Elissa Silverman and BLM Anti-Semitism Controversy

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Anonymous wrote:Louis Farrakhan will speak on July 4th at a 2020 edition of the Million Man March.

Look for who attends that. If I see BLM leaders there, I cannot believe that they do not support anti-Semitism.

They need to 100%, unequivocally, disavow him.

Name a BLM leader.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

First of all BLM is a decentralized movement. The actual BLM organization/founders have no control over what local chapters do. So in effect, it does not have leadership. Just a large number of local leaders. None of this matters though, b/c honestly many of you guys will be outraged regardless of what they do or say.

Thankfully, There are more than enough Jewish brothers and sisters who understand the nuance behind why blacks, who in many cases do not support or like LF, would attend a conference/march he speaks at and largely agree with what he says relative to black empowerment. At this point, activists are pretty much done being on the defensive re: fake outrage re:LF, antisemitism and “reverse racism”. The time for policing black anger is long over, even though I know many will try.

Absolutely, the time for policing AA anger is absolutely over. However, by the same intersectional token, you should not center yourself in the Jewish anger re: antisemitism, including in the BLM movement (and indeed in the BLM charter). Or attempt to police anger in the women's movement against misogyny within, e.g., the BLM movement. Calling it "fake outrage" is for sure your choice, but there are more hate crimes in this country against Jews than any other group (just like the state, through the police, is murdering more African-American men than any other group). I completely understand why AA are looking for a broader coalition within the AA community - and in effect saying, the Black Lives Matter movement was not created for or by white people (or Hispanic people, or Asian people, or LGBTQ people, etc), and we are not going to concern ourselves with racism or antisemitism, or feminism, or any other isms because our objective is to get the state to stop murdering AA people. BLM does not care if alienates non-AA people - they don't want their time, or their money, or their corporate sponsorship, etc. It is not a movement that seeks consensus or really cares too much what non-African American people think or feel.

If people are offended - and it's not fake offended, it's actually offended - they will hopefully find other ways to support getting the state to stop killing people -or BLM will flame-out like Occupy Wall Street b/c they are too "decentralized" and didn't try to build a broader consensus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Louis Farrakhan will speak on July 4th at a 2020 edition of the Million Man March.

Look for who attends that. If I see BLM leaders there, I cannot believe that they do not support anti-Semitism.

They need to 100%, unequivocally, disavow him.

Name a BLM leader.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

First of all BLM is a decentralized movement. The actual BLM organization/founders have no control over what local chapters do. So in effect, it does not have leadership. Just a large number of local leaders. None of this matters though, b/c honestly many of you guys will be outraged regardless of what they do or say.

Thankfully, There are more than enough Jewish brothers and sisters who understand the nuance behind why blacks, who in many cases do not support or like LF, would attend a conference/march he speaks at and largely agree with what he says relative to black empowerment. At this point, activists are pretty much done being on the defensive re: fake outrage re:LF, antisemitism and “reverse racism”. The time for policing black anger is long over, even though I know many will try.

I just want to see any BLM chapter disavow Farrakhan. That’s really all I’m asking for.

Sure it is. I’m sure you will find some that do. Blacks are not monolith. Either way, it doesn’t matter much if they do.

Tim Wise summarizes the issue re: LF and blacks nicely for white audiences.

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https://link.medium.com/lCpsQ7bZj7

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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Yes, but it’s long morphed into something broader than that.

Do you agree with the PP’s point that Baldwin should have taken into account attacks on visible Jews?

LOL, It morphed because I tolerated your hijacking. I do not agree that Baldwin should have taken attacks on visible Jews into account. He was describing his perception of the Jewish community. Who am I to dispute what he perceives?

More importantly, I don't think you have really read the article, or at least not very carefully. If you had, you would realize that the article is not an attack on Jews. Rather, it is a defense of them. He outlines several factors that contribute to anti-Semitism in the Black community and then explains why that factor should not be negatively attributed to Jews. Just look how he concludes the article:

The crisis taking place in the world, and in the minds and hearts of black men everywhere, is not produced by the star of David, but by the old, rugged Roman cross on which Christendom's most celebrated Jew was murdered. And not by Jews.

Yes, he tries to redeem himself a bit at the end. That doesn’t change the deep, deep ignorance inherent in what he says is the AA’s viewpoint on Jews (aka that we are essentially white Christians). It also doesn’t change his deeply ignorant claims about how America perceived the Warsaw Ghetto uprising.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Louis Farrakhan will speak on July 4th at a 2020 edition of the Million Man March.

