VADOE adjustments to advanced math track

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

There was a post in the FCPS forum that said they got an e-mail from their school that Fairfax was moving away from accelerated math and was inviting the parent to a pilot class of teaching multiple levels in the same class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh oh. With early results coming in in the governor's race, is VMPI finally dead?

Maybe Winsome Sears will use the assault rifle democratic ads showed her with to kill it, haha. Good riddance, VMPI.

Awfully quiet here.. I guess VMPI is dead. Long live VMPI!

Well, I mean, they still have to update the math SOLs somehow. But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

Yes, VDOE is legally required to update the math curriculum so something will get changed. I guess combining algebra and geometry was just too far out there for some parents.

Advanced math was fine and will continue to be fine, despite what the nutters said.

That was not always clear to rational people who were watching, and you know it. Stop calling concerned parents nutters. Even Jay Matthews admitted in WaPo that the only reason advanced math was fine was parental uproar. The receipts are there in the form of videos and a news article from a rural Virginia county talking about how VMPI was designed to entirely do away with tracking.

But the VMPI insanity was part of the death by 1,000 cuts that led to the Terry McAuliffe's loss.

I'm not sure it mattered. Given that it seems that the swing of the voters against McAuliffe were primarily (almost exclusively!) white non-college educated women, that doesn't seem to be the group that is most concerned with the intricacies of advanced math classes. White college-educated women voted for McAuliffe at a higher rate than they did for Biden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

There was a post in the FCPS forum that said they got an e-mail from their school that Fairfax was moving away from accelerated math and was inviting the parent to a pilot class of teaching multiple levels in the same class.

That’s not what that post said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

There was a post in the FCPS forum that said they got an e-mail from their school that Fairfax was moving away from accelerated math and was inviting the parent to a pilot class of teaching multiple levels in the same class.

That’s not what that post said.

It sort of implied that, and the documents on the pilot (ECubed) weren't that much better. What it looks like after I talked to someone in FCPS is that the ECubed schools are adding accelerated math, but doing so in flexible groupings rather than a separate track. However at some point FCPS does plan on compacting the curriculum for these kids and there still will be the same high school tracks as before, plus the new data analysis ones and the like. The question of getting rid of Pre-Algebra through Algebra II is probably an open one now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh oh. With early results coming in in the governor's race, is VMPI finally dead?

Maybe Winsome Sears will use the assault rifle democratic ads showed her with to kill it, haha. Good riddance, VMPI.

Awfully quiet here.. I guess VMPI is dead. Long live VMPI!

Well, I mean, they still have to update the math SOLs somehow. But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

Yes, VDOE is legally required to update the math curriculum so something will get changed. I guess combining algebra and geometry was just too far out there for some parents.

Advanced math was fine and will continue to be fine, despite what the nutters said.

That was not always clear to rational people who were watching, and you know it. Stop calling concerned parents nutters. Even Jay Matthews admitted in WaPo that the only reason advanced math was fine was parental uproar. The receipts are there in the form of videos and a news article from a rural Virginia county talking about how VMPI was designed to entirely do away with tracking.

But the VMPI insanity was part of the death by 1,000 cuts that led to the Terry McAuliffe's loss.

Jay said “I think the growing publicity will doom most of this reform effort.”

He was talking about VMPI overall, not tracking.


It was just speculation from a 5 min discussion in one info session and links at the bottom of the website. It was never in the infographic or listed as a bullet point as the other concepts were.

Here is from the horse’s mouth - Lane:
“Assumptions about what exact changes would be made were premature. “It is just a thought process right now,” he said. “We are going into the community. We are talking about the standards. Nothing is even in draft form or is going to the board. We are just going out and getting feedback on what people think about some of these ideas.”

Lane’s spokesman later told me “he does unequivocally denounce the idea that every student should be forced to take the exact same math courses at the same time without options for acceleration.”

Lane acknowledged that many parents have reacted negatively to VMPI presentations dumping the labels “algebra” and “geometry” in favor of lists of “essential concepts.” This sounds like evasive gobbledygook to many people, including me.

“If it brings more comfort to align the course names with things that are recognizable, we are open to that,” Lane said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

There was a post in the FCPS forum that said they got an e-mail from their school that Fairfax was moving away from accelerated math and was inviting the parent to a pilot class of teaching multiple levels in the same class.

