3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

"Give up those freedoms." So silly.

When does regulation mean giving up? When does regulation mean "being violated"?

The Constitution gives the right to vote. Voting is regulated everywhere.

If you gun fetishists think the 2nd amendment means there can be no regulation of arms sales and ownership, then you have absolutely no argument to make for voter ID laws and all the other ways Republicans try to reduce voting by the poor and minors.

You're missing the point. I'm not arguing about regulation or no regulation. You and others who have responded, don't want to address ANY of the below constitutional concerns.

To get what you want, which is civilian disarmament, then you have to heavily curtail civil rights.

You have to break the 1st amendment such that the government can dictate what information citizens can share with one another to stop 3d printing of firearms.
You have to allow searches without probable cause breaking the 4th amendment.
You have to implement red flag laws to seize property when no crime has been committed, breaking the 5th amendment.
You have to target certain communities which tend to posses arms acquired illegally at a higher rate, which breaks the 14th amendment.

Now you're no longer living in America, but in a police state.

I'm literally just advocating for existing blue state laws at a federal level. Is NY a police state? CT? Obviously their gun laws have some impact given even the criminals in those states turn to red states for gund that kill... Checks notes... Black and brown bodies.

Stop with the exaggeration and lies for what is actually being discussed

What lies?

How do you stop 3d printing of firearms? It's laughably easy to do right now. I guess you haven't heard of ghost guns? Seems like every other crime story on WTOP says they're used.

Stop and frisk works, but blue state NY's NYC implemementation was found illegal and was directed at LatinX and African Americans and racial profiling is illegal.

Red flags haven't made it to the supreme court, but NY's law was found unconstitutional.

Blue state laws don't work when anyone with a $300 3d printer can make them.

Blue state laws don't work when they get tossed out of court for being illegal.

If I had to choose being in a mass shooting with an AR-15 or one with a 3D printed gun with 3D printed bullets, I sure as hell know which one I’d choose.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

You have not said how you would take those guns out of circulaton.

You know exactly what it would take to do that and know that it is not something anyone is willing to do.

I (and others) previously posted to you that this would not be done other than incentivizing (toys for guns, yadda yadda) gun return, but it would be a moving forward legislature. You ignored all of that, so. Shrug. Red flag law could have worked in the Nashville case if there was one.

Then you really aren't serious about ending mass shootings and don't care about black and brown bodies.

400 million guns are on the streets and most mass shootings are not school shootings like this week's. Your proposals will do nothing to stop those shootings.

Giuliani's warrantless stop and frisk targeted black and brown bodies and while it worked, it violated civil rights and put black and brown bodies in fear. It was not legal either.

Red flag laws will likely not get past SCOTUS either, and as were struck down in NY state.

Again to do what you suggest, along with door to door would turn the USA into an authoritarian hell hole.

So, I agree 100% with this DCUM Politics post, a first. Thank you for putting all this so succinctly.

Yet snother person ignoring that red state laws supply most US criminals with their guns and conservatives failure to reign in straw purchases as a major factor in deaths of black and brown bodies.

Yet another person ignoring that existing laws in blue states WORK statistically to lower shooting events except that criminals are primarily sourcing their guns from incompetent red states

Yet another person who fails to have anything useful to say to anyone personally impacted by gun violence.

As for the red states thing, someone already called you out on that. ATF data doesn't show that for Chicago as you previously argued.

FBI data shows that firearms violence rates are primarily intra racial group and that it overwhelming occurs among black and brown bodies. Re-implementing racist Jim Crow era laws to prevent that is entirely unacceptable. Support for BLM ensures that will rightly, never occur.



I think everyone would agree to increase straw purchase prosecutions and penalties.

PS I never supported stop and frisk and have not said anything about it. I do support red flag laws they already exist even if not in NYC.

So what do you suggest other than shooting down ideas and shrugging your shoulders?

As a civil libertarian, anything that doesn't infringe on civil liberties.

