Amy Coney Barrett- what in the actual F?

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

It isn’t that you don’t know the child is yours; it is that you are explicitly told that legally that child is not your child until a court blesses it and you need to understand that until finalizing the child can be taken from your family for any reason at all and there isn’t anything you can do about it.

Again, life is not easy and neat. Everybody on both sides of the political aisle agrees that an unexpected pregnancy can be and often is paradigm shattering event for a woman. I don’t understand the critique that she had a human reaction in that particular moment and she was honest and candid about it. Would you rather she hide the truth or pretend it didn’t happen? And of course, the situation was compounded by the fact that she was already in the middle of a stressful event (taking custody of a child she was trying to adopt). I don’t doubt that some people would have a perfect emotional response in such a moment, but having been through the process myself and knowing others in the community that have been through the process, I would venture that many (perhaps most) would have reacted as she did.

Aer. S

The court does not "bless" you. The court finalizes the adoption.

Yes, I would rather that she had the presence of mind to understand that second guessing her near-final adoption bc she was having another child is not a talking point. She may as well have said that she found out she was having twins and deliberated for three hours whether to abort one.

Okay. Well, if you listen to the interview the story is a lot more complicated than portrayed here. Listening to her in her own words, prior to the Haiti earthquake she and her husband had been led to believe the adoption wasn’t happening. Post-earthquake they were told some state department red-tape would be lifted but it wasn’t entirely clear they would be able to adopt. During this time the child was in Florida but there was still some confusion as to whether they would be able to clear the process. Then they got the go ahead that they would clear diplomatic red tape and they had to decide whether they were going to adopt or not (the reference of going to Florida to kick him up) while simultaneously finding out they had an unexpected pregnancy.

she shouldn't have shared the story. You know who's life was more complicated??? Her kids. Adoptive parents like her looooooove to center themselves. It's disgusting.

Last I checked, it was considered a good thing to be open about adoptions and adoption stories. Honestly, I have like 10 adopted kids in my circle and I know the details of them all. It is much better than when all this was swept under the rug. There is nothing to be ashamed of in adopting or being adopted.

As for the comments, the older child was thought not ever able to walk due to severe malnutrition, so of course her parents are proud she has overcome that and is strong and healthy. And the younger had severe PTSD from the orphanage and earthquake he lived through, so of course they are proud he is outgoing and happy-go-lucky. It is a huge achievement and shows how much he has been loved by his adoptive family. Her other kids haven’t been through any ordeals so their descriptions are more run of the mill.

OMG!!! SHE IS SUCH A SAVIOR!!!!!

Of course there is nothing to be ashamed of in being adopted or adopting. But the adoption stories are the children's stories to tell not the parents'! And that is unanimous in the adoption circle. It's the kids' stories. I am sure you do not know all the details about 10 families' adoption stories. If you do, I hope it's the children who told you. In any case, ACB should not be sharing her kids' adoption stories with the world, particularly the fact that they almost reconsidered adopting.

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Anonymous wrote:The aunt raises the kids on a day-to-day basis.

It reminds me so much of the Mrs America series about Phyllis Schlaffly. There are so many parallels in their personal narratives. But, unlike Schlaffly, ACB has “made it.”

I wondered how the hell you could serve on the Supreme Court and raise seven children. I think this for people of BOTH genders who have demanding careers. Nothing wrong with paying someone to carry out part of that work, but it does not EXACTLY jibe with the image the Republicans are trying to paint.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't know much about adoption, that much his obvious.

some agencies would have RECOMMENDED that they put off adoption.

Having a newborn and helping a (likely traumatized) toddler adopt to a new home/language/country/food, etc etc is...ALOT. I am not a fan of this judicial candidate...but it was responsible to consider whether she could adequately parent two new family arrivals simultaneously.

*adapt (not "adopt")

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

THIS! The child was IN FLORIDA.

I'm an adoptee who is also an adoptive parent. Although I knew objectively that my child was 'not mine' until the adoption was final, he felt like mine from the moment he was born. In no universe would I have contemplated reneging on the adoption. And the families I know who had adoptions fall through were HEARTBROKEN. IF my son's birthmother had changed her mind, I would have been devastated.

