The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about “ALL Lives Matter”?

Until Black lives matter, it is clear that all lives don’t matter. We wrote “All men are created equal.” But we actually didn’t mean black folks. We recited “Freedom and justice for all”, when we clearly didn’t mean black folks. The US has a bad track record with including black folks when it says ALL.

The only way you will get white and Asian buy-in is with ALL. Otherwise BLM will continue to be seen as a cop-hating fringe group that gives criminals a pass.

I'm not buying into a movement that preaches violence and the leaders are not condoning bad behavior and teaching peaceful protesting like MLK and other great leaders did. This is just a sh#t show. And, the BLM movement doesn't value black lives as they are letting black people dye during this, black businesses being destroyed and black officers killed. They are far worse than the police with their violence. How many people have been injured, killed or lost their property or business because of this?

You fundamentally misunderstand MLK and have a VERY shallow understanding of his teachings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about “ALL Lives Matter”?

Until Black lives matter, it is clear that all lives don’t matter. We wrote “All men are created equal.” But we actually didn’t mean black folks. We recited “Freedom and justice for all”, when we clearly didn’t mean black folks. The US has a bad track record with including black folks when it says ALL.

We also have a bad track record with hispanics/latino, asian, jews, gay and lesbian, native americans and other groups. But, hey, they don't matter as they aren't as vocal and will not resort to looting, rioting and violence.

Who said they don’t matter? You should start a movement to show they matter. BLM is representing Black people. Now go ahead and do HLM, ALM, GLLM, NALM, OGLM. If you are actually upset then get off your a** and start a movement.

Never heard of Stonewall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about “ALL Lives Matter”?

Until Black lives matter, it is clear that all lives don’t matter. We wrote “All men are created equal.” But we actually didn’t mean black folks. We recited “Freedom and justice for all”, when we clearly didn’t mean black folks. The US has a bad track record with including black folks when it says ALL.

The only way you will get white and Asian buy-in is with ALL. Otherwise BLM will continue to be seen as a cop-hating fringe group that gives criminals a pass.

I'm not buying into a movement that preaches violence and the leaders are not condoning bad behavior and teaching peaceful protesting like MLK and other great leaders did. This is just a sh#t show. And, the BLM movement doesn't value black lives as they are letting black people dye during this, black businesses being destroyed and black officers killed. They are far worse than the police with their violence. How many people have been injured, killed or lost their property or business because of this?

You fundamentally misunderstand MLK and have a VERY shallow understanding of his teachings.

I think MLK would be appalled and horrified at the endless footage of pure opportunistic looting. I think he’d be embarrassed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about “ALL Lives Matter”?

Until Black lives matter, it is clear that all lives don’t matter. We wrote “All men are created equal.” But we actually didn’t mean black folks. We recited “Freedom and justice for all”, when we clearly didn’t mean black folks. The US has a bad track record with including black folks when it says ALL.

The only way you will get white and Asian buy-in is with ALL. Otherwise BLM will continue to be seen as a cop-hating fringe group that gives criminals a pass.

I'm not buying into a movement that preaches violence and the leaders are not condoning bad behavior and teaching peaceful protesting like MLK and other great leaders did. This is just a sh#t show. And, the BLM movement doesn't value black lives as they are letting black people dye during this, black businesses being destroyed and black officers killed. They are far worse than the police with their violence. How many people have been injured, killed or lost their property or business because of this?

You fundamentally misunderstand MLK and have a VERY shallow understanding of his teachings.

I think MLK would be appalled and horrified at the endless footage of pure opportunistic looting. I think he’d be embarrassed.

I think he would be appalled that our nation's capital has become a place where half live in million dollar rowhomes and carry $2k bags to work while the other half lives in abject poverty. He would not be condemning those have-nots for grabbing an armful of clothes or toiletries or whatever after a lifetime of deprivation.

[Anonymous]

guessing you think feminism is a dirty word too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about “ALL Lives Matter”?

Until Black lives matter, it is clear that all lives don’t matter. We wrote “All men are created equal.” But we actually didn’t mean black folks. We recited “Freedom and justice for all”, when we clearly didn’t mean black folks. The US has a bad track record with including black folks when it says ALL.

The only way you will get white and Asian buy-in is with ALL. Otherwise BLM will continue to be seen as a cop-hating fringe group that gives criminals a pass.

I'm not buying into a movement that preaches violence and the leaders are not condoning bad behavior and teaching peaceful protesting like MLK and other great leaders did. This is just a sh#t show. And, the BLM movement doesn't value black lives as they are letting black people dye during this, black businesses being destroyed and black officers killed. They are far worse than the police with their violence. How many people have been injured, killed or lost their property or business because of this?

You fundamentally misunderstand MLK and have a VERY shallow understanding of his teachings.

I think MLK would be appalled and horrified at the endless footage of pure opportunistic looting. I think he’d be embarrassed.

I think he would be appalled that our nation's capital has become a place where half live in million dollar rowhomes and carry $2k bags to work while the other half lives in abject poverty. He would not be condemning those have-nots for grabbing an armful of clothes or toiletries or whatever after a lifetime of deprivation.

Yes, he would be condemning them and he taught non-violent protests. He would not be ok with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about “ALL Lives Matter”?

Until Black lives matter, it is clear that all lives don’t matter. We wrote “All men are created equal.” But we actually didn’t mean black folks. We recited “Freedom and justice for all”, when we clearly didn’t mean black folks. The US has a bad track record with including black folks when it says ALL.