I see no problem with prioritizing straw purchase prosecutions and automatically making that person an accessory to murder.
Requiring concealed carry permit holders to use police training VR related to use of force in order to demonstrate proficiency of firearms usage.
Encouraging people to stop using social media.
Discouraging minors from accessing social media until the age of majority.
Encouraging media companies to stop naming anyone involved in a mass shooting.
Increasing SEL and mental health surveys in schools.
Increase funding via the schools for mental health services.
Anything that can increase community involvement for troubled youth.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

"Give up those freedoms." So silly.

When does regulation mean giving up? When does regulation mean "being violated"?

The Constitution gives the right to vote. Voting is regulated everywhere.

If you gun fetishists think the 2nd amendment means there can be no regulation of arms sales and ownership, then you have absolutely no argument to make for voter ID laws and all the other ways Republicans try to reduce voting by the poor and minors.

You're missing the point. I'm not arguing about regulation or no regulation. You and others who have responded, don't want to address ANY of the below constitutional concerns.

To get what you want, which is civilian disarmament, then you have to heavily curtail civil rights.

You have to break the 1st amendment such that the government can dictate what information citizens can share with one another to stop 3d printing of firearms.
You have to allow searches without probable cause breaking the 4th amendment.
You have to implement red flag laws to seize property when no crime has been committed, breaking the 5th amendment.
You have to target certain communities which tend to posses arms acquired illegally at a higher rate, which breaks the 14th amendment.

Now you're no longer living in America, but in a police state.

I'm literally just advocating for existing blue state laws at a federal level. Is NY a police state? CT? Obviously their gun laws have some impact given even the criminals in those states turn to red states for gund that kill... Checks notes... Black and brown bodies.

Stop with the exaggeration and lies for what is actually being discussed

What lies?

How do you stop 3d printing of firearms? It's laughably easy to do right now. I guess you haven't heard of ghost guns? Seems like every other crime story on WTOP says they're used.

Stop and frisk works, but blue state NY's NYC implemementation was found illegal and was directed at LatinX and African Americans and racial profiling is illegal.

Red flags haven't made it to the supreme court, but NY's law was found unconstitutional.

Blue state laws don't work when anyone with a $300 3d printer can make them.

Blue state laws don't work when they get tossed out of court for being illegal.

If I had to choose being in a mass shooting with an AR-15 or one with a 3D printed gun with 3D printed bullets, I sure as hell know which one I’d choose.

Take a look at 3d printed glock clones and the "auto gunner" which will make a ar15 receiver for you out of aluminum. That alone with reusing brass and I'd have zero concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

"Give up those freedoms." So silly.

When does regulation mean giving up? When does regulation mean "being violated"?

The Constitution gives the right to vote. Voting is regulated everywhere.

If you gun fetishists think the 2nd amendment means there can be no regulation of arms sales and ownership, then you have absolutely no argument to make for voter ID laws and all the other ways Republicans try to reduce voting by the poor and minors.

You're missing the point. I'm not arguing about regulation or no regulation. You and others who have responded, don't want to address ANY of the below constitutional concerns.

To get what you want, which is civilian disarmament, then you have to heavily curtail civil rights.

You have to break the 1st amendment such that the government can dictate what information citizens can share with one another to stop 3d printing of firearms.
You have to allow searches without probable cause breaking the 4th amendment.
You have to implement red flag laws to seize property when no crime has been committed, breaking the 5th amendment.
You have to target certain communities which tend to posses arms acquired illegally at a higher rate, which breaks the 14th amendment.

Now you're no longer living in America, but in a police state.

I'm literally just advocating for existing blue state laws at a federal level. Is NY a police state? CT? Obviously their gun laws have some impact given even the criminals in those states turn to red states for gund that kill... Checks notes... Black and brown bodies.

Stop with the exaggeration and lies for what is actually being discussed

What lies?

How do you stop 3d printing of firearms? It's laughably easy to do right now. I guess you haven't heard of ghost guns? Seems like every other crime story on WTOP says they're used.

Stop and frisk works, but blue state NY's NYC implemementation was found illegal and was directed at LatinX and African Americans and racial profiling is illegal.

