Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

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I've been saying all along - teachers **should** be considered essential workers. They should be a priority to receive the vaccine. If they refuse, then they can either go back to the classroom without it or quit. I can't understand why teachers are not essential. Personally, I think this is one of the biggest underlying issues with this whole situation.



Why prioritize us and give us the vaccine when they can just not do that and still demand we go back in. I don’t think anybody wants to actually treat us like essential workers they just expect us to act like ones anyway.

This exchange is the heart of the matter. Teachers aren't respected as BOTH highly educated professionals whose lives matter AND who are essential to society. Just read any thread here on DCUM.

who says we aren't recognizing and respecting teachers? Simply put, they should be considered essential.

Again. We are not though. People think we are essential but we don’t get treated as essential employees. We are expecting to just behave as they do without the recognition. Sorry, the cynic in me knows how this works. They’ll say “teachers are essential!” And then not prioritize us for the vaccine. Open schools but not make sure we all get a vaccine first. Call us essential yet never show it in action. Just watch. I have no faith in leadership anymore.

Teachers are prioritized for the vaccine in Virginia. What are you talking about?

It doesn't matter, though, if only teachers are prioritized. If our family members aren't then the whole point is moot. We could be exposed to the virus by an asymptomatic carrier kid and then bring the virus home and transfer it to our elderly parents or our vulnerable family members. I'm not willing to do that. When everyone is vaccinated, including kids, then it will be safe. Until then it doesn't matter to me if I'm vaccinated because the people I love aren't. And I won't risk their lives because of a stupid job.

Moving the goalposts, tsk tsk

You can't even hear yourself.

Why do you care? He openly says he will leave if he has to. It’s not your problem if someone chooses to leave their job because the conditions don’t work for them. People are not treated in any other profession as morally bankrupt for leaving their job when it doesn’t work for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want hybrid, if and when it’s safe. I’m really annoyed that a bunch of people are trying to force a reopening now, at the height of the pandemic. That won’t keep my kids in school. I don’t want to open and shut like other districts, and I have a right to a safe hybrid reopening, too.

OMG this +1000.

Do you know me?

I don’t know if I know you. But that’s truth right there. The fact that APE continues to push reopening NOW like it’s September or October is astounding.
These folks do not care about safety. They just want kids in school. No nuance, no science.

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There’s no good science on safety for middle and high school. None. When people say it’s safe there, they are talking with no evidence.



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When people say it's not safe there, they are also talking with no evidence.


True enough. I always say there is no evidence that it is safe fir ages 11-18. There is evidence for 10 and under. I resent those who claim it is are fir middle and high. I’d rather they be honest and admit they have no evidence. The people I hear talking about wanting to go back at school board and PTA meetings and such assert that it’s perfectly safe. They are not well informed. What they mean is they want their kids to go back. There’s a difference between what you want and what scientific evidence supports. Though many no longer see that.



This is obviously not entirely true- but the noisiest parents about getting back to school are by and large parents of younger elementary school kids. The noisiest teachers about not ever going back are by and large high school teachers.



With complete reason! High schoolers are biologically adults. They spread it just like adults. They have 8 different classes they switch to, jobs, activities and sports. The risk of exposure at a high school level is LIGHT YEARS away from a 1st grade teacher with a truly cohorted class of 6 year olds. There is no comparison. Elementary can and should go back. 6-12 should not. This isn’t hard.



+1000. Very strange that APS hasn’t really recognized the differences in the potential harm to students and their inability to cohort them. Now they could have cohorted middle if they planned ahead in the fall. But they didn’t.



They have as has every other school district. It’s common knowledge. But rather than tell grades 6-12 parents “unfortunately your kids present much bigger risk to each other and staff of spreading and can’t be cohorted so you just remain distance” they will tie all k-12 together. It’s a lack of leadership. Be willing to say things that aren’t popular and will make people upset if they are the right thing. 6-12 is way riskier. Taking k-5 down with them when their risk is so much lower is stupid but absolutely no district seems to be willing to say younger & more vulnerable learners can go in and older ones cannot and in a panoramic thems the breaks.



Yeah. I just don’t understand why this hasn’t been the plan from the start. Bring back K-5. Keep 6-12 home. That’s what I’d do. Apparently I’m not leadership material for VA public schools.[b]

I'm guessing that you don't have any high school students, who are trying to take APs from home and prep for college apps in this climate. Try telling these kids and parents that their being in-person isn't as important as K-5 being in person.

We aren’t saying it’s less important for them to be in. We are saying it is less safe though. Yes, unfortunate. But truth.

