Nice White Parents

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Anonymous wrote:It will be very interesting to see what Nikole Hannah Jones chooses as her daughter gets older.

I think it’s often glossed over that she didn’t send her kid to her zoned k-5 school in bed stuy but choose to drive everyday to a school in dumbo with 1mm grant, dual language mandarin, and was recently re-zoned when she arrived with local wealthy neighborhood. She was shocked when the white millionaires in dumbo didn’t send their kids. That was her expectation.

NP. The.school she sent her daughter to was our first choice for our older son. We could not get in. Then her articles came out and I was very surprised how she was characterizing the school, as if she was making a sacrifice sending her kid there. That school is amazing!

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Anonymous wrote:I listened to the first episode alone this morning and plan to listen to it again with my spouse tonight. The nice white parents aren't new to me; I went to high school, college and law school with them. Now, we're parents and our kids are in school together. Stressful AF.

Seriously question, why do you choose to live with them?

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Did anyone read the NYTimes article this weekend about school zoning in Minneapolis?

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone read the NYTimes article this weekend about school zoning in Minneapolis?

I just read it and feel bad for the kids being bussed in. The article starts off with "Parents peppered her with questions. Exactly how many A.P. courses did her school offer? Was Spanish the only language option? " They later state that Spanish is the only option and never address the AP question. Sacrifice your kid's education in the name of equity seems to be the pitch.

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https://www.greatschools.org/minnesota/minneapolis/5788-North-Academy-Arts-Communication/

For anyone interested. If you don't send your kid there, apparently you are racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone read the NYTimes article this weekend about school zoning in Minneapolis?

I just read it and feel bad for the kids being bussed in. The article starts off with "Parents peppered her with questions. Exactly how many A.P. courses did her school offer? Was Spanish the only language option? " They later state that Spanish is the only option and never address the AP question. Sacrifice your kid's education in the name of equity seems to be the pitch.

I read it and appreciated the honest approach to desegregation reflected in this quote.

“Everyone wants equity as long as it doesn’t inconvenience them,” said Eric Moore, senior officer for accountability, research and equity for Minneapolis Public Schools, where about a third of students — some 10,000 children of different races — were assigned to new schools this year.

The changes included redrawing school zones, including for North. “This plan is saying, everyone is going to be equally inconvenienced because we need to collectively address the underachievement of our students of color,” Mr. Moore added.

It is refreshing to see someone speaking honestly rather than gaslighting parents about whether it will have any impact on their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone read the NYTimes article this weekend about school zoning in Minneapolis?

I just read it and feel bad for the kids being bussed in. The article starts off with "Parents peppered her with questions. Exactly how many A.P. courses did her school offer? Was Spanish the only language option? " They later state that Spanish is the only option and never address the AP question. Sacrifice your kid's education in the name of equity seems to be the pitch.

I read it and appreciated the honest approach to desegregation reflected in this quote.

“Everyone wants equity as long as it doesn’t inconvenience them,” said Eric Moore, senior officer for accountability, research and equity for Minneapolis Public Schools, where about a third of students — some 10,000 children of different races — were assigned to new schools this year.

The changes included redrawing school zones, including for North. “This plan is saying, everyone is going to be equally inconvenienced because we need to collectively address the underachievement of our students of color,” Mr. Moore added.

It is refreshing to see someone speaking honestly rather than gaslighting parents about whether it will have any impact on their kids.

It sounds like that approach went exactly how you would expect

Signs of Change: A Few New Students, and Lacrosse

By the start of the school year, Minneapolis had moved closer to its ambitions: It decreased the number of racially isolated schools — defined by the district as 86 percent or more students of color — to 13 from 21.

But North High was not among them. Of 440 students, 30 are white.

Still, 13 of the white students — nearly half — are in the freshman class, the cohort affected by the new boundary. Overall, the school serves 93 percent students of color, down from 98 percent.

of course then the principal clearly does not care about her white students, what does the district expect:

And Ms. Friestleben remains focused on what has been her goal all along: building a school that centers and uplifts children of color.

If white families want to be a part of that environment, they are welcome, she said. But if they cannot see all that she sees in her school — teenagers laughing and fist bumping, advanced classes filled with students of color — she is undeterred.