Red flags haven't made it to the supreme court, but NY's law was found unconstitutional.

Blue state laws don't work when anyone with a $300 3d printer can make them.

Blue state laws don't work when they get tossed out of court for being illegal.

If I had to choose being in a mass shooting with an AR-15 or one with a 3D printed gun with 3D printed bullets, I sure as hell know which one I’d choose.

Take a look at 3d printed glock clones and the "auto gunner" which will make a ar15 receiver for you out of aluminum. That alone with reusing brass and I'd have zero concerns.

Getting a high quality 3D printer, the right materials to print gun and ammo, finding the best plans online (an act that leaves a digital footprint and would be tougher if all that has to go to the dark web), setting up and printing things correctly, vs walking into a gun store and buying 7 weapons and numerous rounds of ammo in a half hour. Hmmm which one will lead to more killing?

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

"Give up those freedoms." So silly.

When does regulation mean giving up? When does regulation mean "being violated"?

The Constitution gives the right to vote. Voting is regulated everywhere.

If you gun fetishists think the 2nd amendment means there can be no regulation of arms sales and ownership, then you have absolutely no argument to make for voter ID laws and all the other ways Republicans try to reduce voting by the poor and minors.

You're missing the point. I'm not arguing about regulation or no regulation. You and others who have responded, don't want to address ANY of the below constitutional concerns.

To get what you want, which is civilian disarmament, then you have to heavily curtail civil rights.

You have to break the 1st amendment such that the government can dictate what information citizens can share with one another to stop 3d printing of firearms.
You have to allow searches without probable cause breaking the 4th amendment.
You have to implement red flag laws to seize property when no crime has been committed, breaking the 5th amendment.
You have to target certain communities which tend to posses arms acquired illegally at a higher rate, which breaks the 14th amendment.

Now you're no longer living in America, but in a police state.

I'm literally just advocating for existing blue state laws at a federal level. Is NY a police state? CT? Obviously their gun laws have some impact given even the criminals in those states turn to red states for gund that kill... Checks notes... Black and brown bodies.

Stop with the exaggeration and lies for what is actually being discussed

What lies?

How do you stop 3d printing of firearms? It's laughably easy to do right now. I guess you haven't heard of ghost guns? Seems like every other crime story on WTOP says they're used.

Stop and frisk works, but blue state NY's NYC implemementation was found illegal and was directed at LatinX and African Americans and racial profiling is illegal.

Red flags haven't made it to the supreme court, but NY's law was found unconstitutional.

Blue state laws don't work when anyone with a $300 3d printer can make them.

Blue state laws don't work when they get tossed out of court for being illegal.

If I had to choose being in a mass shooting with an AR-15 or one with a 3D printed gun with 3D printed bullets, I sure as hell know which one I’d choose.

Take a look at 3d printed glock clones and the "auto gunner" which will make a ar15 receiver for you out of aluminum. That alone with reusing brass and I'd have zero concerns.

Getting a high quality 3D printer, the right materials to print gun and ammo, finding the best plans online (an act that leaves a digital footprint and would be tougher if all that has to go to the dark web), setting up and printing things correctly, vs walking into a gun store and buying 7 weapons and numerous rounds of ammo in a half hour. Hmmm which one will lead to more killing?

You're trying to be logical. Doesn't work with the gun strokers.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

"Give up those freedoms." So silly.

When does regulation mean giving up? When does regulation mean "being violated"?

The Constitution gives the right to vote. Voting is regulated everywhere.

If you gun fetishists think the 2nd amendment means there can be no regulation of arms sales and ownership, then you have absolutely no argument to make for voter ID laws and all the other ways Republicans try to reduce voting by the poor and minors.

You're missing the point. I'm not arguing about regulation or no regulation. You and others who have responded, don't want to address ANY of the below constitutional concerns.

To get what you want, which is civilian disarmament, then you have to heavily curtail civil rights.

You have to break the 1st amendment such that the government can dictate what information citizens can share with one another to stop 3d printing of firearms.
You have to allow searches without probable cause breaking the 4th amendment.
You have to implement red flag laws to seize property when no crime has been committed, breaking the 5th amendment.
You have to target certain communities which tend to posses arms acquired illegally at a higher rate, which breaks the 14th amendment.

