Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This forum was originally for people living in the DC metro area. There are some posters who are generally afraid of nuclear war, because they live near an obvious target. I don’t think there is much of a chance of that, but it certainly isn’t zero.
Some of them are willing to overlook the kidnapping, rape, and torture of Ukrainian children, if it means the threat of getting nuked goes back down to zero.
Not bots, just people who are scared.

You are funny. There are thousands of kidnappings, rape, and torture happening at your southern borders and they were willing to overlook it for years.

Example of propaganda number 207: whataboustism intended to deflect and derail the topic and cause confusion.

Are you denying rapes committed by the people who illegally crossed the southern border or are you denying the fact that people in DC ignored these rapes?
There is no deflection in the post above and it is direct on point: if Washingtonians didn't care about children being raped in their own country, why would they be concerned about children bing raped in Ukraine?

Thread derail defeated. No points to bots (or paid shill), back on topic. Thanks and have a blessed day, little propagandist.

Do you call posters bots every time you are unable to answer the question?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This forum was originally for people living in the DC metro area. There are some posters who are generally afraid of nuclear war, because they live near an obvious target. I don’t think there is much of a chance of that, but it certainly isn’t zero.
Some of them are willing to overlook the kidnapping, rape, and torture of Ukrainian children, if it means the threat of getting nuked goes back down to zero.
Not bots, just people who are scared.

You are funny. There are thousands of kidnappings, rape, and torture happening at your southern borders and they were willing to overlook it for years.

Example of propaganda number 207: whataboustism intended to deflect and derail the topic and cause confusion.

Are you denying rapes committed by the people who illegally crossed the southern border or are you denying the fact that people in DC ignored these rapes?
There is no deflection in the post above and it is direct on point: if Washingtonians didn't care about children being raped in their own country, why would they be concerned about children bing raped in Ukraine?

Thread derail defeated. No points to bots (or paid shill), back on topic. Thanks and have a blessed day, little propagandist.

Do you call posters bots every time you are unable to answer the question?

Oh, do I want to humor a bot’s attempt to derail a thread, or otherwise cause confusion, which is a known propaganda technique? Not really. Rather than whataboutism I’d like to focus on the fact that Russia illegally invaded Ukraine and America is doing a great job helping Ukraine, as it should with this great injustice.

Start another thread lil guy for whatever dumb sht you want to talk about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This forum was originally for people living in the DC metro area. There are some posters who are generally afraid of nuclear war, because they live near an obvious target. I don’t think there is much of a chance of that, but it certainly isn’t zero.
Some of them are willing to overlook the kidnapping, rape, and torture of Ukrainian children, if it means the threat of getting nuked goes back down to zero.
Not bots, just people who are scared.

I’m sorry they are scared. They are the modern day equivalent of French collaborators in WW2.

I’m sorry they think allowing Putin getting access to one of the worlds grain baskets (Ukraine) and better access to the Black Sea and natural gas pipelines through illegal annexation and, more importantly, the message that the US just sits by and does nothing while it happens is a good message and that’s pathetic.

I’m sorry these posters are so unable to grasp that rolling over, sitting it out, and isolationalsim aren’t ultimately in the worlds or our best interest. But then again as one noted they are simply suburban housewives from MD who probably are paranoid and watch Fox too much.

Or they are bots or paid shills. And those are not exaggerations because there is a massive propaganda campaign underway, much of which is dedicating to grinding down support for the cause.

I live in DC, 1.5 miles from the Capitol, 2.5 miles from the White House, and 3 miles from the Pentagon. I'm not scared in the least. If we get nuked, we get nuked. I won't feel it. It will be worse for others, especially Russia, because they will not likely be able to stop our nuclear attack subs and other assets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This forum was originally for people living in the DC metro area. There are some posters who are generally afraid of nuclear war, because they live near an obvious target. I don’t think there is much of a chance of that, but it certainly isn’t zero.
Some of them are willing to overlook the kidnapping, rape, and torture of Ukrainian children, if it means the threat of getting nuked goes back down to zero.
Not bots, just people who are scared.

I was worried about this when the war started. It after seeing Russias military there is no way in hell over 10% of their nukes work.

Of the 10% I am confident they would be shot down or miss their target entirely.

I live 2 miles from the pentagon which is target #1. Not worried at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I check in on this thread now and again. Seems a bit off the rails last few pages.

To get back on topic- Russia is the bad guy here. Like the anti-Christ of civilization.

Good guy - Ukraine who was just living their lives and got invaded.

Interested parties - the west; who said that is not cool to invade your next door neighbor. Here are weapons.

China - who thinks it is cool and should invade Taiwan itself.

Africa- on the sidelines but Russia never did the who slave thing so they are better bet than the west so we will hook them up where we can.

Middle East - business as usual; play both sides just to make life suck for both sides

The US never opposed invasions in principle. It’s a lie for you to say that they did.