Look for who attends that. If I see BLM leaders there, I cannot believe that they do not support anti-Semitism.

They need to 100%, unequivocally, disavow him.

Name a BLM leader.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

First of all BLM is a decentralized movement. The actual BLM organization/founders have no control over what local chapters do. So in effect, it does not have leadership. Just a large number of local leaders. None of this matters though, b/c honestly many of you guys will be outraged regardless of what they do or say.

Thankfully, There are more than enough Jewish brothers and sisters who understand the nuance behind why blacks, who in many cases do not support or like LF, would attend a conference/march he speaks at and largely agree with what he says relative to black empowerment. At this point, activists are pretty much done being on the defensive re: fake outrage re:LF, antisemitism and “reverse racism”. The time for policing black anger is long over, even though I know many will try.

I just want to see any BLM chapter disavow Farrakhan. That’s really all I’m asking for.

Sure it is. I’m sure you will find some that do. Blacks are not monolith. Either way, it doesn’t matter much if they do.

Tim Wise summarizes the issue re: LF and blacks nicely for white audiences.

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https://link.medium.com/lCpsQ7bZj7

Umm ... Farrakhan has talked about Jews as Termites and has praised Hitler. He’s 100% anti-Semitic. If you want to say he’s not a neo-Nazi fine, but he despises Jews.

Hell, the Southern Poverty Law Center considers the Nation of Islam an organized hate group.

[Anonymous]

SPLC’s write-up on the Nation of Islam: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Louis Farrakhan will speak on July 4th at a 2020 edition of the Million Man March.

Look for who attends that. If I see BLM leaders there, I cannot believe that they do not support anti-Semitism.

They need to 100%, unequivocally, disavow him.

Name a BLM leader.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

First of all BLM is a decentralized movement. The actual BLM organization/founders have no control over what local chapters do. So in effect, it does not have leadership. Just a large number of local leaders. None of this matters though, b/c honestly many of you guys will be outraged regardless of what they do or say.

Thankfully, There are more than enough Jewish brothers and sisters who understand the nuance behind why blacks, who in many cases do not support or like LF, would attend a conference/march he speaks at and largely agree with what he says relative to black empowerment. At this point, activists are pretty much done being on the defensive re: fake outrage re:LF, antisemitism and “reverse racism”. The time for policing black anger is long over, even though I know many will try.

I just want to see any BLM chapter disavow Farrakhan. That’s really all I’m asking for.

Sure it is. I’m sure you will find some that do. Blacks are not monolith. Either way, it doesn’t matter much if they do.

Tim Wise summarizes the issue re: LF and blacks nicely for white audiences.

“
https://link.medium.com/lCpsQ7bZj7

Umm ... Farrakhan has talked about Jews as Termites and has praised Hitler. He’s 100% anti-Semitic. If you want to say he’s not a neo-Nazi fine, but he despises Jews.

Hell, the Southern Poverty Law Center considers the Nation of Islam an organized hate group.

You didn’t read the article. He doesn’t defend LF or deny that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Louis Farrakhan will speak on July 4th at a 2020 edition of the Million Man March.

Look for who attends that. If I see BLM leaders there, I cannot believe that they do not support anti-Semitism.

They need to 100%, unequivocally, disavow him.

Name a BLM leader.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

First of all BLM is a decentralized movement. The actual BLM organization/founders have no control over what local chapters do. So in effect, it does not have leadership. Just a large number of local leaders. None of this matters though, b/c honestly many of you guys will be outraged regardless of what they do or say.

Thankfully, There are more than enough Jewish brothers and sisters who understand the nuance behind why blacks, who in many cases do not support or like LF, would attend a conference/march he speaks at and largely agree with what he says relative to black empowerment. At this point, activists are pretty much done being on the defensive re: fake outrage re:LF, antisemitism and “reverse racism”. The time for policing black anger is long over, even though I know many will try.

I just want to see any BLM chapter disavow Farrakhan. That’s really all I’m asking for.

Sure it is. I’m sure you will find some that do. Blacks are not monolith. Either way, it doesn’t matter much if they do.

Tim Wise summarizes the issue re: LF and blacks nicely for white audiences.

“
https://link.medium.com/lCpsQ7bZj7

Umm ... Farrakhan has talked about Jews as Termites and has praised Hitler. He’s 100% anti-Semitic. If you want to say he’s not a neo-Nazi fine, but he despises Jews.