It is distasteful that she had these second thoughts and felt comfortable publicly describing them. How many women pregnant with twins consider placing one for adoption or aborting because they only wanted one child?? Few if any, and people would be horrified. If nothing else this just shows an attitude about adoption that treats the bond as less important than a biological tie, and that offends me.

Selective reduction during pregnancy It happens. https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/magazine/the-two-minus-one-pregnancy.html

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To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.


THIS! The child was IN FLORIDA.


I'm an adoptee who is also an adoptive parent. Although I knew objectively that my child was 'not mine' until the adoption was final, he felt like mine from the moment he was born. In no universe would I have contemplated reneging on the adoption. And the families I know who had adoptions fall through were HEARTBROKEN. IF my son's birthmother had changed her mind, I would have been devastated.

It is distasteful that she had these second thoughts and felt comfortable publicly describing them. How many women pregnant with twins consider placing one for adoption or aborting because they only wanted one child?? Few if any, and people would be horrified. If nothing else this just shows an attitude about adoption that treats the bond as less important than a biological tie, and that offends me.

Adoptive parent here and I am offended as well. We adopted internationally and as soon as we saw our son's picture, he was ours. That little picture went everywhere with us and ate meals with us and he was just in our hearts from that moment and we could not wait to pick him up (and we had a waiting period as well). Nothing could have changed our decision to adopt him. ACB's discussion of her second thoughts is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

It isn’t that you don’t know the child is yours; it is that you are explicitly told that legally that child is not your child until a court blesses it and you need to understand that until finalizing the child can be taken from your family for any reason at all and there isn’t anything you can do about it.

Again, life is not easy and neat. Everybody on both sides of the political aisle agrees that an unexpected pregnancy can be and often is paradigm shattering event for a woman. I don’t understand the critique that she had a human reaction in that particular moment and she was honest and candid about it. Would you rather she hide the truth or pretend it didn’t happen? And of course, the situation was compounded by the fact that she was already in the middle of a stressful event (taking custody of a child she was trying to adopt). I don’t doubt that some people would have a perfect emotional response in such a moment, but having been through the process myself and knowing others in the community that have been through the process, I would venture that many (perhaps most) would have reacted as she did.

Aer. S

The court does not "bless" you. The court finalizes the adoption.

Yes, I would rather that she had the presence of mind to understand that second guessing her near-final adoption bc she was having another child is not a talking point. She may as well have said that she found out she was having twins and deliberated for three hours whether to abort one.

Okay. Well, if you listen to the interview the story is a lot more complicated than portrayed here. Listening to her in her own words, prior to the Haiti earthquake she and her husband had been led to believe the adoption wasn’t happening. Post-earthquake they were told some state department red-tape would be lifted but it wasn’t entirely clear they would be able to adopt. During this time the child was in Florida but there was still some confusion as to whether they would be able to clear the process. Then they got the go ahead that they would clear diplomatic red tape and they had to decide whether they were going to adopt or not (the reference of going to Florida to kick him up) while simultaneously finding out they had an unexpected pregnancy.

she shouldn't have shared the story. You know who's life was more complicated??? Her kids. Adoptive parents like her looooooove to center themselves. It's disgusting.

Last I checked, it was considered a good thing to be open about adoptions and adoption stories. Honestly, I have like 10 adopted kids in my circle and I know the details of them all. It is much better than when all this was swept under the rug. There is nothing to be ashamed of in adopting or being adopted.

As for the comments, the older child was thought not ever able to walk due to severe malnutrition, so of course her parents are proud she has overcome that and is strong and healthy. And the younger had severe PTSD from the orphanage and earthquake he lived through, so of course they are proud he is outgoing and happy-go-lucky. It is a huge achievement and shows how much he has been loved by his adoptive family. Her other kids haven’t been through any ordeals so their descriptions are more run of the mill.

It is the child’s story to share. This is particularly true for a minor child who might not fully grasp the implications of having their story shared widely and publicly in a way that reflects someone else’s viewpoint rather than their own needs.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

It isn’t that you don’t know the child is yours; it is that you are explicitly told that legally that child is not your child until a court blesses it and you need to understand that until finalizing the child can be taken from your family for any reason at all and there isn’t anything you can do about it.