“We are not going to let anyone else be our validators or invalidators,” she said.

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This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.

And you fail to mention that not every family accepted the seat they were assigned in the D15 lottery. You also fail to mention that over the past two years D15 middle school enrollment has declined. You also fail to mention that many parents were not as enthusiastic about the changes as you were, especially those who value screened academic programs. If you want a project-based progressive education for your child, then NYC is the place for you, but for the rest of us it's time to move unless Eric Adams puts a stop to this far-left nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be very interesting to see what Nikole Hannah Jones chooses as her daughter gets older.

I think it’s often glossed over that she didn’t send her kid to her zoned k-5 school in bed stuy but choose to drive everyday to a school in dumbo with 1mm grant, dual language mandarin, and was recently re-zoned when she arrived with local wealthy neighborhood. She was shocked when the white millionaires in dumbo didn’t send their kids. That was her expectation.

NP. The.school she sent her daughter to was our first choice for our older son. We could not get in. Then her articles came out and I was very surprised how she was characterizing the school, as if she was making a sacrifice sending her kid there. That school is amazing!

Was it PS 11? Blue ribbon PS 11?

Because yes, that school is amazing. I will never forget our kid's time there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be very interesting to see what Nikole Hannah Jones chooses as her daughter gets older.

I think it’s often glossed over that she didn’t send her kid to her zoned k-5 school in bed stuy but choose to drive everyday to a school in dumbo with 1mm grant, dual language mandarin, and was recently re-zoned when she arrived with local wealthy neighborhood. She was shocked when the white millionaires in dumbo didn’t send their kids. That was her expectation.

NP. The.school she sent her daughter to was our first choice for our older son. We could not get in. Then her articles came out and I was very surprised how she was characterizing the school, as if she was making a sacrifice sending her kid there. That school is amazing!

She's all about self-promotion and seems to make up her narrative as she goes along. I wish she would move to DC already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be very interesting to see what Nikole Hannah Jones chooses as her daughter gets older.

I think it’s often glossed over that she didn’t send her kid to her zoned k-5 school in bed stuy but choose to drive everyday to a school in dumbo with 1mm grant, dual language mandarin, and was recently re-zoned when she arrived with local wealthy neighborhood. She was shocked when the white millionaires in dumbo didn’t send their kids. That was her expectation.

NP. The.school she sent her daughter to was our first choice for our older son. We could not get in. Then her articles came out and I was very surprised how she was characterizing the school, as if she was making a sacrifice sending her kid there. That school is amazing!

She's all about self-promotion and seems to make up her narrative as she goes along. I wish she would move to DC already.

And to follow up she's painted herself into a corner when it comes to high school. She won't be able to send her daughter to a SHS or a private school. She'll probably get someone to at the DOE to pull some strings for her to get her daughter into a good nonspecialized high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.

And you fail to mention that not every family accepted the seat they were assigned in the D15 lottery. You also fail to mention that over the past two years D15 middle school enrollment has declined. You also fail to mention that many parents were not as enthusiastic about the changes as you were, especially those who value screened academic programs. If you want a project-based progressive education for your child, then NYC is the place for you, but for the rest of us it's time to move unless Eric Adams puts a stop to this far-left nonsense.

I'm the PP. I thought I had addressed your first two points. The true results were that it moved the needle a bit racially, meaning that some white families accepted seats in schools with lower white enrollment, so that was a little bit of an improvement. I also don't know if I would characterize myself as "enthusiastic" about the changes but on the whole positive. I was not looking forward to the auditions, portfolio presentations and interviews as I previously mentioned, and I don't know any other families who were happy about that in the past. From what I gathered from parents who were in the Middle School selection process over the last couple of years, they were fearful of being sent to an underperforming school or one that did not work for their kid's interests or commute. Most of the parents I spoke with the first year of the lottery were meh about Tue results - some went to charters and some went to private, but most were pleased (they got one of their top three picks). Last year most of the families were pleased - maybe because they knew better what to expect and they had a game plan. It's our turn this year, and I'm feeling reassured about our D15 options both public and charter. I dont know if i could say definitively that families have left the NYC school system entirely because of the lottery system; it might be that but more likely the effects of the pandemic (leaving the city for work, bigger homes, to be with family; leaving for private and charters that gk remote less often or have fewer school shut downs, etc.). Your reply to me came off a little hot, I hope that is my misreading of it. But I don't see why Adams would reverse the D15 Middle School lottery process.I would not consider myself or my husband far left. We really appreciate the DOE's G&T program and think it should be revised and improved rather than scrapped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.