Hell, the Southern Poverty Law Center considers the Nation of Islam an organized hate group.

You didn’t read the article. He doesn’t defend LF or deny that.

He’s equivocating. I don’t understand why we can’t see an unequivocal condemnation of him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Louis Farrakhan will speak on July 4th at a 2020 edition of the Million Man March.

Look for who attends that. If I see BLM leaders there, I cannot believe that they do not support anti-Semitism.

They need to 100%, unequivocally, disavow him.

Name a BLM leader.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

First of all BLM is a decentralized movement. The actual BLM organization/founders have no control over what local chapters do. So in effect, it does not have leadership. Just a large number of local leaders. None of this matters though, b/c honestly many of you guys will be outraged regardless of what they do or say.

Thankfully, There are more than enough Jewish brothers and sisters who understand the nuance behind why blacks, who in many cases do not support or like LF, would attend a conference/march he speaks at and largely agree with what he says relative to black empowerment. At this point, activists are pretty much done being on the defensive re: fake outrage re:LF, antisemitism and “reverse racism”. The time for policing black anger is long over, even though I know many will try.

Absolutely, the time for policing AA anger is absolutely over. However, by the same intersectional token, you should not center yourself in the Jewish anger re: antisemitism, including in the BLM movement (and indeed in the BLM charter). Or attempt to police anger in the women's movement against misogyny within, e.g., the BLM movement. Calling it "fake outrage" is for sure your choice, but there are more hate crimes in this country against Jews than any other group (just like the state, through the police, is murdering more African-American men than any other group). I completely understand why AA are looking for a broader coalition within the AA community - and in effect saying, the Black Lives Matter movement was not created for or by white people (or Hispanic people, or Asian people, or LGBTQ people, etc), and we are not going to concern ourselves with racism or antisemitism, or feminism, or any other isms because our objective is to get the state to stop murdering AA people. BLM does not care if alienates non-AA people - they don't want their time, or their money, or their corporate sponsorship, etc. It is not a movement that seeks consensus or really cares too much what non-African American people think or feel.

If people are offended - and it's not fake offended, it's actually offended - they will hopefully find other ways to support getting the state to stop killing people -or BLM will flame-out like Occupy Wall Street b/c they are too "decentralized" and didn't try to build a broader consensus.

The Black Lives Matter movement does not belong to black people. The BLM "founders" are now in conflict with the Mayor of the nation's capital for painting "Black Lives Matter" on the street without their approval. You'd think they'd be happy. You'd think they'd care about the bigger picture instead of about themselves and getting credit. Guess what -- nobody needs their permission to care about what's happening to african americans in this country. Whites, hispanics, Asians -- everyone has a right to respond to the killing of african americans at the hands of the police. EVERYONE. This is an American issue, not an African American issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Louis Farrakhan will speak on July 4th at a 2020 edition of the Million Man March.

Look for who attends that. If I see BLM leaders there, I cannot believe that they do not support anti-Semitism.

They need to 100%, unequivocally, disavow him.

Name a BLM leader.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

First of all BLM is a decentralized movement. The actual BLM organization/founders have no control over what local chapters do. So in effect, it does not have leadership. Just a large number of local leaders. None of this matters though, b/c honestly many of you guys will be outraged regardless of what they do or say.

Thankfully, There are more than enough Jewish brothers and sisters who understand the nuance behind why blacks, who in many cases do not support or like LF, would attend a conference/march he speaks at and largely agree with what he says relative to black empowerment. At this point, activists are pretty much done being on the defensive re: fake outrage re:LF, antisemitism and “reverse racism”. The time for policing black anger is long over, even though I know many will try.

Absolutely, the time for policing AA anger is absolutely over. However, by the same intersectional token, you should not center yourself in the Jewish anger re: antisemitism, including in the BLM movement (and indeed in the BLM charter). Or attempt to police anger in the women's movement against misogyny within, e.g., the BLM movement. Calling it "fake outrage" is for sure your choice, but there are more hate crimes in this country against Jews than any other group (just like the state, through the police, is murdering more African-American men than any other group). I completely understand why AA are looking for a broader coalition within the AA community - and in effect saying, the Black Lives Matter movement was not created for or by white people (or Hispanic people, or Asian people, or LGBTQ people, etc), and we are not going to concern ourselves with racism or antisemitism, or feminism, or any other isms because our objective is to get the state to stop murdering AA people. BLM does not care if alienates non-AA people - they don't want their time, or their money, or their corporate sponsorship, etc. It is not a movement that seeks consensus or really cares too much what non-African American people think or feel.

