Who are these loser millennials?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The pandemic has really shown me how many millennials have needed to either move in with mom and dad or have mom and dad move in with them because they cannot cope with a little stress and hardship.

...or they’re just better at money than you?? There’s no reason to pay for a DC apartment during the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Almost 40% of American adults wouldn't be able to cover a $400 emergency with cash, so I don't think gen-x or boomers should be calling anyone losers. It's also been dismal for most since before millennials came of age. Most people in general are in shitty shape, it's not an age thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The pandemic has really shown me how many millennials have needed to either move in with mom and dad or have mom and dad move in with them because they cannot cope with a little stress and hardship.

Whatever.

I’m not a millennial (I’m mid-40s), but I think it makes a lot of sense for families to hunker down together. You save money, and you provide emotional support.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus christ. Millennials are almost 40. Many have multiple kids. They own homes and are managers now at their jobs. I have no idea why idiots still think they're immature college kids.

Actually, Gen Y (millennials) have abysmal marriage, birth and home ownership rates. And their net worth is peanuts vis a vis older generations at the same age. I say that to say the "adolescent" reputation is because overall they're broke, in debt, and not reaching traditional adulthood and investment milestones.

Says more about the shitty state of the country and wealth inequality than gen y.

Ahh. Now we roll out the “wealth inequality” trope. Every generation has had to deal with sh!+. It was usually around 18-24 when the other generations said time to buckle down, graduate, start a family, and suck it up. Millennials seem to have put this off until their thirties and are now finally discovering the world isn’t fair, no one cares how you feel, and you grin and bear it. That’s called life (or adulting for those who prefer that term).

Good lord, stfu. Use actual stats rather than your stupid ass shitty emotion argument of 'back in my day!' like a old crabby asshole.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/feds/files/2018080pap.pdf

The facts about the state of the economy are undeniable.

"Millennials are less well off than members of earlier generations when they were young, with lower earnings, fewer assets, and less wealth." - the federal reserve of the united states

Millennials, despite being younger, also have even more medical debt than Boomers:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/millennials-rack-up-the-most-medical-debt-and-more-frequently


Gotta love it when asshole boomers who had much better opportunities in life than millennials lecture younger generations on being lazy, avocado toasts, and lack of ambition to grow up as the reasons why they have less wealth while every objective macroeconomic statistics paints a much different story. boomers have been in charge of the economy for decades and their shitty policies have hallowed out the middle class. thanks boomers.

Spoken like a true millennial. Loser.

Hey, if makes a lame boomer like you feel better, I'm currently investing in funeral service companies and suppliers. Glad I'll be able to cash in on boomers croaking over the next decade.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gen-x manager, I find millennials draining. As someone upthread pointed out, it’s the need for positive feedback, picking and choosing projects based on whether it makes them feel fulfilled, and the inability to shut up and listen and learn that makes me crazy. Part of that is based on characteristics of my generation. - many of our parents were silent generation and we were a lot of latchkey kids. It was kind of ingrained that no one really cared what we thought and you just be quiet and get things done. I’m actually uncomfortable when people gush about my work, and I don’t need rewards - I figure if someone is unhappy they’ll let me know. My workplace is not there to make me feel validated as a human being. I don’t normally think about providing lots of positive feedback. I am very aware of being respectful of peoples’ time out of work and wanting people to have down time, but when it’s your turn to take the grunt work and spend actual time becoming good in what you do, you need to do it.

That’s interesting, because my older managers regularly praise me (early 30s millennial) for being the hardest working person in our office and willing to take on any grunt task. Frankly, they are too lazy to do it themselves and own that, which is kind of funny and refreshing. I don’t mind it because they have my back and award/promote me regularly. Just goes to show you that it’s pointless to generalize.

I'm an older millennial in management and I love when we hire millennials, especially younger ones. They're self motivated and hard working, they take on all kinds of extra projects, and they're ready to learn. Far and away our best employees.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gen-x manager, I find millennials draining. As someone upthread pointed out, it’s the need for positive feedback, picking and choosing projects based on whether it makes them feel fulfilled, and the inability to shut up and listen and learn that makes me crazy. Part of that is based on characteristics of my generation. - many of our parents were silent generation and we were a lot of latchkey kids. It was kind of ingrained that no one really cared what we thought and you just be quiet and get things done. I’m actually uncomfortable when people gush about my work, and I don’t need rewards - I figure if someone is unhappy they’ll let me know. My workplace is not there to make me feel validated as a human being. I don’t normally think about providing lots of positive feedback. I am very aware of being respectful of peoples’ time out of work and wanting people to have down time, but when it’s your turn to take the grunt work and spend actual time becoming good in what you do, you need to do it.