Again, life is not easy and neat. Everybody on both sides of the political aisle agrees that an unexpected pregnancy can be and often is paradigm shattering event for a woman. I don’t understand the critique that she had a human reaction in that particular moment and she was honest and candid about it. Would you rather she hide the truth or pretend it didn’t happen? And of course, the situation was compounded by the fact that she was already in the middle of a stressful event (taking custody of a child she was trying to adopt). I don’t doubt that some people would have a perfect emotional response in such a moment, but having been through the process myself and knowing others in the community that have been through the process, I would venture that many (perhaps most) would have reacted as she did.

Aer. S

The court does not "bless" you. The court finalizes the adoption.

Yes, I would rather that she had the presence of mind to understand that second guessing her near-final adoption bc she was having another child is not a talking point. She may as well have said that she found out she was having twins and deliberated for three hours whether to abort one.

Okay. Well, if you listen to the interview the story is a lot more complicated than portrayed here. Listening to her in her own words, prior to the Haiti earthquake she and her husband had been led to believe the adoption wasn’t happening. Post-earthquake they were told some state department red-tape would be lifted but it wasn’t entirely clear they would be able to adopt. During this time the child was in Florida but there was still some confusion as to whether they would be able to clear the process. Then they got the go ahead that they would clear diplomatic red tape and they had to decide whether they were going to adopt or not (the reference of going to Florida to kick him up) while simultaneously finding out they had an unexpected pregnancy.

she shouldn't have shared the story. You know who's life was more complicated??? Her kids. Adoptive parents like her looooooove to center themselves. It's disgusting.

Last I checked, it was considered a good thing to be open about adoptions and adoption stories. Honestly, I have like 10 adopted kids in my circle and I know the details of them all. It is much better than when all this was swept under the rug. There is nothing to be ashamed of in adopting or being adopted.

As for the comments, the older child was thought not ever able to walk due to severe malnutrition, so of course her parents are proud she has overcome that and is strong and healthy. And the younger had severe PTSD from the orphanage and earthquake he lived through, so of course they are proud he is outgoing and happy-go-lucky. It is a huge achievement and shows how much he has been loved by his adoptive family. Her other kids haven’t been through any ordeals so their descriptions are more run of the mill.

OMG!!! SHE IS SUCH A SAVIOR!!!!!

NP. Apparently, you would prefer her children be languishing in a Haitian orphanage. Or more likely, dead. Please tell us: what the F is your problem?

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I honestly can’t believe this thread hasn’t been deleted. What happened to children being off-limits??

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly can’t believe this thread hasn’t been deleted. What happened to children being off-limits??

This thread isn't about children. It's about Barrett and how she uses her children, especially her adopted children, as both a shield and a weapon.

Unrelated, can we please stop with the cool acronym name? There is only ONE RBG.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly can’t believe this thread hasn’t been deleted. What happened to children being off-limits??

What are you talking about? We have only discussed ACB's actions and words, what she has revealed about the children. No one is going after the children.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

It isn’t that you don’t know the child is yours; it is that you are explicitly told that legally that child is not your child until a court blesses it and you need to understand that until finalizing the child can be taken from your family for any reason at all and there isn’t anything you can do about it.

Again, life is not easy and neat. Everybody on both sides of the political aisle agrees that an unexpected pregnancy can be and often is paradigm shattering event for a woman. I don’t understand the critique that she had a human reaction in that particular moment and she was honest and candid about it. Would you rather she hide the truth or pretend it didn’t happen? And of course, the situation was compounded by the fact that she was already in the middle of a stressful event (taking custody of a child she was trying to adopt). I don’t doubt that some people would have a perfect emotional response in such a moment, but having been through the process myself and knowing others in the community that have been through the process, I would venture that many (perhaps most) would have reacted as she did.

Aer. S

The court does not "bless" you. The court finalizes the adoption.

Yes, I would rather that she had the presence of mind to understand that second guessing her near-final adoption bc she was having another child is not a talking point. She may as well have said that she found out she was having twins and deliberated for three hours whether to abort one.

