Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No outrage amongst the Asians that cheating is wrong?

Who cheated?

And which Asians? There are millions of Asians. We don't all have the same opinion. I'm Asian and I believe cheating is wrong and cheaters should be punished, but you don't want to hear that. You want to hear from the Asian who will play within your narrative so you can prove your righteousness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

I am not sure. The amount of money Caucasians spend for SAT prep is mind boggling. They spend about $400 /hr in SAT prep. Caucasians started losing interest in TJ because Asians dominate in acacdemics at TJ and end up in IVY leagues from TJ than Caucasians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

I am not sure. The amount of money Caucasians spend for SAT prep is mind boggling. They spend about $400 /hr in SAT prep. Caucasians started losing interest in TJ because Asians dominate in acacdemics at TJ and end up in IVY leagues from TJ than Caucasians.

Yes, I agree. Just visit the SAT prep centers at McLean where they charge $400/hr., you would be seeing lots of Caucasian kids and parents there taking those prep classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

I'd love to see the sports teams selected by lottery. The results would be equally ludicrous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I keep hearing that some cheating scandal from outside the Beltway was the primary agitator in VDOE and FCPS crackdown on the change at TJ. Is this true? Can someone help with recounting what this scandal was that will ultimately lead to the demise of this school?

1) It wasn't the primary agitator, but it certainly helped make the case for the previous process being incredibly flawed

2) It won't lead to the demise of the school, it'll just lead to a slightly different group of students being granted admission

FCPS won't throw just anyone with a 3.5 into the lottery. They will want the class of 2025 to succeed and will select for the lottery in accordance - and there will be plenty of extremely qualified Black and Hispanic students who apply as a consequence. No need to worry.

That makes no sense if they are moving to a "lottery" system. If you are saying there will be thresholds attached to the "making the lottery," then again, you may be creating a situation where blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately affected. So, you've just moved the target but haven't solved the real problem. Also, how do you get enough blacks and Hispanics to get to the 3.5 GPA? Isn't that also part of the problem? I honestly see so many ways to game this "lottery" system (e.g., move into one of the Regions where you have the greatest chances of getting in) that it's strange that FCPS or VDOE doesn't see it happening. They're aligning prepping for the TJ test (most akin to getting some SAT prepbooks and doing that prepping) as 'unfair' but they somehow think that the same parents won't be able to find a workaround. I could easily get a 6-month lease and move into one of the other Regions of FCPS with my 3.5+ GPA kid (during the last two months of 8th grade) and roll the lottery. Then if I don't get it, I go back to where I'm from. And, if I get in, I still move back to where I'm from. Parents with money won't think twice about spending the saved $$ on a scheme like this. It's just whacky! There's no way to seriously control someone from gaming the system, and if that is what is being done anyway, then maybe address the issue in a different manner. Wouldn't it be easier to start a program for blacks and Hispanics who could be targeted for adminissions into TJ throughout the ES into MS years. Breed the success, rather than foster an attempt for the gamers to find another way to game the system?

Ask anyone at these underrepresented middle schools and they will tell you that there are plenty of TJ-capable Black and Hispanic students who are WELL-above a 3.5 GPA. To assume that these students don't exist is virulently racist.

"But then why are they not applying to TJ?" Just like white and Asian families communicate about their ways to get around admissions processes and create advantages for their kids, parents in these communities talk about how negative the experience is for their kids who do attend - how poorly they are treated by the students, how they are assumed to be products of an affirmative action process that doesn't exist with respect to TJ - that they decide not to apply.

"So what if they don't apply?" They will if they think they have a shot, and that there will be others like them once they get there.

Absolutely agree with you that assuming that those kids don't have 3.5+ GPAs is racist.

However, the other points are still valid. If you saw the projected numbers on the FCPS presentation, the number of Asians + whites will still be over 75%. Not that different from what it is today. What makes you think more of those kids will apply? I'm sure the numbers will go up. However, remember that this is a lottery/ What if the highest scoring Hispanic kid doesn't win the lottery? Why not just set aside a minimum threshold for kids with certain backgrounds based on race, economic status, etc. instead of dumbing down the whole process?