Thank you. I don’t understand why so many people don’t get the difference. It’s IMPORTANT for all of them to be in school. It’s SAFE (as demonstrated by epidemiologists) for K-5 to be there. Plain and simple. Parents can’t seem to separate their needs/wants from safety. It’s weird.

And people like you can't stop pretending they are epidemiologists because they read an article on CNN

+1000 LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. If these people keep pushing, they will open before it’s really safe, and the sensible people who eventually want hybrid will be forced to switch to DL. At least in middle and high where it’s an option.

What is going to happen is they will push and the schools will open when it isn’t safe and there will be weeks of constant upheaval and switching between hybrid and full DL as teachers or kids quarantine or get sick or the metrics change. Kids will learn almost nothing because the constant instability will ruin actual progress we could have been making staying consistent at 4x/week full DL. It is going to be terrible for everyone. And then right after that we will administer SOLs, whoopdedoo

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I've been saying all along - teachers **should** be considered essential workers. They should be a priority to receive the vaccine. If they refuse, then they can either go back to the classroom without it or quit. I can't understand why teachers are not essential. Personally, I think this is one of the biggest underlying issues with this whole situation.



Why prioritize us and give us the vaccine when they can just not do that and still demand we go back in. I don’t think anybody wants to actually treat us like essential workers they just expect us to act like ones anyway.

This exchange is the heart of the matter. Teachers aren't respected as BOTH highly educated professionals whose lives matter AND who are essential to society. Just read any thread here on DCUM.

who says we aren't recognizing and respecting teachers? Simply put, they should be considered essential.

Again. We are not though. People think we are essential but we don’t get treated as essential employees. We are expecting to just behave as they do without the recognition. Sorry, the cynic in me knows how this works. They’ll say “teachers are essential!” And then not prioritize us for the vaccine. Open schools but not make sure we all get a vaccine first. Call us essential yet never show it in action. Just watch. I have no faith in leadership anymore.

Teachers are prioritized for the vaccine in Virginia. What are you talking about?

It doesn't matter, though, if only teachers are prioritized. If our family members aren't then the whole point is moot. We could be exposed to the virus by an asymptomatic carrier kid and then bring the virus home and transfer it to our elderly parents or our vulnerable family members. I'm not willing to do that. When everyone is vaccinated, including kids, then it will be safe. Until then it doesn't matter to me if I'm vaccinated because the people I love aren't. And I won't risk their lives because of a stupid job.

Moving the goalposts, tsk tsk

You can't even hear yourself.

Why do you care? He openly says he will leave if he has to. It’s not your problem if someone chooses to leave their job because the conditions don’t work for them. People are not treated in any other profession as morally bankrupt for leaving their job when it doesn’t work for them.

Then quit. And stop moaning on discussion boards.

[Anonymous]

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I've been saying all along - teachers **should** be considered essential workers. They should be a priority to receive the vaccine. If they refuse, then they can either go back to the classroom without it or quit. I can't understand why teachers are not essential. Personally, I think this is one of the biggest underlying issues with this whole situation.



Why prioritize us and give us the vaccine when they can just not do that and still demand we go back in. I don’t think anybody wants to actually treat us like essential workers they just expect us to act like ones anyway.

This exchange is the heart of the matter. Teachers aren't respected as BOTH highly educated professionals whose lives matter AND who are essential to society. Just read any thread here on DCUM.

who says we aren't recognizing and respecting teachers? Simply put, they should be considered essential.

Again. We are not though. People think we are essential but we don’t get treated as essential employees. We are expecting to just behave as they do without the recognition. Sorry, the cynic in me knows how this works. They’ll say “teachers are essential!” And then not prioritize us for the vaccine. Open schools but not make sure we all get a vaccine first. Call us essential yet never show it in action. Just watch. I have no faith in leadership anymore.

Teachers are prioritized for the vaccine in Virginia. What are you talking about?

It doesn't matter, though, if only teachers are prioritized. If our family members aren't then the whole point is moot. We could be exposed to the virus by an asymptomatic carrier kid and then bring the virus home and transfer it to our elderly parents or our vulnerable family members. I'm not willing to do that. When everyone is vaccinated, including kids, then it will be safe. Until then it doesn't matter to me if I'm vaccinated because the people I love aren't. And I won't risk their lives because of a stupid job.

Moving the goalposts, tsk tsk

You can't even hear yourself.

Why do you care? He openly says he will leave if he has to. It’s not your problem if someone chooses to leave their job because the conditions don’t work for them. People are not treated in any other profession as morally bankrupt for leaving their job when it doesn’t work for them.

Then quit. And stop moaning on discussion boards.

