Nice White Parents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So nice white parents are supposed to voluntarily dumb down their own kids so that non whites can catch up and we all join up in the resulting muddle in the middle?

Sorry to have to break the news to you but the competition for the poors in America is not the children of the nice white parents in America.

If only life was that easy!

The rest of the world is rightfully practicing elite education and going all in on promoting their best and the brightest - not their worst and their dumbest.

Why do you think the USA is at the bottom of global educational comparisons?

Wrong minded altruism.

Nice white parents need to stop being so nice and start looking out for their own.

If you can't raise your own kids on your own then forget about having kids and forget about expecting others to raise them properly for you - just to make you feel equal.

for all of recorded history, has that ever not been the case?

Well the point is that nice white parents are politely continuing to act in the best interest (real or perceived) of their own children.

What parents dont act in the best interests of their children? Asian? AA? Indian?

What is special about "nice white parents"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure this is going over the heads of every race living in North Arlington. Easy to just blame whites but plenty of AA and Asians chose NA for the good schools and are wringing hands over AAP in parts of Fairfax.

You have a very expansive view of the word "plenty."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure this is going over the heads of every race living in North Arlington. Easy to just blame whites but plenty of AA and Asians chose NA for the good schools and are wringing hands over AAP in parts of Fairfax.

DC is a liberal haven- get rid of in zone and open every spot at Wilson and Deal to lottery and see how long that lasts.

[Anonymous]

littlehouse wrote:I'm the parent who had kids there.

Just a couple things -- this "French dual language program" was an after school program at this time. It still largely is now. I think she kind of glosses over that, so people can incorrectly overlay their own experience about language or G&T etc. It is not a separate track. It was open to all - it later became a core subject so every had to take it .. a part of the school day as a class, but again, just one class. This is a 6-12 grade school. It's not like a k-5 school where kids are with one group all day. Subjects are departmentalized and kids have electives and every period kids move to a new class, with a different set of kids. In the name of equity, they later made the French class mixed level (which is what white people do when they want to be "fair" and a lousy way to teach French), but at the time, Rob proposed basically this: "How about an after school French program and we make the French pay for it". And he delivered. (the Arabic program down the street used to be funded by the Qatar foundation .. I wonder if it still is)

2. The reason the principal, Jilian, wanted a language was because her main goal was introducing an IB program, and she needed language for that.

3. The PTA then and now are is tiny handful of people who organize a couple small fundraisers. A typical meeting would have been 4 or 5 people. The PTA is not synonymous with "the parent body" or "the school culture". The entire PTA budget at that time was maybe 5-10k. It's maybe 50k now (that's with an enrollment of almost 900 kids). The PTA has no budgeting authority. The principal usually says, "how about chrome books this year" and the PTA puts whatever money the carnival raises towards chromebooks. Like the French fundraiser in 2015, when the library was renovated, there was a one-time fundraiser for that .. run not by the PTA but a couple parents who really cared about the library -- sure, probably parents who had kids who loved to read -- and the librarian. All that money went only to the library, not mixed up with PTA money. I can't wait to hear the podcast on that (non) drama.

4. In NYC, there is something called the SLT. The School Leadership Team. Unlike the PTA, the SLT has power. This is a parent-teacher-admin group that has a lot of say over school direction, curriculum, budget. Parents are elected to this. The SLT has to write a pretty mayor report (that's posted online) and the DOE reviews the goals annually and how well the school does vs goals. IB and language would have been under the SLT umbrella. The PTA president is usually defacto a non-voting part of the SLT, although at this school, they often didn't show up to meetings -- it is another monthly meeting and sometimes too much for volunteers -- but this is where a lot of information gets shared, and if you're not at the meeting ...

Lastly, I think a lot of the narrative is about doing things for "their own kids". But most parents realize the first and second classes are not the ones who benefit. I think maybe 4 years in, those kids do. So I hand it to people who are working for a better FUTURE school. I feel like this school kind of ate it's own later during the diversity plan drama. They didn't wan to step on toes and insist heritage speakers get a seat (who again are largely Caribbean ). The current largely white admin team will come off well on this podcast, I bet, but because they were afraid to make a mistake and have even the appearance of pushing back against the so-called Diversity Plan, they left a lot of brown and black kids behind and the school got whiter.

Which isn't to say this very first class wasn't white French kids. They mostly were. But the next year and year after that, the kids from Flatbush heard about it and their parents enrolled them.

As my friend said, "replace "French" with "math olympiad" or "track and field" and does this all come across as very different?" I think most of America sees French as rich, white. This podcast plays that to the max. For the majority of Francophones in Brooklyn, it's pretty frustrating .

Thank you so much for offering your experience and insight regarding the events described in the podcast. I almost wish you would do a blog with your thoughts to provide context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So nice white parents are supposed to voluntarily dumb down their own kids so that non whites can catch up and we all join up in the resulting muddle in the middle?

Sorry to have to break the news to you but the competition for the poors in America is not the children of the nice white parents in America.

If only life was that easy!