Okay. Well, if you listen to the interview the story is a lot more complicated than portrayed here. Listening to her in her own words, prior to the Haiti earthquake she and her husband had been led to believe the adoption wasn’t happening. Post-earthquake they were told some state department red-tape would be lifted but it wasn’t entirely clear they would be able to adopt. During this time the child was in Florida but there was still some confusion as to whether they would be able to clear the process. Then they got the go ahead that they would clear diplomatic red tape and they had to decide whether they were going to adopt or not (the reference of going to Florida to kick him up) while simultaneously finding out they had an unexpected pregnancy.

she shouldn't have shared the story. You know who's life was more complicated??? Her kids. Adoptive parents like her looooooove to center themselves. It's disgusting.

Last I checked, it was considered a good thing to be open about adoptions and adoption stories. Honestly, I have like 10 adopted kids in my circle and I know the details of them all. It is much better than when all this was swept under the rug. There is nothing to be ashamed of in adopting or being adopted.

As for the comments, the older child was thought not ever able to walk due to severe malnutrition, so of course her parents are proud she has overcome that and is strong and healthy. And the younger had severe PTSD from the orphanage and earthquake he lived through, so of course they are proud he is outgoing and happy-go-lucky. It is a huge achievement and shows how much he has been loved by his adoptive family. Her other kids haven’t been through any ordeals so their descriptions are more run of the mill.

OMG!!! SHE IS SUCH A SAVIOR!!!!!

NP. Apparently, you would prefer her children be languishing in a Haitian orphanage. Or more likely, dead. Please tell us: what the F is your problem?

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For me, I think it comes down to that I just do not trust her. Too many red flags -- her family size and setup, her Christian extremism, these comments about her adopted children, her choice to be (all of them?) unmasked at that Rose Garden party.

She is unlike anyone I would have for a friend. If I was giving up my baby for adoption, I would never choose her or anyone like her. I would never vote for her, if she were a politician. I do not trust her. She does not represent the people I know, yet she will be justice for life.

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Anonymous wrote:Earlier today, a friend of mine posted something about ACB and how we should pay attention to the way that she introduces her children, basically crowing about the academic achievements of the white children and basically saying that the biggest achievement of the black adoptive children is that they came from Haiti. I’m not sure I’m fully on board with that criticism, but as I was looking for the clip, I came across this article, which talks about how when she was adopting her second child, she found out she was pregnant.

It goes on to say “ Just as her husband was making final arrangements to pick John Peter up at the airport in Florida and complete the adoption, Amy learned that she was pregnant with Juliet. For about three hours, they weren't sure what decision to make. They had wanted five, but now it was looking like five and six were coming together. While taking a walk, Amy realized that her most significant impact on the world was raising her children. They decided to welcome John Peter into their family. A few days later, the three-year-old arrived at their home.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.moms.com/amy-coney-barretts-children/amp/

Mind you, this is immediately after the Haiti earthquake. OK so I have never adopted a child, but I literally cannot imagine the thought process of somebody who goes to Haiti to adopt a three year old child and then finds out that she is pregnant so then has second thoughts about going through with the adoption, literally having just rescued the orphan child from an earthquake destroyed foreign country. What kind of a person does this, and then freely admits to it as a point of pride in an interview? I’m disgusted. Which child wants to grow up reading this? If I were adopted I think I’d probably want to hear from my mom that she never doubted for a second that she wanted me. Not that she had a three hour window of debating whether or not I was worthy of her love.

Enough said. “I have never adopted a child.” This is likely the most hypocritical post ever. Have you ever been to Haiti or helped anyone other than yourself? Probably not. Then you throw race into it when she’s adopted two kids from Haiti. She’s a better human being than you’ll ever hope to be. Now, will she make a good justice? Who the heck knows, but you’re a complete and utter clown.

I have never adopted a child but I certainly have a child, and I know that I would never, ever fly to Haiti, form a parental relationship with a three year old over the course of several months, tell them that I was going to be their mommy, make all the preparations to pack up the child, remove them from their current surroundings and country, fly to another country with them, and then once there - reconsider if I wanted them at all bc I was pregnant. I would never do that. How very Christian of her. No PP, she is not a better human being than me. She's just more white and more "religious".