Now you're no longer living in America, but in a police state.

I'm literally just advocating for existing blue state laws at a federal level. Is NY a police state? CT? Obviously their gun laws have some impact given even the criminals in those states turn to red states for gund that kill... Checks notes... Black and brown bodies.

Stop with the exaggeration and lies for what is actually being discussed

What lies?

How do you stop 3d printing of firearms? It's laughably easy to do right now. I guess you haven't heard of ghost guns? Seems like every other crime story on WTOP says they're used.

Stop and frisk works, but blue state NY's NYC implemementation was found illegal and was directed at LatinX and African Americans and racial profiling is illegal.

Red flags haven't made it to the supreme court, but NY's law was found unconstitutional.

Blue state laws don't work when anyone with a $300 3d printer can make them.

Blue state laws don't work when they get tossed out of court for being illegal.

If I had to choose being in a mass shooting with an AR-15 or one with a 3D printed gun with 3D printed bullets, I sure as hell know which one I’d choose.

Take a look at 3d printed glock clones and the "auto gunner" which will make a ar15 receiver for you out of aluminum. That alone with reusing brass and I'd have zero concerns.

Getting a high quality 3D printer, the right materials to print gun and ammo, finding the best plans online (an act that leaves a digital footprint and would be tougher if all that has to go to the dark web), setting up and printing things correctly, vs walking into a gun store and buying 7 weapons and numerous rounds of ammo in a half hour. Hmmm which one will lead to more killing?

The gun nuts don't care how easy it is to go out and buy weapons of mass killing to blow children apart.

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Anonymous wrote:Nearly 60% of Americans want to ban the AR-15

It’s pretty fascinating to see the massive divide between the average American and Republic elites. The Supreme Court will likely obliterate Blue state gun laws in the next 1-2 years, which will just cause more violence in Blue states.

It’s like Republican elites are merrily leading this country to a violent societal collapse. I do not understand them.

I used to think it was about individual accountability, that individuals could be held accountable for their actions. I used to blame people who didn't follow the laws in place and just filed people through the system.

It's more like The Crown. It's a system and way of life that people want to preserve at all costs. The Crown itself will outlive everyone else. You end up like the late Princess Di or the exiled Prince Harry when you speak out.

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Anonymous wrote:Nearly 60% of Americans want to ban the AR-15

It’s pretty fascinating to see the massive divide between the average American and Republic elites. The Supreme Court will likely obliterate Blue state gun laws in the next 1-2 years, which will just cause more violence in Blue states.

It’s like Republican elites are merrily leading this country to a violent societal collapse. I do not understand them.

I used to think it was about individual accountability, that individuals could be held accountable for their actions. I used to blame people who didn't follow the laws in place and just filed people through the system.

It's more like The Crown. It's a system and way of life that people want to preserve at all costs. The Crown itself will outlive everyone else. You end up like the late Princess Di or the exiled Prince Harry when you speak out.

So let’s disassociate from TV land, which is fantasy, and get back to reality. Should we prosecute known gun offenses, including felons who acquire a firearm illegally?

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Teacher demonstrates the supplies he's been given in the event of a school lockdown/school shooting. Including blankets to cover dead students.

https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1271f96/the_thought_that_schools_might_sooner_or_later/

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

You have not said how you would take those guns out of circulaton.

You know exactly what it would take to do that and know that it is not something anyone is willing to do.

I (and others) previously posted to you that this would not be done other than incentivizing (toys for guns, yadda yadda) gun return, but it would be a moving forward legislature. You ignored all of that, so. Shrug. Red flag law could have worked in the Nashville case if there was one.

Then you really aren't serious about ending mass shootings and don't care about black and brown bodies.

400 million guns are on the streets and most mass shootings are not school shootings like this week's. Your proposals will do nothing to stop those shootings.

Giuliani's warrantless stop and frisk targeted black and brown bodies and while it worked, it violated civil rights and put black and brown bodies in fear. It was not legal either.