It isn't moving the goalposts, it is called realism. You know, as opposed to, your fantasy land. He lives in the real world with real world problems. Those problems become yours because there aren't enough teachers. I'm not going to begrudge anyone who cares more about their family's safety then teaching my kid. Of course his family comes first. You're the one agitating and shrieking PP. And refusing to be reasonable. I actually feel the same way about sending my kids in. I don't think it is safe because of people like you. I think people like you are going to be the problem. Teachers are right to be worried.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want hybrid, if and when it’s safe. I’m really annoyed that a bunch of people are trying to force a reopening now, at the height of the pandemic. That won’t keep my kids in school. I don’t want to open and shut like other districts, and I have a right to a safe hybrid reopening, too.

OMG this +1000.

Do you know me?

I don’t know if I know you. But that’s truth right there. The fact that APE continues to push reopening NOW like it’s September or October is astounding.
These folks do not care about safety. They just want kids in school. No nuance, no science.

Actually they want other people's kids in school. APE members have their own kids in private school that have all the safety measures that APS does not have.

[Anonymous]

For real? Then why are they spending so much time on this. Is it a political thing? The APE parent who won’t shut up at our PTA meetings has kids in APS.

[Anonymous]

Middle Class Joe said 100 days after his inauguration, folks, and that’s no malarkey, man. So there’s yer in person date.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I've been saying all along - teachers **should** be considered essential workers. They should be a priority to receive the vaccine. If they refuse, then they can either go back to the classroom without it or quit. I can't understand why teachers are not essential. Personally, I think this is one of the biggest underlying issues with this whole situation.



Why prioritize us and give us the vaccine when they can just not do that and still demand we go back in. I don’t think anybody wants to actually treat us like essential workers they just expect us to act like ones anyway.

This exchange is the heart of the matter. Teachers aren't respected as BOTH highly educated professionals whose lives matter AND who are essential to society. Just read any thread here on DCUM.

who says we aren't recognizing and respecting teachers? Simply put, they should be considered essential.

Again. We are not though. People think we are essential but we don’t get treated as essential employees. We are expecting to just behave as they do without the recognition. Sorry, the cynic in me knows how this works. They’ll say “teachers are essential!” And then not prioritize us for the vaccine. Open schools but not make sure we all get a vaccine first. Call us essential yet never show it in action. Just watch. I have no faith in leadership anymore.

Teachers are prioritized for the vaccine in Virginia. What are you talking about?

It doesn't matter, though, if only teachers are prioritized. If our family members aren't then the whole point is moot. We could be exposed to the virus by an asymptomatic carrier kid and then bring the virus home and transfer it to our elderly parents or our vulnerable family members. I'm not willing to do that. When everyone is vaccinated, including kids, then it will be safe. Until then it doesn't matter to me if I'm vaccinated because the people I love aren't. And I won't risk their lives because of a stupid job.

Moving the goalposts, tsk tsk

You can't even hear yourself.

Why do you care? He openly says he will leave if he has to. It’s not your problem if someone chooses to leave their job because the conditions don’t work for them. People are not treated in any other profession as morally bankrupt for leaving their job when it doesn’t work for them.

Then quit. And stop moaning on discussion boards.

It isn't moving the goalposts, it is called realism. You know, as opposed to, your fantasy land. He lives in the real world with real world problems. Those problems become yours because there aren't enough teachers. I'm not going to begrudge anyone who cares more about their family's safety then teaching my kid. Of course his family comes first. You're the one agitating and shrieking PP. And refusing to be reasonable. I actually feel the same way about sending my kids in. I don't think it is safe because of people like you. I think people like you are going to be the problem. Teachers are right to be worried.

Okay.

You must be pretty upset about our current numbers. I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For real? Then why are they spending so much time on this. Is it a political thing? The APE parent who won’t shut up at our PTA meetings has kids in APS.

Of course they want their kids back in APS rather than whatever random catholic school they have them in now.

[Anonymous]

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I've been saying all along - teachers **should** be considered essential workers. They should be a priority to receive the vaccine. If they refuse, then they can either go back to the classroom without it or quit. I can't understand why teachers are not essential. Personally, I think this is one of the biggest underlying issues with this whole situation.



Why prioritize us and give us the vaccine when they can just not do that and still demand we go back in. I don’t think anybody wants to actually treat us like essential workers they just expect us to act like ones anyway.

This exchange is the heart of the matter. Teachers aren't respected as BOTH highly educated professionals whose lives matter AND who are essential to society. Just read any thread here on DCUM.

who says we aren't recognizing and respecting teachers? Simply put, they should be considered essential.

Again. We are not though. People think we are essential but we don’t get treated as essential employees. We are expecting to just behave as they do without the recognition. Sorry, the cynic in me knows how this works. They’ll say “teachers are essential!” And then not prioritize us for the vaccine. Open schools but not make sure we all get a vaccine first. Call us essential yet never show it in action. Just watch. I have no faith in leadership anymore.