That’s interesting, because my older managers regularly praise me (early 30s millennial) for being the hardest working person in our office and willing to take on any grunt task. Frankly, they are too lazy to do it themselves and own that, which is kind of funny and refreshing. I don’t mind it because they have my back and award/promote me regularly. Just goes to show you that it’s pointless to generalize.

I'm an older millennial in management and I love when we hire millennials, especially younger ones. They're self motivated and hard working, they take on all kinds of extra projects, and they're ready to learn. Far and away our best employees.

Then I hope they get paid what they’re worth which is a livable salary.
We graduates of the 2008 recession are hustlers who work for peanuts. Problem is, we’ve gotten so used to working for peanuts that the Boomers and Gen Xers and Pre-Recession older millennials get away with continuing to pay us peanuts. Meanwhile y’all sit on soaring property values.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gen-x manager, I find millennials draining. As someone upthread pointed out, it’s the need for positive feedback, picking and choosing projects based on whether it makes them feel fulfilled, and the inability to shut up and listen and learn that makes me crazy. Part of that is based on characteristics of my generation. - many of our parents were silent generation and we were a lot of latchkey kids. It was kind of ingrained that no one really cared what we thought and you just be quiet and get things done. I’m actually uncomfortable when people gush about my work, and I don’t need rewards - I figure if someone is unhappy they’ll let me know. My workplace is not there to make me feel validated as a human being. I don’t normally think about providing lots of positive feedback. I am very aware of being respectful of peoples’ time out of work and wanting people to have down time, but when it’s your turn to take the grunt work and spend actual time becoming good in what you do, you need to do it.

That’s interesting, because my older managers regularly praise me (early 30s millennial) for being the hardest working person in our office and willing to take on any grunt task. Frankly, they are too lazy to do it themselves and own that, which is kind of funny and refreshing. I don’t mind it because they have my back and award/promote me regularly. Just goes to show you that it’s pointless to generalize.

I'm an older millennial in management and I love when we hire millennials, especially younger ones. They're self motivated and hard working, they take on all kinds of extra projects, and they're ready to learn. Far and away our best employees.

Interesting. Im an older millennial and feel the younger millennial are annoying to the core. Very age ist and butt kissers. Work stupidly hard, more materialistic than older millennials. I don't even feel we're the same generation. They all say they wish they had experienced the 90s the era I grew up in.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gen-x manager, I find millennials draining. As someone upthread pointed out, it’s the need for positive feedback, picking and choosing projects based on whether it makes them feel fulfilled, and the inability to shut up and listen and learn that makes me crazy. Part of that is based on characteristics of my generation. - many of our parents were silent generation and we were a lot of latchkey kids. It was kind of ingrained that no one really cared what we thought and you just be quiet and get things done. I’m actually uncomfortable when people gush about my work, and I don’t need rewards - I figure if someone is unhappy they’ll let me know. My workplace is not there to make me feel validated as a human being. I don’t normally think about providing lots of positive feedback. I am very aware of being respectful of peoples’ time out of work and wanting people to have down time, but when it’s your turn to take the grunt work and spend actual time becoming good in what you do, you need to do it.

That’s interesting, because my older managers regularly praise me (early 30s millennial) for being the hardest working person in our office and willing to take on any grunt task. Frankly, they are too lazy to do it themselves and own that, which is kind of funny and refreshing. I don’t mind it because they have my back and award/promote me regularly. Just goes to show you that it’s pointless to generalize.

I'm an older millennial in management and I love when we hire millennials, especially younger ones. They're self motivated and hard working, they take on all kinds of extra projects, and they're ready to learn. Far and away our best employees.

Then I hope they get paid what they’re worth which is a livable salary.
We graduates of the 2008 recession are hustlers who work for peanuts. Problem is, we’ve gotten so used to working for peanuts that the Boomers and Gen Xers and Pre-Recession older millennials get away with continuing to pay us peanuts. Meanwhile y’all sit on soaring property values.

So you assume all older millennials own a house? What do you do for work?

[Anonymous]

As someone who worked full time in college. Yes I worked full time and went to college full time. I have been in the work force a long time. 1980-2020 so far. Started full time at 18.

I have seen it all. My first big bosses were WWII vets which ended 1945. They were amazing, 100 times better than today’s boss, it later moved on the Korean War and Vietnam vets. I even got to work with a women who was 70 in 1986 who started my firm at age of 14. Yes HS was optional when she started and we had 14 year old employees. What stories. She started work in 1930 on Wall Street and worked all through Great Depression and WWII.

Around the early 1990s work ethic started to due. I say day Goldman Sachs went to dress down was day it completely died. From there even big four went to dress down and WFH and Jump start Friday’s and employer of choice. By the 2004 bull market completely dead of work ethic.

Which means pretty much anyone under 50 has never actually seen real work.