Red flag laws will likely not get past SCOTUS either, and as were struck down in NY state.

Again to do what you suggest, along with door to door would turn the USA into an authoritarian hell hole.

So, I agree 100% with this DCUM Politics post, a first. Thank you for putting all this so succinctly.

Yet snother person ignoring that red state laws supply most US criminals with their guns and conservatives failure to reign in straw purchases as a major factor in deaths of black and brown bodies.

Yet another person ignoring that existing laws in blue states WORK statistically to lower shooting events except that criminals are primarily sourcing their guns from incompetent red states

Yet another person who fails to have anything useful to say to anyone personally impacted by gun violence.

As for the red states thing, someone already called you out on that. ATF data doesn't show that for Chicago as you previously argued.

FBI data shows that firearms violence rates are primarily intra racial group and that it overwhelming occurs among black and brown bodies. Re-implementing racist Jim Crow era laws to prevent that is entirely unacceptable. Support for BLM ensures that will rightly, never occur.



I think everyone would agree to increase straw purchase prosecutions and penalties.

PS I never supported stop and frisk and have not said anything about it. I do support red flag laws they already exist even if not in NYC.

So what do you suggest other than shooting down ideas and shrugging your shoulders?

As a civil libertarian, anything that doesn't infringe on civil liberties.

I see no problem with prioritizing straw purchase prosecutions and automatically making that person an accessory to murder.
Requiring concealed carry permit holders to use police training VR related to use of force in order to demonstrate proficiency of firearms usage.
Encouraging people to stop using social media.
Discouraging minors from accessing social media until the age of majority.
Encouraging media companies to stop naming anyone involved in a mass shooting.
Increasing SEL and mental health surveys in schools.
Increase funding via the schools for mental health services.
Anything that can increase community involvement for troubled youth.

But you still think it's fine to allow someone with a known history of seriious mental health issues to buy 7 guns in rapid succession? Or for a household with someone with a history of seriouos mental health issues to allow that person to access the guns in their household?

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

You have not said how you would take those guns out of circulaton.

You know exactly what it would take to do that and know that it is not something anyone is willing to do.

I (and others) previously posted to you that this would not be done other than incentivizing (toys for guns, yadda yadda) gun return, but it would be a moving forward legislature. You ignored all of that, so. Shrug. Red flag law could have worked in the Nashville case if there was one.

Then you really aren't serious about ending mass shootings and don't care about black and brown bodies.

400 million guns are on the streets and most mass shootings are not school shootings like this week's. Your proposals will do nothing to stop those shootings.

Giuliani's warrantless stop and frisk targeted black and brown bodies and while it worked, it violated civil rights and put black and brown bodies in fear. It was not legal either.

Red flag laws will likely not get past SCOTUS either, and as were struck down in NY state.

Again to do what you suggest, along with door to door would turn the USA into an authoritarian hell hole.

So, I agree 100% with this DCUM Politics post, a first. Thank you for putting all this so succinctly.

Yet snother person ignoring that red state laws supply most US criminals with their guns and conservatives failure to reign in straw purchases as a major factor in deaths of black and brown bodies.

Yet another person ignoring that existing laws in blue states WORK statistically to lower shooting events except that criminals are primarily sourcing their guns from incompetent red states

Yet another person who fails to have anything useful to say to anyone personally impacted by gun violence.

As for the red states thing, someone already called you out on that. ATF data doesn't show that for Chicago as you previously argued.

FBI data shows that firearms violence rates are primarily intra racial group and that it overwhelming occurs among black and brown bodies. Re-implementing racist Jim Crow era laws to prevent that is entirely unacceptable. Support for BLM ensures that will rightly, never occur.



I think everyone would agree to increase straw purchase prosecutions and penalties.

PS I never supported stop and frisk and have not said anything about it. I do support red flag laws they already exist even if not in NYC.

So what do you suggest other than shooting down ideas and shrugging your shoulders?

As a civil libertarian, anything that doesn't infringe on civil liberties.

