Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

It is a very small issue, like very small. It only seems to be an issue here because of one or two aggrieved posters obsessing over it. But in reality, it is nothing compared to the trapped issues under BY. No one cares if the 2 or 3% of grade misaligned players play up, down or whatever.

The leadership doesn’t care either because it was much worse under BY, plus it wasn’t a real issue prior to BY. And they have much bigger fish to fry. This is a non-issue to them.

By the actual written rule they can do either. And both situations will happen. That’s it. Seriously, who cares? If you are one of the 2% of players who may be eligible to play with a grade lower than your current grade, find a club that will accommodate your needs. Whatever those are.

I agree that from the actual written rules both situations can potentially occur for younger than the eligibility window but grade up players.

The issue, if you want to call it that is GY (grade year) slippery slope. If leagues implemented a rule or a recommendation that young players play with their grade what you've done is grouped players by grade but without holdbacks/redshirts. Which is something club parents really like because they're footing the bill. Other people want to implement GY with regrades/holdbacks/redshirts in club soccer. Generally the way they plan to do it is by starting with GY Showcases. Which would end uo being something parents pay for but players 1-2 years older attend and play in.

If leagues implemented a rule or even a recommendation that young players play with their grade you would have teams grouped by grade but without holdbacks. Once implemented you could never implement GY showcases (with holdbacks) because teams would already be grouped by grade.

This is whats actually being argued about. Do you want GY Showcases where older players can play down 1-2 years in front of the recuiters youre paying for your kid to play in front of?

What rules or recommendations and by who? There are none. I haven’t heard even the slightest rumors of one.

If you think there should be one, email the Orgs. Or write a good old fashioned letter. What good does arguing about something that doesn’t exist, here, on this thread do?

We might was well argue about the existence of aliens while we’re at it.

What are you going to do when top clubs group their top teams by grade and dont allow younger than the eligibility window players to play down? This is what will happen because its what happened before.

Top Clubs are MLS Next clubs
They will never care about school grade

To be fair, this person has a girl. So that side of the equation is not in play.

You realize the most off the rails threads are focused on girls soccer

That said, why is school grade being prioritized when it's irrelevant beyond graduation year?
Other than trying to distract from the relevant soccer shortcomings of the player.

Graduation year and school grade are considered the same thing by most people. Apparently not you though.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious How many GA trap player parents are planning on coming down a year to ECNL. In addition have you reached out to coaches to set expectations?!

That is a conversation we are having. My kid is a Q4. For a variety of reasons they dont want to play on their current club grade level team so is looking at making a jump to ECNL if they dont allow them to stay up.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Misinformation is your step 1. Playing up an age group increases the odds of quitting. And if a player was off grade, they could change age groups around their sophomore/junior year after much of puberty differences are gone and the percentage differences of ages amongst the players is reduced if it is in their best interest (and not yours.)

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Misinformation is your step 1. Playing up an age group increases the odds of quitting. And if a player was off grade, they could change age groups around their sophomore/junior year after much of puberty differences are gone and the percentage differences of ages amongst the players is reduced if it is in their best interest (and not yours.)

Step 2 is Proof of Concept

You cant have a good cry when that happens.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Step 3 is never going to happen, if your supposition is true. August players playing a grade below their actual will either be good enough to play up, or just knock off dead wood not good enough from the rosters of their SY year, but grade below, teams. Those kids getting knocked off didn't earn their spot and should move to another club or team b.

The numbers are so small, no one is going to do anything for the tiny number who impacted. It took a decade to fix trapped players for 30% of all kids.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Misinformation is your step 1. Playing up an age group increases the odds of quitting. And if a player was off grade, they could change age groups around their sophomore/junior year after much of puberty differences are gone and the percentage differences of ages amongst the players is reduced if it is in their best interest (and not yours.)

Uh Oh reason and logic is starting to sink into the hardest of heads.

Starting to admit that players need to play with their grade to get recruited for college.