I believe the goal is to get an applicant pool and eventually a student body that more closely resembles the demographics of the county itself - which is majority white and Asian, but closer to ~9% Black and 11% Hispanic/Latino/a/x.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

I'd love to see the sports teams selected by lottery. The results would be equally ludicrous.

Yep, let's bring equality for every single program! Lottery for everything!

[Anonymous]

What people fail to understand is that the Asian kid will knock the socks of the class in their base school, a whole heck of a lot easier than having to seriously amp up their academic game at TJ. If anything, this crazy scheme just ensured more Asian success because now many of those academically-focused Asian kids will be at their base schools and completely dwarfing any chance for success for the rest of the non-Asians. Where once you had the possibility for an AA or Hispanic or White valedictorian, or your child is in the top .5% of the graduating class, that'll now be all Asian irrespective of what high school you attend. The irony of this move will be baffling for most in a few years time.

What most are missing is that you can't keep an Asian kid down when it comes to academic success. It's being bred at home. And, if the AA or Hispanic or White races can't start that breeding at home, where it matters the most, you'll never fair better than an Asian child. It's as simple as that. Like the Russian poster noted, some have figured it out and have implemented the training early.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

I'd love to see the sports teams selected by lottery. The results would be equally ludicrous.

There is no inherent community value to diversity in sports teams. People who use this analogy are non-serious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

I'd love to see the sports teams selected by lottery. The results would be equally ludicrous.

ok? it's a public school, what's wrong with an equal chance to participate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

I'd love to see the sports teams selected by lottery. The results would be equally ludicrous.

No one is advocating for greater diversity in orchestras or debate teams or spelling bees. Stop advocating for diversity in sports, or at least appreciate that the TJ sports teams are dominated by Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

I'd love to see the sports teams selected by lottery. The results would be equally ludicrous.

No one is advocating for greater diversity in orchestras or debate teams or spelling bees. Stop advocating for diversity in sports, or at least appreciate that the TJ sports teams are dominated by Asians.

No what I want is the sports team's racial composition to reflect the racial diversity of that particular school. Why isn't that important? The black/hispanic/ white students can learn a thing or 2 about empathy for their weaker teammates. And im totally fine with the same diversity in orchestras, debate teams, or spelling bees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

I'd love to see the sports teams selected by lottery. The results would be equally ludicrous.

ok? it's a public school, what's wrong with an equal chance to participate

The team is chosen based on value to the team. Everything can try out. Your position is to choose the team by who can do the most pushups

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

I'd love to see the sports teams selected by lottery. The results would be equally ludicrous.

No one is advocating for greater diversity in orchestras or debate teams or spelling bees. Stop advocating for diversity in sports, or at least appreciate that the TJ sports teams are dominated by Asians.

It's almost as if people have certain aptitudes and gravitate to those activities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What people fail to understand is that the Asian kid will knock the socks of the class in their base school, a whole heck of a lot easier than having to seriously amp up their academic game at TJ. If anything, this crazy scheme just ensured more Asian success because now many of those academically-focused Asian kids will be at their base schools and completely dwarfing any chance for success for the rest of the non-Asians. Where once you had the possibility for an AA or Hispanic or White valedictorian, or your child is in the top .5% of the graduating class, that'll now be all Asian irrespective of what high school you attend. The irony of this move will be baffling for most in a few years time.

What most are missing is that you can't keep an Asian kid down when it comes to academic success. It's being bred at home. And, if the AA or Hispanic or White races can't start that breeding at home, where it matters the most, you'll never fair better than an Asian child. It's as simple as that. Like the Russian poster noted, some have figured it out and have implemented the training early.

Why here? Why now?

If Asians will do well anywhere, what does it matter?

The US and especially FCPS is simply not 90% Asian.