I see no problem with prioritizing straw purchase prosecutions and automatically making that person an accessory to murder.
Requiring concealed carry permit holders to use police training VR related to use of force in order to demonstrate proficiency of firearms usage.
Encouraging people to stop using social media.
Discouraging minors from accessing social media until the age of majority.
Encouraging media companies to stop naming anyone involved in a mass shooting.
Increasing SEL and mental health surveys in schools.
Increase funding via the schools for mental health services.
Anything that can increase community involvement for troubled youth.

As a civil libertarian, don't you believe that school children, synagogue and church attendees and others should have the right and the freedom to be able to go about their day in peace and without worry or having to be burdened with the notion of having to be armed against gun-wielding lunatics who wants to take away their freedoms and gun them down? I think the freedom and right to live outweighs the freedom of disturbed people and criminals to have easy access to guns, don't you?

As a civil libertarian, don't you think we should provide robust mental healthcare to people who currently can't afford it or otherwise wouldn't pursue it so that they can live their fullest, healthiest, and safest lives?

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

"Give up those freedoms." So silly.

When does regulation mean giving up? When does regulation mean "being violated"?

The Constitution gives the right to vote. Voting is regulated everywhere.

If you gun fetishists think the 2nd amendment means there can be no regulation of arms sales and ownership, then you have absolutely no argument to make for voter ID laws and all the other ways Republicans try to reduce voting by the poor and minors.

You're missing the point. I'm not arguing about regulation or no regulation. You and others who have responded, don't want to address ANY of the below constitutional concerns.

To get what you want, which is civilian disarmament, then you have to heavily curtail civil rights.

You have to break the 1st amendment such that the government can dictate what information citizens can share with one another to stop 3d printing of firearms.
You have to allow searches without probable cause breaking the 4th amendment.
You have to implement red flag laws to seize property when no crime has been committed, breaking the 5th amendment.
You have to target certain communities which tend to posses arms acquired illegally at a higher rate, which breaks the 14th amendment.

Now you're no longer living in America, but in a police state.

I'm literally just advocating for existing blue state laws at a federal level. Is NY a police state? CT? Obviously their gun laws have some impact given even the criminals in those states turn to red states for gund that kill... Checks notes... Black and brown bodies.

Stop with the exaggeration and lies for what is actually being discussed

What lies?

How do you stop 3d printing of firearms? It's laughably easy to do right now. I guess you haven't heard of ghost guns? Seems like every other crime story on WTOP says they're used.

Stop and frisk works, but blue state NY's NYC implemementation was found illegal and was directed at LatinX and African Americans and racial profiling is illegal.

Red flags haven't made it to the supreme court, but NY's law was found unconstitutional.

Blue state laws don't work when anyone with a $300 3d printer can make them.

Blue state laws don't work when they get tossed out of court for being illegal.

If I had to choose being in a mass shooting with an AR-15 or one with a 3D printed gun with 3D printed bullets, I sure as hell know which one I’d choose.

Take a look at 3d printed glock clones and the "auto gunner" which will make a ar15 receiver for you out of aluminum. That alone with reusing brass and I'd have zero concerns.

Getting a high quality 3D printer, the right materials to print gun and ammo, finding the best plans online (an act that leaves a digital footprint and would be tougher if all that has to go to the dark web), setting up and printing things correctly, vs walking into a gun store and buying 7 weapons and numerous rounds of ammo in a half hour. Hmmm which one will lead to more killing?

The gun nuts don't care how easy it is to go out and buy weapons of mass killing to blow children apart.

They joyfully go on gun buying sprees after children are blown to bits.