And you fail to mention that not every family accepted the seat they were assigned in the D15 lottery. You also fail to mention that over the past two years D15 middle school enrollment has declined. You also fail to mention that many parents were not as enthusiastic about the changes as you were, especially those who value screened academic programs. If you want a project-based progressive education for your child, then NYC is the place for you, but for the rest of us it's time to move unless Eric Adams puts a stop to this far-left nonsense.

I'm the PP. I thought I had addressed your first two points. The true results were that it moved the needle a bit racially, meaning that some white families accepted seats in schools with lower white enrollment, so that was a little bit of an improvement. I also don't know if I would characterize myself as "enthusiastic" about the changes but on the whole positive. I was not looking forward to the auditions, portfolio presentations and interviews as I previously mentioned, and I don't know any other families who were happy about that in the past. From what I gathered from parents who were in the Middle School selection process over the last couple of years, they were fearful of being sent to an underperforming school or one that did not work for their kid's interests or commute. Most of the parents I spoke with the first year of the lottery were meh about Tue results - some went to charters and some went to private, but most were pleased (they got one of their top three picks). Last year most of the families were pleased - maybe because they knew better what to expect and they had a game plan. It's our turn this year, and I'm feeling reassured about our D15 options both public and charter. I dont know if i could say definitively that families have left the NYC school system entirely because of the lottery system; it might be that but more likely the effects of the pandemic (leaving the city for work, bigger homes, to be with family; leaving for private and charters that gk remote less often or have fewer school shut downs, etc.). Your reply to me came off a little hot, I hope that is my misreading of it. But I don't see why Adams would reverse the D15 Middle School lottery process.I would not consider myself or my husband far left. We really appreciate the DOE's G&T program and think it should be revised and improved rather than scrapped.

No, you didn't misread my comments. Those of us who live in Manhattan are not as enthusiastic about these changes as the D15 crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.

And you fail to mention that not every family accepted the seat they were assigned in the D15 lottery. You also fail to mention that over the past two years D15 middle school enrollment has declined. You also fail to mention that many parents were not as enthusiastic about the changes as you were, especially those who value screened academic programs. If you want a project-based progressive education for your child, then NYC is the place for you, but for the rest of us it's time to move unless Eric Adams puts a stop to this far-left nonsense.

I'm the PP. I thought I had addressed your first two points. The true results were that it moved the needle a bit racially, meaning that some white families accepted seats in schools with lower white enrollment, so that was a little bit of an improvement. I also don't know if I would characterize myself as "enthusiastic" about the changes but on the whole positive. I was not looking forward to the auditions, portfolio presentations and interviews as I previously mentioned, and I don't know any other families who were happy about that in the past. From what I gathered from parents who were in the Middle School selection process over the last couple of years, they were fearful of being sent to an underperforming school or one that did not work for their kid's interests or commute. Most of the parents I spoke with the first year of the lottery were meh about Tue results - some went to charters and some went to private, but most were pleased (they got one of their top three picks). Last year most of the families were pleased - maybe because they knew better what to expect and they had a game plan. It's our turn this year, and I'm feeling reassured about our D15 options both public and charter. I dont know if i could say definitively that families have left the NYC school system entirely because of the lottery system; it might be that but more likely the effects of the pandemic (leaving the city for work, bigger homes, to be with family; leaving for private and charters that gk remote less often or have fewer school shut downs, etc.). Your reply to me came off a little hot, I hope that is my misreading of it. But I don't see why Adams would reverse the D15 Middle School lottery process.I would not consider myself or my husband far left. We really appreciate the DOE's G&T program and think it should be revised and improved rather than scrapped.

No, you didn't misread my comments. Those of us who live in Manhattan are not as enthusiastic about these changes as the D15 crowd.

Tying this conversation back to MoCo Maryland for a second, the whole D15 thing is why many of us saw MCPS's decision to hire WXY to conduct the boundary analysis as one of the first steps of a busing plan. Busing is what WXY does.