To be honest I have been goofing off since 1993. My old department has tripled the amount of workers since 39 years ago with same work. We worked 12 hours a day no lunch and worked Saturday’s. I mean I like it better now. But younger folks never were in a war getting shot at, worked full time during college or did a grunt job in a suit 65 hours a week.

And some boomers were lazy the hippies and Woodstock people and stoners started decay of work the greatest generation started.

I find the generation born after 2000 has great work ethic. And folks born before 1965.

And before you say you worked hard my old boss when I was 22 showed me info written on his arm with a razor blade. He troop 80 percent was killed he was injured under dead bodies the other arm came by with bayonets and randomly stabbed dead bodies and missed him. They stole dog tags so carved into arm so mom would get his body. That was him at 19. I never experienced that.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who worked full time in college. Yes I worked full time and went to college full time. I have been in the work force a long time. 1980-2020 so far. Started full time at 18.

I have seen it all. My first big bosses were WWII vets which ended 1945. They were amazing, 100 times better than today’s boss, it later moved on the Korean War and Vietnam vets. I even got to work with a women who was 70 in 1986 who started my firm at age of 14. Yes HS was optional when she started and we had 14 year old employees. What stories. She started work in 1930 on Wall Street and worked all through Great Depression and WWII.

Around the early 1990s work ethic started to due. I say day Goldman Sachs went to dress down was day it completely died. From there even big four went to dress down and WFH and Jump start Friday’s and employer of choice. By the 2004 bull market completely dead of work ethic.

Which means pretty much anyone under 50 has never actually seen real work.

To be honest I have been goofing off since 1993. My old department has tripled the amount of workers since 39 years ago with same work. We worked 12 hours a day no lunch and worked Saturday’s. I mean I like it better now. But younger folks never were in a war getting shot at, worked full time during college or did a grunt job in a suit 65 hours a week.

And some boomers were lazy the hippies and Woodstock people and stoners started decay of work the greatest generation started.

I find the generation born after 2000 has great work ethic. And folks born before 1965.

And before you say you worked hard my old boss when I was 22 showed me info written on his arm with a razor blade. He troop 80 percent was killed he was injured under dead bodies the other arm came by with bayonets and randomly stabbed dead bodies and missed him. They stole dog tags so carved into arm so mom would get his body. That was him at 19. I never experienced that.

Your post is exceptionally incoherent. Are you really equating more casual dress with a lack of work ethic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a gen-x manager, I find millennials draining. As someone upthread pointed out, it’s the need for positive feedback, picking and choosing projects based on whether it makes them feel fulfilled, and the inability to shut up and listen and learn that makes me crazy. Part of that is based on characteristics of my generation. - many of our parents were silent generation and we were a lot of latchkey kids. It was kind of ingrained that no one really cared what we thought and you just be quiet and get things done. I’m actually uncomfortable when people gush about my work, and I don’t need rewards - I figure if someone is unhappy they’ll let me know. My workplace is not there to make me feel validated as a human being. I don’t normally think about providing lots of positive feedback. I am very aware of being respectful of peoples’ time out of work and wanting people to have down time, but when it’s your turn to take the grunt work and spend actual time becoming good in what you do, you need to do it.

Why is it so terrible to have a different perspective on these things than you do? Moving through life believing that your thoughts and opinions aren't worth anyone caring about sounds quite sad. Something like one third of your life is spent working, and that a huge percentage of the one life you get to spend not feeling valued or fulfilled. And seriously what's wrong with positive feedback? A good manager should provide both. Your employees need to know what they are doing well just as much as what they are doing wrong.

A lot of the complaints I see about managing and working with millennials seems rooted in the idea that work should suck and millennials are difficult because they won't just accept that.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gen-x manager, I find millennials draining. As someone upthread pointed out, it’s the need for positive feedback, picking and choosing projects based on whether it makes them feel fulfilled, and the inability to shut up and listen and learn that makes me crazy. Part of that is based on characteristics of my generation. - many of our parents were silent generation and we were a lot of latchkey kids. It was kind of ingrained that no one really cared what we thought and you just be quiet and get things done. I’m actually uncomfortable when people gush about my work, and I don’t need rewards - I figure if someone is unhappy they’ll let me know. My workplace is not there to make me feel validated as a human being. I don’t normally think about providing lots of positive feedback. I am very aware of being respectful of peoples’ time out of work and wanting people to have down time, but when it’s your turn to take the grunt work and spend actual time becoming good in what you do, you need to do it.

Why is it so terrible to have a different perspective on these things than you do? Moving through life believing that your thoughts and opinions aren't worth anyone caring about sounds quite sad. Something like one third of your life is spent working, and that a huge percentage of the one life you get to spend not feeling valued or fulfilled. And seriously what's wrong with positive feedback? A good manager should provide both. Your employees need to know what they are doing well just as much as what they are doing wrong.