[Anonymous]

“Evelyn Dieckhaus, Hallie Scruggs and William Kinney, who were all 9 years old — and three adults — Cynthia Peak, 61; Katherine Koonce, 60; and Mike Hill, 61— were killed.” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/nashville-school-shooting-covenant-live-updates-rcna76861

I like to put the names of the murdered in the threads whenever these happen, especially when children have been murdered. These people leave behind parents, siblings, friends, coaches, cousins, babysitters and the adults children. So when we tally up the number of victims, we’re not just talking about the dead. We’re talking about all the living left behind too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Evelyn Dieckhaus, Hallie Scruggs and William Kinney, who were all 9 years old — and three adults — Cynthia Peak, 61; Katherine Koonce, 60; and Mike Hill, 61— were killed.” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/nashville-school-shooting-covenant-live-updates-rcna76861

I like to put the names of the murdered in the threads whenever these happen, especially when children have been murdered. These people leave behind parents, siblings, friends, coaches, cousins, babysitters and the adults children. So when we tally up the number of victims, we’re not just talking about the dead. We’re talking about all the living left behind too.

I have a younger child close in age to the youngest victims but I don’t even like the ‘especially the child victims’ part. I don’t know.

This vile, senseless tragedy has bothered me so much. Part of it is the pointless focus on the identity of the murderer - I don’t care. Their last act in life was stealing life from others and destroying the psyches of the survivors. I don’t care about controversy regarding transitions and pronouns; the throughline between this and other tragedies was the arsenal this maniac obtained.

Apart from that - I really detest the search for a reason here (not by you, PP). The pointless search for sense in the rubble of self-evident senselessness! Here, because of what I’m terming identity questions and the presumption about the social environment of the school community, there’s been a great deal of victim blaming of the principal, Ms. Koonce - oh, maybe she ruled over a school that permitted terrible bullying or child sexual abuse! Maybe one of the little girls blown to absolute bits, the daughter of the pastor, was targeted by the murderer! But we have no evidence whatsoever of any of those things. And we’ll never have a reason. Ever. None of it will ever make sense.

Just today, released information from the FBI about the mass shooter who slaughtered dozens in Las Vegas indicated that that vile murderer was angered by his interpretation of how casinos treated certain customers. And his solution was not shooting out a casino - it was sniping at joyous audience members of a music festival. His reason had no reason. But hell, he didn’t need one because he had his arsenal, and a big proportion of as-yet undeleted posts here starting around page 4 indicate whaddyagonnado because regulation apparently equals….communism.

I just can’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Evelyn Dieckhaus, Hallie Scruggs and William Kinney, who were all 9 years old — and three adults — Cynthia Peak, 61; Katherine Koonce, 60; and Mike Hill, 61— were killed.” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/nashville-school-shooting-covenant-live-updates-rcna76861

I like to put the names of the murdered in the threads whenever these happen, especially when children have been murdered. These people leave behind parents, siblings, friends, coaches, cousins, babysitters and the adults children. So when we tally up the number of victims, we’re not just talking about the dead. We’re talking about all the living left behind too.

I have a younger child close in age to the youngest victims but I don’t even like the ‘especially the child victims’ part. I don’t know.

This vile, senseless tragedy has bothered me so much. Part of it is the pointless focus on the identity of the murderer - I don’t care. Their last act in life was stealing life from others and destroying the psyches of the survivors. I don’t care about controversy regarding transitions and pronouns; the throughline between this and other tragedies was the arsenal this maniac obtained.

Apart from that - I really detest the search for a reason here (not by you, PP). The pointless search for sense in the rubble of self-evident senselessness! Here, because of what I’m terming identity questions and the presumption about the social environment of the school community, there’s been a great deal of victim blaming of the principal, Ms. Koonce - oh, maybe she ruled over a school that permitted terrible bullying or child sexual abuse! Maybe one of the little girls blown to absolute bits, the daughter of the pastor, was targeted by the murderer! But we have no evidence whatsoever of any of those things. And we’ll never have a reason. Ever. None of it will ever make sense.

Just today, released information from the FBI about the mass shooter who slaughtered dozens in Las Vegas indicated that that vile murderer was angered by his interpretation of how casinos treated certain customers. And his solution was not shooting out a casino - it was sniping at joyous audience members of a music festival. His reason had no reason. But hell, he didn’t need one because he had his arsenal, and a big proportion of as-yet undeleted posts here starting around page 4 indicate whaddyagonnado because regulation apparently equals….communism.

I just can’t.

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