The rest of the world is rightfully practicing elite education and going all in on promoting their best and the brightest - not their worst and their dumbest.

Why do you think the USA is at the bottom of global educational comparisons?

Wrong minded altruism.

Nice white parents need to stop being so nice and start looking out for their own.

If you can't raise your own kids on your own then forget about having kids and forget about expecting others to raise them properly for you - just to make you feel equal.

for all of recorded history, has that ever not been the case?

Well the point is that nice white parents are politely continuing to act in the best interest (real or perceived) of their own children.

What parents dont act in the best interests of their children? Asian? AA? Indian?

What is special about "nice white parents"?

Their hypocrisy?

[Anonymous]

If the owners of this country wanted an educated population, it already would be done by now. I see virtue signalling whites for what they are...."here look at this shiny thing while I do what is natural, look after my kids". I can't blame them for that, looking after their own kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the owners of this country wanted an educated population, it already would be done by now. I see virtue signalling whites for what they are...."here look at this shiny thing while I do what is natural, look after my kids". I can't blame them for that, looking after their own kids.

What a strange way to view compulsory education. As not-education.

[Anonymous]

I listened to this again after reading this thread, and my thoughts this time around were that the existing PTA seemed kind of nieve and clueless. Why would the funding for the immersion program be part of the general PTA budget? Why would the guy fundraising tens of thousands of dollars need to defer to the volunteer PTA president? He doesn’t recognize her as having any power, and he’s right. She doesn’t. If she was a white UMC SAHM complaining that people weren’t taking her seriously as PTA president, we would think very differently about her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

littlehouse wrote:I'm the parent who had kids there.

Just a couple things -- this "French dual language program" was an after school program at this time. It still largely is now. I think she kind of glosses over that, so people can incorrectly overlay their own experience about language or G&T etc. It is not a separate track. It was open to all - it later became a core subject so every had to take it .. a part of the school day as a class, but again, just one class. This is a 6-12 grade school. It's not like a k-5 school where kids are with one group all day. Subjects are departmentalized and kids have electives and every period kids move to a new class, with a different set of kids. In the name of equity, they later made the French class mixed level (which is what white people do when they want to be "fair" and a lousy way to teach French), but at the time, Rob proposed basically this: "How about an after school French program and we make the French pay for it". And he delivered. (the Arabic program down the street used to be funded by the Qatar foundation .. I wonder if it still is)

2. The reason the principal, Jilian, wanted a language was because her main goal was introducing an IB program, and she needed language for that.

3. The PTA then and now are is tiny handful of people who organize a couple small fundraisers. A typical meeting would have been 4 or 5 people. The PTA is not synonymous with "the parent body" or "the school culture". The entire PTA budget at that time was maybe 5-10k. It's maybe 50k now (that's with an enrollment of almost 900 kids). The PTA has no budgeting authority. The principal usually says, "how about chrome books this year" and the PTA puts whatever money the carnival raises towards chromebooks. Like the French fundraiser in 2015, when the library was renovated, there was a one-time fundraiser for that .. run not by the PTA but a couple parents who really cared about the library -- sure, probably parents who had kids who loved to read -- and the librarian. All that money went only to the library, not mixed up with PTA money. I can't wait to hear the podcast on that (non) drama.

4. In NYC, there is something called the SLT. The School Leadership Team. Unlike the PTA, the SLT has power. This is a parent-teacher-admin group that has a lot of say over school direction, curriculum, budget. Parents are elected to this. The SLT has to write a pretty mayor report (that's posted online) and the DOE reviews the goals annually and how well the school does vs goals. IB and language would have been under the SLT umbrella. The PTA president is usually defacto a non-voting part of the SLT, although at this school, they often didn't show up to meetings -- it is another monthly meeting and sometimes too much for volunteers -- but this is where a lot of information gets shared, and if you're not at the meeting ...

Lastly, I think a lot of the narrative is about doing things for "their own kids". But most parents realize the first and second classes are not the ones who benefit. I think maybe 4 years in, those kids do. So I hand it to people who are working for a better FUTURE school. I feel like this school kind of ate it's own later during the diversity plan drama. They didn't wan to step on toes and insist heritage speakers get a seat (who again are largely Caribbean ). The current largely white admin team will come off well on this podcast, I bet, but because they were afraid to make a mistake and have even the appearance of pushing back against the so-called Diversity Plan, they left a lot of brown and black kids behind and the school got whiter.

Which isn't to say this very first class wasn't white French kids. They mostly were. But the next year and year after that, the kids from Flatbush heard about it and their parents enrolled them.

As my friend said, "replace "French" with "math olympiad" or "track and field" and does this all come across as very different?" I think most of America sees French as rich, white. This podcast plays that to the max. For the majority of Francophones in Brooklyn, it's pretty frustrating .

Thank you so much for offering your experience and insight regarding the events described in the podcast. I almost wish you would do a blog with your thoughts to provide context.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone written Nice Asian Parents yet? Or Competitive Indian Parents? Or Demanding Russian Parents? Or are they exempt from the consequences of their parenting, which is exactly the same as UMC white people?