That’s not what that post said.

It sort of implied that, and the documents on the pilot (ECubed) weren't that much better. What it looks like after I talked to someone in FCPS is that the ECubed schools are adding accelerated math, but doing so in flexible groupings rather than a separate track. However at some point FCPS does plan on compacting the curriculum for these kids and there still will be the same high school tracks as before, plus the new data analysis ones and the like. The question of getting rid of Pre-Algebra through Algebra II is probably an open one now.

No, it didn’t.

Do you mean “get rid of” the course names if they are blending concepts - PA - A2?

Because there is zero question that the content will continue to be taught.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh oh. With early results coming in in the governor's race, is VMPI finally dead?

Maybe Winsome Sears will use the assault rifle democratic ads showed her with to kill it, haha. Good riddance, VMPI.

Awfully quiet here.. I guess VMPI is dead. Long live VMPI!

Well, I mean, they still have to update the math SOLs somehow. But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

Yes, VDOE is legally required to update the math curriculum so something will get changed. I guess combining algebra and geometry was just too far out there for some parents.

Advanced math was fine and will continue to be fine, despite what the nutters said.

That was not always clear to rational people who were watching, and you know it. Stop calling concerned parents nutters. Even Jay Matthews admitted in WaPo that the only reason advanced math was fine was parental uproar. The receipts are there in the form of videos and a news article from a rural Virginia county talking about how VMPI was designed to entirely do away with tracking.

But the VMPI insanity was part of the death by 1,000 cuts that led to the Terry McAuliffe's loss.

Jay said “I think the growing publicity will doom most of this reform effort.”

He was talking about VMPI overall, not tracking.


It was just speculation from a 5 min discussion in one info session and links at the bottom of the website. It was never in the infographic or listed as a bullet point as the other concepts were.

Here is from the horse’s mouth - Lane:
“Assumptions about what exact changes would be made were premature. “It is just a thought process right now,” he said. “We are going into the community. We are talking about the standards. Nothing is even in draft form or is going to the board. We are just going out and getting feedback on what people think about some of these ideas.”

Lane’s spokesman later told me “he does unequivocally denounce the idea that every student should be forced to take the exact same math courses at the same time without options for acceleration.”

Lane acknowledged that many parents have reacted negatively to VMPI presentations dumping the labels “algebra” and “geometry” in favor of lists of “essential concepts.” This sounds like evasive gobbledygook to many people, including me.

“If it brings more comfort to align the course names with things that are recognizable, we are open to that,” Lane said.

Since Jeff deleted the thread, it's hard to prove that you're cherry picking. But you are. Not sure if you know it or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh oh. With early results coming in in the governor's race, is VMPI finally dead?

Maybe Winsome Sears will use the assault rifle democratic ads showed her with to kill it, haha. Good riddance, VMPI.

Awfully quiet here.. I guess VMPI is dead. Long live VMPI!

Well, I mean, they still have to update the math SOLs somehow. But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

Yes, VDOE is legally required to update the math curriculum so something will get changed. I guess combining algebra and geometry was just too far out there for some parents.

Advanced math was fine and will continue to be fine, despite what the nutters said.

That was not always clear to rational people who were watching, and you know it. Stop calling concerned parents nutters. Even Jay Matthews admitted in WaPo that the only reason advanced math was fine was parental uproar. The receipts are there in the form of videos and a news article from a rural Virginia county talking about how VMPI was designed to entirely do away with tracking.

But the VMPI insanity was part of the death by 1,000 cuts that led to the Terry McAuliffe's loss.

Jay said “I think the growing publicity will doom most of this reform effort.”

He was talking about VMPI overall, not tracking.


It was just speculation from a 5 min discussion in one info session and links at the bottom of the website. It was never in the infographic or listed as a bullet point as the other concepts were.

Here is from the horse’s mouth - Lane:
“Assumptions about what exact changes would be made were premature. “It is just a thought process right now,” he said. “We are going into the community. We are talking about the standards. Nothing is even in draft form or is going to the board. We are just going out and getting feedback on what people think about some of these ideas.”