Teachers are prioritized for the vaccine in Virginia. What are you talking about?

It doesn't matter, though, if only teachers are prioritized. If our family members aren't then the whole point is moot. We could be exposed to the virus by an asymptomatic carrier kid and then bring the virus home and transfer it to our elderly parents or our vulnerable family members. I'm not willing to do that. When everyone is vaccinated, including kids, then it will be safe. Until then it doesn't matter to me if I'm vaccinated because the people I love aren't. And I won't risk their lives because of a stupid job.

Moving the goalposts, tsk tsk

You can't even hear yourself.

Why do you care? He openly says he will leave if he has to. It’s not your problem if someone chooses to leave their job because the conditions don’t work for them. People are not treated in any other profession as morally bankrupt for leaving their job when it doesn’t work for them.

Then quit. And stop moaning on discussion boards.

It isn't moving the goalposts, it is called realism. You know, as opposed to, your fantasy land. He lives in the real world with real world problems. Those problems become yours because there aren't enough teachers. I'm not going to begrudge anyone who cares more about their family's safety then teaching my kid. Of course his family comes first. You're the one agitating and shrieking PP. And refusing to be reasonable. I actually feel the same way about sending my kids in. I don't think it is safe because of people like you. I think people like you are going to be the problem. Teachers are right to be worried.

Okay.

You must be pretty upset about our current numbers. I guess.

Our current numbers are the highest they’ve ever been. It’s horrible. Everyone should be upset by them.

[Anonymous]

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I've been saying all along - teachers **should** be considered essential workers. They should be a priority to receive the vaccine. If they refuse, then they can either go back to the classroom without it or quit. I can't understand why teachers are not essential. Personally, I think this is one of the biggest underlying issues with this whole situation.



Why prioritize us and give us the vaccine when they can just not do that and still demand we go back in. I don’t think anybody wants to actually treat us like essential workers they just expect us to act like ones anyway.

This exchange is the heart of the matter. Teachers aren't respected as BOTH highly educated professionals whose lives matter AND who are essential to society. Just read any thread here on DCUM.

who says we aren't recognizing and respecting teachers? Simply put, they should be considered essential.

Again. We are not though. People think we are essential but we don’t get treated as essential employees. We are expecting to just behave as they do without the recognition. Sorry, the cynic in me knows how this works. They’ll say “teachers are essential!” And then not prioritize us for the vaccine. Open schools but not make sure we all get a vaccine first. Call us essential yet never show it in action. Just watch. I have no faith in leadership anymore.

Teachers are prioritized for the vaccine in Virginia. What are you talking about?

It doesn't matter, though, if only teachers are prioritized. If our family members aren't then the whole point is moot. We could be exposed to the virus by an asymptomatic carrier kid and then bring the virus home and transfer it to our elderly parents or our vulnerable family members. I'm not willing to do that. When everyone is vaccinated, including kids, then it will be safe. Until then it doesn't matter to me if I'm vaccinated because the people I love aren't. And I won't risk their lives because of a stupid job.

Moving the goalposts, tsk tsk

You can't even hear yourself.

Why do you care? He openly says he will leave if he has to. It’s not your problem if someone chooses to leave their job because the conditions don’t work for them. People are not treated in any other profession as morally bankrupt for leaving their job when it doesn’t work for them.

Then quit. And stop moaning on discussion boards.

It isn't moving the goalposts, it is called realism. You know, as opposed to, your fantasy land. He lives in the real world with real world problems. Those problems become yours because there aren't enough teachers. I'm not going to begrudge anyone who cares more about their family's safety then teaching my kid. Of course his family comes first. You're the one agitating and shrieking PP. And refusing to be reasonable. I actually feel the same way about sending my kids in. I don't think it is safe because of people like you. I think people like you are going to be the problem. Teachers are right to be worried.

Okay.

You must be pretty upset about our current numbers. I guess.

Our current numbers are the highest they’ve ever been. It’s horrible. Everyone should be upset by them.

Look again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For real? Then why are they spending so much time on this. Is it a political thing? The APE parent who won’t shut up at our PTA meetings has kids in APS.

Of course they want their kids back in APS rather than whatever random catholic school they have them in now.

But if your kid is in private, aren’t you then locked in by contract for the year?

[Anonymous]

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Our current numbers are the highest they’ve ever been. It’s horrible. Everyone should be upset by them.

Yes and no. The number of confirmed cases is higher than ever. However, if you look at hospitalizations and deaths as a proxy for disease prevalence we are nowhere close to spring numbers in Northern Virginia.