The US and almost the entire world has indeed been against, on principle, wars of territorial expansion. Territorial integrity is one of the key foundational principles of the UN and the post-WW2 international order.

So it's cool to invade as long as it's not for territorial expansion?

What is Israel doing?

What is Turkey doing in Cyprus?

Yours is text book “firehose of misinformation” and derail the topic on display.

If you read about the techniques employed to whittle away support, you are doing exactly that.

This is a thread about why it’s good to support Ukraine, the place that Russia attacked. If you want to start a separate thread to criticize something else you are free to do that. But being a bot, you probably aren’t at that level of sophistication yet to develop your own posts. Needless to say, the topic here is that Russia illegally invaded Ukraine and they need to leave. They need to stop raping. So your little distraction efforts are falling flat.

For more clarity:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

Distinctive Features of the Contemporary Model for Russian Propaganda

High-volume and multichannel

Rapid, continuous, and repetitive

Lacks commitment to objective reality

Lacks commitment to consistency.

Interestingly, several of these features run directly counter to the conventional wisdom on effective influence and communication from government or defense sources, which traditionally emphasize the importance of truth, credibility, and the avoidance of contradiction.3 Despite ignoring these traditional principles, Russia seems to have enjoyed some success under its contemporary propaganda model, either through more direct persuasion and influence or by engaging in obfuscation, confusion, and the disruption or diminution of truthful reporting and messaging.

I think "firehose of misinformation" is okay, but a bit meh. Some good points were hit but I disagree with the assessment that you can't counter using truth.

I once had a Russian propaganda troll so livid, he communicated a threat on a blog - a very image-laden threat. You have to understand that some Russian history or versions of events are either not taught or taught in an 'alternative reality' version. An example is Stalin's holodomor, or when the same Russian state TV propagandist contradicts themselves and you play the videos side-by-side. If you lay it out in a rationale sequence that supports your assertion, the ones who are the most heavily brainwashed eventually lose grip.

If you're looking for a really good take on the Soviet thinking style, I haven't seen anything better than Yuri Bezmenov's videos and book, even though it's old. It seems to explain everything that's been going on in the US lately. Highly encourage everyone to watch / read his work.

[Anonymous]

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I live in DC, 1.5 miles from the Capitol, 2.5 miles from the White House, and 3 miles from the Pentagon. I'm not scared in the least. If we get nuked, we get nuked. I won't feel it. It will be worse for others, especially Russia, because they will not likely be able to stop our nuclear attack subs and other assets.

You assume there would be a counterattack.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This forum was originally for people living in the DC metro area. There are some posters who are generally afraid of nuclear war, because they live near an obvious target. I don’t think there is much of a chance of that, but it certainly isn’t zero.
Some of them are willing to overlook the kidnapping, rape, and torture of Ukrainian children, if it means the threat of getting nuked goes back down to zero.
Not bots, just people who are scared.

You are funny. There are thousands of kidnappings, rape, and torture happening at your southern borders and they were willing to overlook it for years.

Example of propaganda number 207: whataboustism intended to deflect and derail the topic and cause confusion.

Are you denying rapes committed by the people who illegally crossed the southern border or are you denying the fact that people in DC ignored these rapes?
There is no deflection in the post above and it is direct on point: if Washingtonians didn't care about children being raped in their own country, why would they be concerned about children bing raped in Ukraine?

Thread derail defeated. No points to bots (or paid shill), back on topic. Thanks and have a blessed day, little propagandist.

Do you call posters bots every time you are unable to answer the question?

Russia illegally invaded US by sending billions of migrants through the US border. THe number of people that crossed US border is far exceed the number of people who crossed Russian-Ukrainina border.

Oh, do I want to humor a bot’s attempt to derail a thread, or otherwise cause confusion, which is a known propaganda technique? Not really. Rather than whataboutism I’d like to focus on the fact that Russia illegally invaded Ukraine and America is doing a great job helping Ukraine, as it should with this great injustice.

Start another thread lil guy for whatever dumb sht you want to talk about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I live in DC, 1.5 miles from the Capitol, 2.5 miles from the White House, and 3 miles from the Pentagon. I'm not scared in the least. If we get nuked, we get nuked. I won't feel it. It will be worse for others, especially Russia, because they will not likely be able to stop our nuclear attack subs and other assets.

You assume there would be a counterattack.

Russia may not even get to launch a counter attack. Once the US hits a certain level of confidence of a launch we would take out their subs first and launch preemptively in hopes of limiting what gets air borne from them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I check in on this thread now and again. Seems a bit off the rails last few pages.

To get back on topic- Russia is the bad guy here. Like the anti-Christ of civilization.

Good guy - Ukraine who was just living their lives and got invaded.

Interested parties - the west; who said that is not cool to invade your next door neighbor. Here are weapons.

China - who thinks it is cool and should invade Taiwan itself.

Africa- on the sidelines but Russia never did the who slave thing so they are better bet than the west so we will hook them up where we can.