Lane’s spokesman later told me “he does unequivocally denounce the idea that every student should be forced to take the exact same math courses at the same time without options for acceleration.”

Lane acknowledged that many parents have reacted negatively to VMPI presentations dumping the labels “algebra” and “geometry” in favor of lists of “essential concepts.” This sounds like evasive gobbledygook to many people, including me.

“If it brings more comfort to align the course names with things that are recognizable, we are open to that,” Lane said.

Since Jeff deleted the thread, it's hard to prove that you're cherry picking. But you are. Not sure if you know it or not.

I’m referencing comments from Matthews and Lane. ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
But the VMPI insanity was part of the death by 1,000 cuts that led to the Terry McAuliffe's loss.

I saw a Youngkin ad specifically on VMPI, that he will get rid of it. Said the idea was parents need to give up their privilege for equitable schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

There was a post in the FCPS forum that said they got an e-mail from their school that Fairfax was moving away from accelerated math and was inviting the parent to a pilot class of teaching multiple levels in the same class.

That’s not what that post said.

It sort of implied that, and the documents on the pilot (ECubed) weren't that much better. What it looks like after I talked to someone in FCPS is that the ECubed schools are adding accelerated math, but doing so in flexible groupings rather than a separate track. However at some point FCPS does plan on compacting the curriculum for these kids and there still will be the same high school tracks as before, plus the new data analysis ones and the like. The question of getting rid of Pre-Algebra through Algebra II is probably an open one now.

No, it didn’t.

Do you mean “get rid of” the course names if they are blending concepts - PA - A2?

Because there is zero question that the content will continue to be taught.

They said they were dropping content in their webinars. They want to focus on what is needed for everyone, practical, applied math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: how VMPI was designed to entirely do away with tracking.


It was just speculation from a 5 min discussion in one info session and links at the bottom of the website. It was never in the infographic or listed as a bullet point as the other concepts were.

Tina's e-mail confirmed what they were planning. It was public uproar that made them back off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

There was a post in the FCPS forum that said they got an e-mail from their school that Fairfax was moving away from accelerated math and was inviting the parent to a pilot class of teaching multiple levels in the same class.

That’s not what that post said.

"We will hold a virtual meeting for our 3rd and 4th grade parents this evening at 6:00 PM to discuss the math program we are piloting this year. The county is moving away from Advanced Mathematics courses which are focused on acceleration of mathematics concepts and moving toward instruction that provides increased engagement, advanced rigor, and opportunities for ample extemsions. This program is intended to meet the needs of any learners ready for more depth and complexity of the mathematics curriculum. Incorporating math instruction that will help children increase their level of understanding of the math curriculum will help students become more successful as they progress through higher levels of mathematics in middle and high school."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: But I think the advance math tracks are safe. FCPS is planning on preserving them, and that was before the election.

There was a post in the FCPS forum that said they got an e-mail from their school that Fairfax was moving away from accelerated math and was inviting the parent to a pilot class of teaching multiple levels in the same class.

That’s not what that post said.

"We will hold a virtual meeting for our 3rd and 4th grade parents this evening at 6:00 PM to discuss the math program we are piloting this year. The county is moving away from Advanced Mathematics courses which are focused on acceleration of mathematics concepts and moving toward instruction that provides increased engagement, advanced rigor, and opportunities for ample extemsions. This program is intended to meet the needs of any learners ready for more depth and complexity of the mathematics curriculum. Incorporating math instruction that will help children increase their level of understanding of the math curriculum will help students become more successful as they progress through higher levels of mathematics in middle and high school."

Could you provide more context? Which year, which school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: how VMPI was designed to entirely do away with tracking.


It was just speculation from a 5 min discussion in one info session and links at the bottom of the website. It was never in the infographic or listed as a bullet point as the other concepts were.

Tina's e-mail confirmed what they were planning. It was public uproar that made them back off.

An unconfirmed email.

It was certainly something they were considering but it wasn't a definite. It wasn't even listed on the website/infographic. Just something discussed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But the VMPI insanity was part of the death by 1,000 cuts that led to the Terry McAuliffe's loss.

I saw a Youngkin ad specifically on VMPI, that he will get rid of it. Said the idea was parents need to give up their privilege for equitable schools.

Gross.