You people are not reading correctly. Her husband was not already in Florida with John Peter, he was likely in Indiana making arrangements to buy plane tickets. John Peter was still in Haiti. Nowhere do we see evidence that the Barrett family had even met John Peter before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Earlier today, a friend of mine posted something about ACB and how we should pay attention to the way that she introduces her children, basically crowing about the academic achievements of the white children and basically saying that the biggest achievement of the black adoptive children is that they came from Haiti. I’m not sure I’m fully on board with that criticism, but as I was looking for the clip, I came across this article, which talks about how when she was adopting her second child, she found out she was pregnant.

It goes on to say “ Just as her husband was making final arrangements to pick John Peter up at the airport in Florida and complete the adoption, Amy learned that she was pregnant with Juliet. For about three hours, they weren't sure what decision to make. They had wanted five, but now it was looking like five and six were coming together. While taking a walk, Amy realized that her most significant impact on the world was raising her children. They decided to welcome John Peter into their family. A few days later, the three-year-old arrived at their home.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.moms.com/amy-coney-barretts-children/amp/

Mind you, this is immediately after the Haiti earthquake. OK so I have never adopted a child, but I literally cannot imagine the thought process of somebody who goes to Haiti to adopt a three year old child and then finds out that she is pregnant so then has second thoughts about going through with the adoption, literally having just rescued the orphan child from an earthquake destroyed foreign country. What kind of a person does this, and then freely admits to it as a point of pride in an interview? I’m disgusted. Which child wants to grow up reading this? If I were adopted I think I’d probably want to hear from my mom that she never doubted for a second that she wanted me. Not that she had a three hour window of debating whether or not I was worthy of her love.

What depresses me is when she said the George Floyd thing was personal because of her black children. I’d like it to be personal because her brown fellow Americans are dying at the hands of criminal law enforcement. Any brown colleagues or church friends? We know she doesn’t have any. So if she didn’t have black children black Americans dying feels impersonal? Great. Perfect for the position.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

It isn’t that you don’t know the child is yours; it is that you are explicitly told that legally that child is not your child until a court blesses it and you need to understand that until finalizing the child can be taken from your family for any reason at all and there isn’t anything you can do about it.

Again, life is not easy and neat. Everybody on both sides of the political aisle agrees that an unexpected pregnancy can be and often is paradigm shattering event for a woman. I don’t understand the critique that she had a human reaction in that particular moment and she was honest and candid about it. Would you rather she hide the truth or pretend it didn’t happen? And of course, the situation was compounded by the fact that she was already in the middle of a stressful event (taking custody of a child she was trying to adopt). I don’t doubt that some people would have a perfect emotional response in such a moment, but having been through the process myself and knowing others in the community that have been through the process, I would venture that many (perhaps most) would have reacted as she did.

Aer. S

The court does not "bless" you. The court finalizes the adoption.

Yes, I would rather that she had the presence of mind to understand that second guessing her near-final adoption bc she was having another child is not a talking point. She may as well have said that she found out she was having twins and deliberated for three hours whether to abort one.

Okay. Well, if you listen to the interview the story is a lot more complicated than portrayed here. Listening to her in her own words, prior to the Haiti earthquake she and her husband had been led to believe the adoption wasn’t happening. Post-earthquake they were told some state department red-tape would be lifted but it wasn’t entirely clear they would be able to adopt. During this time the child was in Florida but there was still some confusion as to whether they would be able to clear the process. Then they got the go ahead that they would clear diplomatic red tape and they had to decide whether they were going to adopt or not (the reference of going to Florida to kick him up) while simultaneously finding out they had an unexpected pregnancy.

she shouldn't have shared the story. You know who's life was more complicated??? Her kids. Adoptive parents like her looooooove to center themselves. It's disgusting.

Last I checked, it was considered a good thing to be open about adoptions and adoption stories. Honestly, I have like 10 adopted kids in my circle and I know the details of them all. It is much better than when all this was swept under the rug. There is nothing to be ashamed of in adopting or being adopted.

As for the comments, the older child was thought not ever able to walk due to severe malnutrition, so of course her parents are proud she has overcome that and is strong and healthy. And the younger had severe PTSD from the orphanage and earthquake he lived through, so of course they are proud he is outgoing and happy-go-lucky. It is a huge achievement and shows how much he has been loved by his adoptive family. Her other kids haven’t been through any ordeals so their descriptions are more run of the mill.

Open adoption good. Open so you can be nosy about “like 10”, not good. No thank you.