If people are offended - and it's not fake offended, it's actually offended - they will hopefully find other ways to support getting the state to stop killing people -or BLM will flame-out like Occupy Wall Street b/c they are too "decentralized" and didn't try to build a broader consensus.

Black folks support issues/groups all the time, like the Democratic Party, while constantly being deeply offended by said parties/groups. Building a broader consensus with nonblacks requires folks who can deal with complexity and nuance, and who can stop making the issue about themselves. That last part is the hardest for most folks.

BLM May flame out, but the energy wont. No putting this genie back in the bottle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Louis Farrakhan will speak on July 4th at a 2020 edition of the Million Man March.

Look for who attends that. If I see BLM leaders there, I cannot believe that they do not support anti-Semitism.

They need to 100%, unequivocally, disavow him.

Name a BLM leader.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

First of all BLM is a decentralized movement. The actual BLM organization/founders have no control over what local chapters do. So in effect, it does not have leadership. Just a large number of local leaders. None of this matters though, b/c honestly many of you guys will be outraged regardless of what they do or say.

Thankfully, There are more than enough Jewish brothers and sisters who understand the nuance behind why blacks, who in many cases do not support or like LF, would attend a conference/march he speaks at and largely agree with what he says relative to black empowerment. At this point, activists are pretty much done being on the defensive re: fake outrage re:LF, antisemitism and “reverse racism”. The time for policing black anger is long over, even though I know many will try.

Absolutely, the time for policing AA anger is absolutely over. However, by the same intersectional token, you should not center yourself in the Jewish anger re: antisemitism, including in the BLM movement (and indeed in the BLM charter). Or attempt to police anger in the women's movement against misogyny within, e.g., the BLM movement. Calling it "fake outrage" is for sure your choice, but there are more hate crimes in this country against Jews than any other group (just like the state, through the police, is murdering more African-American men than any other group). I completely understand why AA are looking for a broader coalition within the AA community - and in effect saying, the Black Lives Matter movement was not created for or by white people (or Hispanic people, or Asian people, or LGBTQ people, etc), and we are not going to concern ourselves with racism or antisemitism, or feminism, or any other isms because our objective is to get the state to stop murdering AA people. BLM does not care if alienates non-AA people - they don't want their time, or their money, or their corporate sponsorship, etc. It is not a movement that seeks consensus or really cares too much what non-African American people think or feel.

If people are offended - and it's not fake offended, it's actually offended - they will hopefully find other ways to support getting the state to stop killing people -or BLM will flame-out like Occupy Wall Street b/c they are too "decentralized" and didn't try to build a broader consensus.

Black folks support issues/groups all the time, like the Democratic Party, while constantly being deeply offended by said parties/groups. Building a broader consensus with nonblacks requires folks who can deal with complexity and nuance, and who can stop making the issue about themselves. That last part is the hardest for most folks.

BLM May flame out, but the energy wont. No putting this genie back in the bottle.

True, but there are some groups and issues they want nothing to do with. That’s very clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Louis Farrakhan will speak on July 4th at a 2020 edition of the Million Man March.

Look for who attends that. If I see BLM leaders there, I cannot believe that they do not support anti-Semitism.

They need to 100%, unequivocally, disavow him.

Name a BLM leader.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

First of all BLM is a decentralized movement. The actual BLM organization/founders have no control over what local chapters do. So in effect, it does not have leadership. Just a large number of local leaders. None of this matters though, b/c honestly many of you guys will be outraged regardless of what they do or say.

Thankfully, There are more than enough Jewish brothers and sisters who understand the nuance behind why blacks, who in many cases do not support or like LF, would attend a conference/march he speaks at and largely agree with what he says relative to black empowerment. At this point, activists are pretty much done being on the defensive re: fake outrage re:LF, antisemitism and “reverse racism”. The time for policing black anger is long over, even though I know many will try.