Middle East - business as usual; play both sides just to make life suck for both sides

The US never opposed invasions in principle. It’s a lie for you to say that they did.

The US and almost the entire world has indeed been against, on principle, wars of territorial expansion. Territorial integrity is one of the key foundational principles of the UN and the post-WW2 international order.

So it's cool to invade as long as it's not for territorial expansion?

What is Israel doing?

What is Turkey doing in Cyprus?

Yours is text book “firehose of misinformation” and derail the topic on display.

If you read about the techniques employed to whittle away support, you are doing exactly that.

This is a thread about why it’s good to support Ukraine, the place that Russia attacked. If you want to start a separate thread to criticize something else you are free to do that. But being a bot, you probably aren’t at that level of sophistication yet to develop your own posts. Needless to say, the topic here is that Russia illegally invaded Ukraine and they need to leave. They need to stop raping. So your little distraction efforts are falling flat.

If that’s what the topic is, then YOU stay on topic. Don’t bring up silly things like “international order”, UN, the existential conflict between democracies and dictatorships, the evils of invasions in general etc. Because these are easily refuted. And I think you’ve turned off enough posters with your bully-like screams about bots every time someone brings up an inconvenient but factual objection. You’re just not going to be able to bully everyone into agreeing with you on all points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article is particularly enlightening based on observations of this thread. There seem to be a lot of “we are only posting here because we want peace!” posters. They only seem interested in trying to lower morale and convince anyone who will listen to abandon allies. Or maybe they actually are just unwitting Fox News viewers with poor criticism reasoning skills who can’t decipher who is targeting them with anti-Ukraine support online and are just parroting the same stuff they read.

https://time.com/6257372/russia-ukraine-war-disinformation/

Lol right. You’re the only one with truth, capital T. Everyone else is a bot or a Fox viewer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I check in on this thread now and again. Seems a bit off the rails last few pages.

To get back on topic- Russia is the bad guy here. Like the anti-Christ of civilization.

Good guy - Ukraine who was just living their lives and got invaded.

Interested parties - the west; who said that is not cool to invade your next door neighbor. Here are weapons.

China - who thinks it is cool and should invade Taiwan itself.

Africa- on the sidelines but Russia never did the who slave thing so they are better bet than the west so we will hook them up where we can.

Middle East - business as usual; play both sides just to make life suck for both sides

The US never opposed invasions in principle. It’s a lie for you to say that they did.

The US and almost the entire world has indeed been against, on principle, wars of territorial expansion. Territorial integrity is one of the key foundational principles of the UN and the post-WW2 international order.

So it's cool to invade as long as it's not for territorial expansion?

What is Israel doing?

What is Turkey doing in Cyprus?

Yours is text book “firehose of misinformation” and derail the topic on display.

If you read about the techniques employed to whittle away support, you are doing exactly that.

This is a thread about why it’s good to support Ukraine, the place that Russia attacked. If you want to start a separate thread to criticize something else you are free to do that. But being a bot, you probably aren’t at that level of sophistication yet to develop your own posts. Needless to say, the topic here is that Russia illegally invaded Ukraine and they need to leave. They need to stop raping. So your little distraction efforts are falling flat.

That is not the subject of this thread. The subject is "Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable" nor "Why ira foos to support Ukraine". You cannot analyze Ukraine's potential victory in a vacuum without reference to the history of Russia and European countries. You also cannot avoid the conversation about how Russian propaganda allows millions of invaders into US while we spend zero dollars to defend ourselves.

[Anonymous]

It might help to support your argument that Russia is sending billions of migrants to our border.
Not that I think it’s impossible ( maybe not Billions) but some receipts would help.

[Anonymous]

* also we spend BILLIONS AT OUR BORDER.
Literally billions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:* also we spend BILLIONS AT OUR BORDER.
Literally billions.

We do. But we spent those billions go bring the migrants to US, not to protect US borders from illegal entries.

[Anonymous]

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I live in DC, 1.5 miles from the Capitol, 2.5 miles from the White House, and 3 miles from the Pentagon. I'm not scared in the least. If we get nuked, we get nuked. I won't feel it. It will be worse for others, especially Russia, because they will not likely be able to stop our nuclear attack subs and other assets.

You assume there would be a counterattack.

^ oh, the Russian bot knows how to bluster.

That’s darkly conical considering the Russian casualties shown in Ukraine thus far and everything else that is viewable in real time about Russia’s!military capabilities.

Putin seems to be all hat and no cowboy. Constantly making outlandish claims and “red lines”. Basically, Russia is a backwater, fillled with demoralized regiments of drunken soldiers, with an aging arsenal, who are getting bogged down in Ukraine. The soldiers don’t really want to be there. So a fking mercenary group comprised of prisoners was brought in to be meat for the grinder. It’s disgusting and sad.

What’s worse are dunning-kruger, weakling posters here advocating that America should not stand up and do the right thing in this case, which is standing by Ukraine.