we be wanting to push people into a situation where they can have a debilitating condition?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but its just the flu

Spin this one, anti-science Trumpers.

Not unique to COVID-19. Just played up to increase the anxiety. Other viruses have the same complication at higher rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

Do people not bother to read what they're posting? From PP's link:

"The frequency of myocardial involvement in influenza infection varies (0–10%) depending on the diagnostic criteria, and fulminant myocarditis associated with seasonal influenza infection is rare...." That is nowhere near the 30-35% reported among college athletes (who probably represent the youngest/healthiest demographic out there) for COVID-19.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but its just the flu

Spin this one, anti-science Trumpers.

Not unique to COVID-19. Just played up to increase the anxiety. Other viruses have the same complication at higher rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

According the article other PANDEMIC viruses have the same or higher complication rate, but the regular doesn't.

Spin fail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but its just the flu

Spin this one, anti-science Trumpers.

Not unique to COVID-19. Just played up to increase the anxiety. Other viruses have the same complication at higher rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

Do people not bother to read what they're posting? From PP's link:

"The frequency of myocardial involvement in influenza infection varies (0–10%) depending on the diagnostic criteria, and fulminant myocarditis associated with seasonal influenza infection is rare...." That is nowhere near the 30-35% reported among college athletes (who probably represent the youngest/healthiest demographic out there) for COVID-19.

You can't make this comparison since the athletes are not a comparable sample. While you might consider them healthier, that isn't science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but its just the flu

Spin this one, anti-science Trumpers.

Not unique to COVID-19. Just played up to increase the anxiety. Other viruses have the same complication at higher rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

Do people not bother to read what they're posting? From PP's link:

"The frequency of myocardial involvement in influenza infection varies (0–10%) depending on the diagnostic criteria, and fulminant myocarditis associated with seasonal influenza infection is rare...." That is nowhere near the 30-35% reported among college athletes (who probably represent the youngest/healthiest demographic out there) for COVID-19.

I read it. I don't remember anyone worrying about myocarditis during H1N1. Almost didn't even make the news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but its just the flu

Spin this one, anti-science Trumpers.

Not unique to COVID-19. Just played up to increase the anxiety. Other viruses have the same complication at higher rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

Do people not bother to read what they're posting? From PP's link:

"The frequency of myocardial involvement in influenza infection varies (0–10%) depending on the diagnostic criteria, and fulminant myocarditis associated with seasonal influenza infection is rare...." That is nowhere near the 30-35% reported among college athletes (who probably represent the youngest/healthiest demographic out there) for COVID-19.

You can't make this comparison since the athletes are not a comparable sample. While you might consider them healthier, that isn't science.

You can hypothesis that young healthy athletes are less likely to have this complication than average people. The next step is to check average people for the same condition. Doesn't mean we can't view this as a general concern right now, until we get better evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but its just the flu

Spin this one, anti-science Trumpers.

Not unique to COVID-19. Just played up to increase the anxiety. Other viruses have the same complication at higher rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

Do people not bother to read what they're posting? From PP's link:

"The frequency of myocardial involvement in influenza infection varies (0–10%) depending on the diagnostic criteria, and fulminant myocarditis associated with seasonal influenza infection is rare...." That is nowhere near the 30-35% reported among college athletes (who probably represent the youngest/healthiest demographic out there) for COVID-19.

I read it. I don't remember anyone worrying about myocarditis during H1N1. Almost didn't even make the news.

H1N1 never had anywhere near the number of deaths of COVID. At this point in H1N1, stories were mostly about high projected deaths (which never happened) and delays in vaccines. Obama was getting a lot of criticism about the delays and people were worried.

In Ebola, we had 2 deaths, Obama didn't close the border and Trump demanded his resignation.

You should really look at Trump's Ebola tweets and imagine what he'd be saying now if he weren't President.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:but its just the flu

Spin this one, anti-science Trumpers.

Not unique to COVID-19. Just played up to increase the anxiety. Other viruses have the same complication at higher rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

Do people not bother to read what they're posting? From PP's link:

"The frequency of myocardial involvement in influenza infection varies (0–10%) depending on the diagnostic criteria, and fulminant myocarditis associated with seasonal influenza infection is rare...." That is nowhere near the 30-35% reported among college athletes (who probably represent the youngest/healthiest demographic out there) for COVID-19.

You can't make this comparison since the athletes are not a comparable sample. While you might consider them healthier, that isn't science.

You can hypothesis that young healthy athletes are less likely to have this complication than average people. The next step is to check average people for the same condition. Doesn't mean we can't view this as a general concern right now, until we get better evidence.

Apparently the whole thing is take news. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/09/03/big-ten-coronavirus-myocarditis/

It was unclear how many athletes had been tested or had tested positive and Penn State said that no cases of myocarditis had been found in its athletes who had tested positive for the virus.