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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I check in on this thread now and again.  Seems a bit off the rails last few pages.

To get back on topic- Russia is the bad guy here.  Like the anti-Christ of civilization.

Good guy - Ukraine who was just living their lives and got invaded.

Interested parties - the west; who said that is not cool to invade your next door neighbor.  Here are weapons.

China - who thinks it is cool and should invade Taiwan itself.

Africa- on the sidelines but Russia never did the who slave thing so they are better bet than the west so we will hook them up where we can.

Middle East - business as usual; play both sides just to make life suck for both sides [/quote]

The US never opposed invasions in principle. It’s a lie for you to say that they did.[/quote]

The US and almost the entire world has indeed been against, on principle, wars of territorial expansion.  Territorial integrity is one of the key foundational principles of the UN and the post-WW2 international order.[/quote]

So it's cool to invade as long as it's not for territorial expansion?

What is Israel doing?

What is Turkey doing in Cyprus?[/quote]

Yours is text book “firehose of misinformation” and derail the topic on display.

If you read about the techniques employed to whittle away support, you are doing exactly that.

This is a thread about why it’s good to support Ukraine, the place that Russia attacked. If you want to start a separate thread to criticize something else you are free to do that. But being a bot, you probably aren’t at that level of sophistication yet to develop your own posts. Needless to say, the topic here is that Russia illegally invaded Ukraine and they need to leave. They need to stop raping. So your little distraction efforts are falling flat.[/quote]

For more clarity:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

Distinctive Features of the Contemporary Model for Russian Propaganda

High-volume and multichannel

Rapid, continuous, and repetitive

Lacks commitment to objective reality

Lacks commitment to consistency.

Interestingly, several of these features run directly counter to the conventional wisdom on effective influence and communication from government or defense sources, which traditionally emphasize the importance of truth, credibility, and the avoidance of contradiction.3 Despite ignoring these traditional principles, Russia seems to have enjoyed some success under its contemporary propaganda model, either through more direct persuasion and influence or by engaging in obfuscation, confusion, and the disruption or diminution of truthful reporting and messaging.

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I think "firehose of misinformation" is okay, but a bit meh.  Some good points were hit but I disagree with the assessment that you can't counter using truth.

I once had a Russian propaganda troll so livid, he communicated a threat on a blog - a very image-laden threat.  You have to understand that some Russian history or versions of events are either not taught or taught in an 'alternative reality' version.  An example is Stalin's holodomor, or when the same Russian state TV propagandist contradicts themselves and you play the videos side-by-side.  If you lay it out in a rationale sequence that supports your assertion, the ones who are the most heavily brainwashed eventually lose grip.

If you're looking for a really good take on the Soviet thinking style, I haven't seen anything better than Yuri Bezmenov's videos and book, even though it's old.  It seems to explain everything that's been going on in the US lately.  Highly encourage everyone to watch / read his work.[/quote]

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