Just so you know the time college recruiters are most interested in players is their Sophmore year. So you might want to adjust your timeline down to around freshman year or earlier so they get exposed to higher level of play before playing in front of recruiters.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Step 3 is never going to happen, if your supposition is true. August players playing a grade below their actual will either be good enough to play up, or just knock off dead wood not good enough from the rosters of their SY year, but grade below, teams. Those kids getting knocked off didn't earn their spot and should move to another club or team b.

The numbers are so small, no one is going to do anything for the tiny number who impacted. It took a decade to fix trapped players for 30% of all kids.

What will happen is clubs that are serious about recruitment will play players by grade on their top teams. They wont allow older grade in school players to play down even if they're eligible because it screws over the player when it comes to recruitment and it pisses off correct grade parents because they view the player playing down as unrecruitable and wasting minutes.

So they'll be given 2 options play on the B team with their correct grade. Or play on the B team a grade down and be double screwed for recruiting. This is assuming they're not good enough to make the A team thats their grade in school.

If you had just started as a younger on the correct grade team you would have developed with higher level players and not been in the situation.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Misinformation is your step 1. Playing up an age group increases the odds of quitting. And if a player was off grade, they could change age groups around their sophomore/junior year after much of puberty differences are gone and the percentage differences of ages amongst the players is reduced if it is in their best interest (and not yours.)

Uh Oh reason and logic is starting to sink into the hardest of heads.

Starting to admit that players need to play with their grade to get recruited for college.

Just so you know the time college recruiters are most interested in players is their Sophmore year. So you might want to adjust your timeline down to around freshman year or earlier so they get exposed to higher level of play before playing in front of recruiters.

Was just pointing out that starting off grade doesn't matter and starting playing up is a horrible idea. Staying off grade doesn't matter either but if the player wanted, they could change when they get older. So guessing that if you are suggesting going on grade freshman year that your girl is in 8th grade now and you need that August girl playing up next year. You do know that other kids will get recruited to her team, right?

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Step 3 is never going to happen, if your supposition is true. August players playing a grade below their actual will either be good enough to play up, or just knock off dead wood not good enough from the rosters of their SY year, but grade below, teams. Those kids getting knocked off didn't earn their spot and should move to another club or team b.

The numbers are so small, no one is going to do anything for the tiny number who impacted. It took a decade to fix trapped players for 30% of all kids.

What will happen is clubs that are serious about recruitment will play players by grade on their top teams. They wont allow older grade in school players to play down even if they're eligible because it screws over the player when it comes to recruitment and it pisses off correct grade parents because they view the player playing down as unrecruitable and wasting minutes.

So they'll be given 2 options play on the B team with their correct grade. Or play on the B team a grade down and be double screwed for recruiting. This is assuming they're not good enough to make the A team thats their grade in school.

If you had just started as a younger on the correct grade team you would have developed with higher level players and not been in the situation.

What will happen is that you won't get your way and will get really angry, just like has happened so far.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Step 3 is never going to happen, if your supposition is true. August players playing a grade below their actual will either be good enough to play up, or just knock off dead wood not good enough from the rosters of their SY year, but grade below, teams. Those kids getting knocked off didn't earn their spot and should move to another club or team b.

The numbers are so small, no one is going to do anything for the tiny number who impacted. It took a decade to fix trapped players for 30% of all kids.

What will happen is clubs that are serious about recruitment will play players by grade on their top teams. They wont allow older grade in school players to play down even if they're eligible because it screws over the player when it comes to recruitment and it pisses off correct grade parents because they view the player playing down as unrecruitable and wasting minutes.

So they'll be given 2 options play on the B team with their correct grade. Or play on the B team a grade down and be double screwed for recruiting. This is assuming they're not good enough to make the A team thats their grade in school.

If you had just started as a younger on the correct grade team you would have developed with higher level players and not been in the situation.

What will happen is that you won't get your way and will get really angry, just like has happened so far.

Why would I be angry? I've seen this play out before.

The only thing differnet today is the number of parents looking for / speaking out situations where their kid can be the oldest on the team. It used to be that everyone was looking to play up. The undercurrent of looking to play down didnt exist.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Step 3 is never going to happen, if your supposition is true. August players playing a grade below their actual will either be good enough to play up, or just knock off dead wood not good enough from the rosters of their SY year, but grade below, teams. Those kids getting knocked off didn't earn their spot and should move to another club or team b.