A lot of the complaints I see about managing and working with millennials seems rooted in the idea that work should suck and millennials are difficult because they won't just accept that.

Yep! Sad, bitter people like that PP interpret “I’m not a cog and you aren’t going to treat me like shit” as “I’m not going to work hard.” Totally untrue. We just aren’t going to accept being kicked around like we’re worthless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am an older millennials ( early 30s) and everyone I know and younger does not meet the accepted negative narrative of millennials. They are:

- well educated and ambitious about their jobs. Whether they’re in engineering, finance or public policy, they are go getters and hustlers. They take their careers seriously and are eager to climb the ladder.
- health obsessed. Peloton every day, work out and eat healthy is a lifestyle.Green juices and self care is a mantra.
- productive hobbies like hiking, learning languages, traveling and cooking.
- pet ownership and home ownership for those who can afford it.
- spotless and clean homes that look like pottery barn catlog
- serious relationships or in the quest for one.

I don’t relate to these lazy entitled millennial stereotypes at all!

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You lost me at "green juices and self care is a mantra"

Pre-ten-tious.

I liked the part about productive hobbies. These are truly great people!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a gen-x manager, I find millennials draining. As someone upthread pointed out, it’s the need for positive feedback, picking and choosing projects based on whether it makes them feel fulfilled, and the inability to shut up and listen and learn that makes me crazy. Part of that is based on characteristics of my generation. - many of our parents were silent generation and we were a lot of latchkey kids. It was kind of ingrained that no one really cared what we thought and you just be quiet and get things done. I’m actually uncomfortable when people gush about my work, and I don’t need rewards - I figure if someone is unhappy they’ll let me know. My workplace is not there to make me feel validated as a human being. I don’t normally think about providing lots of positive feedback. I am very aware of being respectful of peoples’ time out of work and wanting people to have down time, but when it’s your turn to take the grunt work and spend actual time becoming good in what you do, you need to do it.

Why is it so terrible to have a different perspective on these things than you do? Moving through life believing that your thoughts and opinions aren't worth anyone caring about sounds quite sad. Something like one third of your life is spent working, and that a huge percentage of the one life you get to spend not feeling valued or fulfilled. And seriously what's wrong with positive feedback? A good manager should provide both. Your employees need to know what they are doing well just as much as what they are doing wrong.

A lot of the complaints I see about managing and working with millennials seems rooted in the idea that work should suck and millennials are difficult because they won't just accept that.

Gen-Xer who couldn’t care less about positive feedback. It’s infantilizing. I know what I’m good at and I know when I’m doing good work. I don’t look to my job to feel valued or fulfilled, I just go there to get paid so I can enjoy real fulfillment in my free time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a gen-x manager, I find millennials draining. As someone upthread pointed out, it’s the need for positive feedback, picking and choosing projects based on whether it makes them feel fulfilled, and the inability to shut up and listen and learn that makes me crazy. Part of that is based on characteristics of my generation. - many of our parents were silent generation and we were a lot of latchkey kids. It was kind of ingrained that no one really cared what we thought and you just be quiet and get things done. I’m actually uncomfortable when people gush about my work, and I don’t need rewards - I figure if someone is unhappy they’ll let me know. My workplace is not there to make me feel validated as a human being. I don’t normally think about providing lots of positive feedback. I am very aware of being respectful of peoples’ time out of work and wanting people to have down time, but when it’s your turn to take the grunt work and spend actual time becoming good in what you do, you need to do it.

Why is it so terrible to have a different perspective on these things than you do? Moving through life believing that your thoughts and opinions aren't worth anyone caring about sounds quite sad. Something like one third of your life is spent working, and that a huge percentage of the one life you get to spend not feeling valued or fulfilled. And seriously what's wrong with positive feedback? A good manager should provide both. Your employees need to know what they are doing well just as much as what they are doing wrong.

A lot of the complaints I see about managing and working with millennials seems rooted in the idea that work should suck and millennials are difficult because they won't just accept that.

Gen-Xer who couldn’t care less about positive feedback. It’s infantilizing. I know what I’m good at and I know when I’m doing good work. I don’t look to my job to feel valued or fulfilled, I just go there to get paid so I can enjoy real fulfillment in my free time.

Sure, that's your choice and your opinion, but is it a character failing to have a different approach? Personally, I don't want to waste any significant amount of time on anything that doesn't contribute to my happiness when there are plenty of options out there that will.

And I don't believe positive feedback is just about ego stroking. Positive feedback can be instructive about future career moves, what I should focus more of my energy on, and let's me know what I'm doing that my company actually values. There are plenty of people who think they're amazing at things they actually aren't, or that don't actually matter. It's important to have the full picture. From a management perspective, positive feedback is often a great motivator, costs literally nothing, and employees who feel appreciated and fulfilled are actually better employees.