The difference is that they’re faaaaar less hypocritical about it. They don’t go on and on about how black lives matter or post those “no matter where you’re from you’re welcome here” signs in front of their house or make their “liberal” political views a personality trait only to turn around and shelter their kids from poor minorities like white people in say, Bethesda or N Arlington do.

No, their parenting is not "exactly the same as UMC white people". Only an ignorant, living in a bubble white person would say that to perpetuate the usual white tactic of divide and conquer.

UMC white parents are hypocritical and acting 'woke'. Immigrant families make it clear that education is their most important goal for their kids. They are not hiding behind any other hidden agendas. They didn't immigrate here and face their own challenges, racism and discrimination to act woke. They came here to build a better life and they are well aware that the number one way to do that is to get the best education possible.

[Anonymous]

Ha. Thanks.

I don't think I have a blog in me, but I do feel better getting my feelings out here. It's frustrating because it seems like this podcast host is "nice white parenting" or white-splaining my experience to me, a person of color. Grrr.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So nice white parents are supposed to voluntarily dumb down their own kids so that non whites can catch up and we all join up in the resulting muddle in the middle?

Sorry to have to break the news to you but the competition for the poors in America is not the children of the nice white parents in America.

If only life was that easy!

The rest of the world is rightfully practicing elite education and going all in on promoting their best and the brightest - not their worst and their dumbest.

Why do you think the USA is at the bottom of global educational comparisons?

Wrong minded altruism.

Nice white parents need to stop being so nice and start looking out for their own.

If you can't raise your own kids on your own then forget about having kids and forget about expecting others to raise them properly for you - just to make you feel equal.

for all of recorded history, has that ever not been the case?

Well the point is that nice white parents are politely continuing to act in the best interest (real or perceived) of their own children.

People weren’t nice about it in the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So nice white parents are supposed to voluntarily dumb down their own kids so that non whites can catch up and we all join up in the resulting muddle in the middle?

Sorry to have to break the news to you but the competition for the poors in America is not the children of the nice white parents in America.

If only life was that easy!

The rest of the world is rightfully practicing elite education and going all in on promoting their best and the brightest - not their worst and their dumbest.

Why do you think the USA is at the bottom of global educational comparisons?

Wrong minded altruism.

Nice white parents need to stop being so nice and start looking out for their own.

If you can't raise your own kids on your own then forget about having kids and forget about expecting others to raise them properly for you - just to make you feel equal.

for all of recorded history, has that ever not been the case?

Well the point is that nice white parents are politely continuing to act in the best interest (real or perceived) of their own children.

People weren’t nice about it in the past.

What about all the pro segregation parents who wrote the letters? We have to stop thinking about people in the past as less woke. They had the same factions. We haven’t made as much progress as you apparently think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is it wrong for parents to prioritize their own children?

My question is, why do these schools have such low test scores? It's established fact that cities often spend more (often much more) per student than suburbs do. Why does that extra money do nothing to raise test scores?!

It’s not wrong for you to put your kids first.

Money will never fix test scores when education is not prioritized at home. The schools can’t fix that.

So we should demonize the parents who do care enough to work with their kids at home?

Makes no sense.

oh my god the rich people idea that lower income families don't prioritize education or don't care to work with their kids if they could is SO maddening. Have the past 5 months of the pandemic taught you nothing about how stratified our country is by income? Every parent wants the best for their kid. For some that means they have to prioritize keeping their apartments and getting them fed at the cost of working 2-3 jobs, so no, they aren't there to "work with their kids". Or, they do, but it all looks different from your hours of paid enrichment because they don't have the resources. Assuming that low income families, and in DC that means primarily black and brown families, don't prioritize or care enough is elitist at best and racist likely at its core.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is it wrong for parents to prioritize their own children?

My question is, why do these schools have such low test scores? It's established fact that cities often spend more (often much more) per student than suburbs do. Why does that extra money do nothing to raise test scores?!

It’s not wrong for you to put your kids first.

Money will never fix test scores when education is not prioritized at home. The schools can’t fix that.

So we should demonize the parents who do care enough to work with their kids at home?

Makes no sense.

oh my god the rich people idea that lower income families don't prioritize education or don't care to work with their kids if they could is SO maddening. Have the past 5 months of the pandemic taught you nothing about how stratified our country is by income? Every parent wants the best for their kid. For some that means they have to prioritize keeping their apartments and getting them fed at the cost of working 2-3 jobs, so no, they aren't there to "work with their kids". Or, they do, but it all looks different from your hours of paid enrichment because they don't have the resources. Assuming that low income families, and in DC that means primarily black and brown families, don't prioritize or care enough is elitist at best and racist likely at its core.

sorry no this is not true. There are some lower income families that care about their kids/education but there are many that frankly don't care. It's obvious from what they prioritize with their limited income and either the indifferent and/or violent way they treat their children. Spend any time in lower income communities and you would realize this.