Absolutely, the time for policing AA anger is absolutely over. However, by the same intersectional token, you should not center yourself in the Jewish anger re: antisemitism, including in the BLM movement (and indeed in the BLM charter). Or attempt to police anger in the women's movement against misogyny within, e.g., the BLM movement. Calling it "fake outrage" is for sure your choice, but there are more hate crimes in this country against Jews than any other group (just like the state, through the police, is murdering more African-American men than any other group). I completely understand why AA are looking for a broader coalition within the AA community - and in effect saying, the Black Lives Matter movement was not created for or by white people (or Hispanic people, or Asian people, or LGBTQ people, etc), and we are not going to concern ourselves with racism or antisemitism, or feminism, or any other isms because our objective is to get the state to stop murdering AA people. BLM does not care if alienates non-AA people - they don't want their time, or their money, or their corporate sponsorship, etc. It is not a movement that seeks consensus or really cares too much what non-African American people think or feel.

If people are offended - and it's not fake offended, it's actually offended - they will hopefully find other ways to support getting the state to stop killing people -or BLM will flame-out like Occupy Wall Street b/c they are too "decentralized" and didn't try to build a broader consensus.

Black folks support issues/groups all the time, like the Democratic Party, while constantly being deeply offended by said parties/groups. Building a broader consensus with nonblacks requires folks who can deal with complexity and nuance, and who can stop making the issue about themselves. That last part is the hardest for most folks.

BLM May flame out, but the energy wont. No putting this genie back in the bottle.

True - but obviously you wouldn’t dream of making it about yourself and policing how people should think or feel about the BLM platform - that would be you improperly making it about yourself. You can’t center yourself in the history of oppression of other groups, right? That would mean you were deficient in the complexity and nuance department.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Louis Farrakhan will speak on July 4th at a 2020 edition of the Million Man March.

Look for who attends that. If I see BLM leaders there, I cannot believe that they do not support anti-Semitism.

They need to 100%, unequivocally, disavow him.

Name a BLM leader.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

First of all BLM is a decentralized movement. The actual BLM organization/founders have no control over what local chapters do. So in effect, it does not have leadership. Just a large number of local leaders. None of this matters though, b/c honestly many of you guys will be outraged regardless of what they do or say.

Thankfully, There are more than enough Jewish brothers and sisters who understand the nuance behind why blacks, who in many cases do not support or like LF, would attend a conference/march he speaks at and largely agree with what he says relative to black empowerment. At this point, activists are pretty much done being on the defensive re: fake outrage re:LF, antisemitism and “reverse racism”. The time for policing black anger is long over, even though I know many will try.

Absolutely, the time for policing AA anger is absolutely over. However, by the same intersectional token, you should not center yourself in the Jewish anger re: antisemitism, including in the BLM movement (and indeed in the BLM charter). Or attempt to police anger in the women's movement against misogyny within, e.g., the BLM movement. Calling it "fake outrage" is for sure your choice, but there are more hate crimes in this country against Jews than any other group (just like the state, through the police, is murdering more African-American men than any other group). I completely understand why AA are looking for a broader coalition within the AA community - and in effect saying, the Black Lives Matter movement was not created for or by white people (or Hispanic people, or Asian people, or LGBTQ people, etc), and we are not going to concern ourselves with racism or antisemitism, or feminism, or any other isms because our objective is to get the state to stop murdering AA people. BLM does not care if alienates non-AA people - they don't want their time, or their money, or their corporate sponsorship, etc. It is not a movement that seeks consensus or really cares too much what non-African American people think or feel.

If people are offended - and it's not fake offended, it's actually offended - they will hopefully find other ways to support getting the state to stop killing people -or BLM will flame-out like Occupy Wall Street b/c they are too "decentralized" and didn't try to build a broader consensus.

Black folks support issues/groups all the time, like the Democratic Party, while constantly being deeply offended by said parties/groups. Building a broader consensus with nonblacks requires folks who can deal with complexity and nuance, and who can stop making the issue about themselves. That last part is the hardest for most folks.

BLM May flame out, but the energy wont. No putting this genie back in the bottle.

True - but obviously you wouldn’t dream of making it about yourself and policing how people should think or feel about the BLM platform - that would be you improperly making it about yourself. You can’t center yourself in the history of oppression of other groups, right? That would mean you were deficient in the complexity and nuance department.

You wouldn’t feel it necessary to explain why the movement has to avoid condemning a recognized organized hate group, right?

[Anonymous]

BLM will never make a difference if it's only about black lives. It doesn't work that way. Either you're against groups of people being victimized or you're not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BLM will never make a difference if it's only about black lives. It doesn't work that way. Either you're against groups of people being victimized or you're not.

Say it loud for the folks in the back!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jews are only going to support Black people if there’s something in it for them. Either money, or power, or something else. That’s just a fact of life, an everybody knows it.

What was “in it” for Jews during the civil rights movement?