The numbers are so small, no one is going to do anything for the tiny number who impacted. It took a decade to fix trapped players for 30% of all kids.

What will happen is clubs that are serious about recruitment will play players by grade on their top teams. They wont allow older grade in school players to play down even if they're eligible because it screws over the player when it comes to recruitment and it pisses off correct grade parents because they view the player playing down as unrecruitable and wasting minutes.

So they'll be given 2 options play on the B team with their correct grade. Or play on the B team a grade down and be double screwed for recruiting. This is assuming they're not good enough to make the A team thats their grade in school.

If you had just started as a younger on the correct grade team you would have developed with higher level players and not been in the situation.

What will happen is that you won't get your way and will get really angry, just like has happened so far.

Why would I be angry? I've seen this play out before.

The only thing differnet today is the number of parents looking for / speaking out situations where their kid can be the oldest on the team. It used to be that everyone was looking to play up. The undercurrent of looking to play down didnt exist.

You seem pretty angry no team or league feel for your SY +30 scheme after over about 6 months of countless posts and even struggled to find anyone who agree to that this nonsense had merit. All to help your DD at the expense of others.

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The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Step 3 is never going to happen, if your supposition is true. August players playing a grade below their actual will either be good enough to play up, or just knock off dead wood not good enough from the rosters of their SY year, but grade below, teams. Those kids getting knocked off didn't earn their spot and should move to another club or team b.

The numbers are so small, no one is going to do anything for the tiny number who impacted. It took a decade to fix trapped players for 30% of all kids.

What will happen is clubs that are serious about recruitment will play players by grade on their top teams. They wont allow older grade in school players to play down even if they're eligible because it screws over the player when it comes to recruitment and it pisses off correct grade parents because they view the player playing down as unrecruitable and wasting minutes.

So they'll be given 2 options play on the B team with their correct grade. Or play on the B team a grade down and be double screwed for recruiting. This is assuming they're not good enough to make the A team thats their grade in school.

If you had just started as a younger on the correct grade team you would have developed with higher level players and not been in the situation.

Except every club so far is not forcing anybody to play up and is pressing kids to play within their 12 month ago window save for the girls program for a small team in Wisconsin.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

Step 3 is never going to happen, if your supposition is true. August players playing a grade below their actual will either be good enough to play up, or just knock off dead wood not good enough from the rosters of their SY year, but grade below, teams. Those kids getting knocked off didn't earn their spot and should move to another club or team b.

The numbers are so small, no one is going to do anything for the tiny number who impacted. It took a decade to fix trapped players for 30% of all kids.

What will happen is clubs that are serious about recruitment will play players by grade on their top teams. They wont allow older grade in school players to play down even if they're eligible because it screws over the player when it comes to recruitment and it pisses off correct grade parents because they view the player playing down as unrecruitable and wasting minutes.

So they'll be given 2 options play on the B team with their correct grade. Or play on the B team a grade down and be double screwed for recruiting. This is assuming they're not good enough to make the A team thats their grade in school.

If you had just started as a younger on the correct grade team you would have developed with higher level players and not been in the situation.

What will happen is that you won't get your way and will get really angry, just like has happened so far.

Why would I be angry? I've seen this play out before.

The only thing differnet today is the number of parents looking for / speaking out situations where their kid can be the oldest on the team. It used to be that everyone was looking to play up. The undercurrent of looking to play down didnt exist.

You seem pretty angry no team or league feel for your SY +30 scheme after over about 6 months of countless posts and even struggled to find anyone who agree to that this nonsense had merit. All to help your DD at the expense of others.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.

What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase) invites as recruitment tools?

Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread.

Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.

So which step are we on? 1? None of us can change what the leagues or clubs will do.

If all the clubs are going to do what you say they will, then this is all pointless. You don’t need to educate anyone, it is a done deal. You can move on to whatever is next. It makes no sense to argue.

I don’t argue with people who think their earth is flat. No point to it.