The only way you will get white and Asian buy-in is with ALL. Otherwise BLM will continue to be seen as a cop-hating fringe group that gives criminals a pass.

I'm not buying into a movement that preaches violence and the leaders are not condoning bad behavior and teaching peaceful protesting like MLK and other great leaders did. This is just a sh#t show. And, the BLM movement doesn't value black lives as they are letting black people dye during this, black businesses being destroyed and black officers killed. They are far worse than the police with their violence. How many people have been injured, killed or lost their property or business because of this?

You fundamentally misunderstand MLK and have a VERY shallow understanding of his teachings.

So, what you are saying is he wasn't a great man after all?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about “ALL Lives Matter”?

Until Black lives matter, it is clear that all lives don’t matter. We wrote “All men are created equal.” But we actually didn’t mean black folks. We recited “Freedom and justice for all”, when we clearly didn’t mean black folks. The US has a bad track record with including black folks when it says ALL.

The only way you will get white and Asian buy-in is with ALL. Otherwise BLM will continue to be seen as a cop-hating fringe group that gives criminals a pass.

I'm not buying into a movement that preaches violence and the leaders are not condoning bad behavior and teaching peaceful protesting like MLK and other great leaders did. This is just a sh#t show. And, the BLM movement doesn't value black lives as they are letting black people dye during this, black businesses being destroyed and black officers killed. They are far worse than the police with their violence. How many people have been injured, killed or lost their property or business because of this?

Lies. Go to their pages. They are actually stating that they are a peaceful group.

They can state what ever they want but actions are speaking louder than websites.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about “ALL Lives Matter”?

Until Black lives matter, it is clear that all lives don’t matter. We wrote “All men are created equal.” But we actually didn’t mean black folks. We recited “Freedom and justice for all”, when we clearly didn’t mean black folks. The US has a bad track record with including black folks when it says ALL.

The only way you will get white and Asian buy-in is with ALL. Otherwise BLM will continue to be seen as a cop-hating fringe group that gives criminals a pass.

I'm not buying into a movement that preaches violence and the leaders are not condoning bad behavior and teaching peaceful protesting like MLK and other great leaders did. This is just a sh#t show. And, the BLM movement doesn't value black lives as they are letting black people dye during this, black businesses being destroyed and black officers killed. They are far worse than the police with their violence. How many people have been injured, killed or lost their property or business because of this?

You fundamentally misunderstand MLK and have a VERY shallow understanding of his teachings.

So, what you are saying is he wasn't a great man after all?

No. I said what I said.

[Anonymous]

Here is the movement leaders website. Nothing is mentioned or updated.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/news/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the movement leaders website. Nothing is mentioned or updated.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/news/

They’re kinda busy protesting especially since Louisville cops shot another man without their body cams on. Maybe they can update the website when cops stop killing Black men.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who feel that way are those who oppose the movement itself, and those people will continue to find excuses to oppose it no matter what it’s called.

No, 100% support the movement but agree the name makes many people feel like others are not as important.

The people who feel that way *want* to feel that way -- they want to find a reason not to support the movement. It's obvious that the phrase means "black lives matter, too," not "only black lives matter." There are exactly zero people who would support the movement if only they had a different name. [/quote


#BLMT

Actually this is correct. If I recall the story of the woman who coined the phrase it originally was:

Black Lives Matter, Too

As a black person I think whatever the name is white people will continue to do mental gymnastics to avoid supporting black people so IMO this is a worthless discussion. Either you support the human rights of your fellow black Americans or you don't.

We would be a lot better off if white folks would think about their internal, mental gymnastics. These threads are full of them. I heard someone say racism is like smog, we all breathe it in. Just sit in that for a moment for goodness sake.

Do you know why it was shortened? I think that would have been an even more successful name. Having said that, I don't think they should or will change it at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about “ALL Lives Matter”?

Until Black lives matter, it is clear that all lives don’t matter. We wrote “All men are created equal.” But we actually didn’t mean black folks. We recited “Freedom and justice for all”, when we clearly didn’t mean black folks. The US has a bad track record with including black folks when it says ALL.

+1

White folks need to be reminded that people besides white folks matter. Apparently this is a difficult concept.


-white person

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only people who feel that way are those who oppose the movement itself, and those people will continue to find excuses to oppose it no matter what it’s called.

No, 100% support the movement but agree the name makes many people feel like others are not as important.

The people who feel that way *want* to feel that way -- they want to find a reason not to support the movement. It's obvious that the phrase means "black lives matter, too," not "only black lives matter." There are exactly zero people who would support the movement if only they had a different name. [/quote


#BLMT

Actually this is correct. If I recall the story of the woman who coined the phrase it originally was:

Black Lives Matter, Too

As a black person I think whatever the name is white people will continue to do mental gymnastics to avoid supporting black people so IMO this is a worthless discussion. Either you support the human rights of your fellow black Americans or you don't.

We would be a lot better off if white folks would think about their internal, mental gymnastics. These threads are full of them. I heard someone say racism is like smog, we all breathe it in. Just sit in that for a moment for goodness sake.

Do you know why it was shortened? I think that would have been an even more successful name. Having said that, I don't think they should or will change it at this point.

She just explained very clearly why it wouldn’t be successful. If Whiteness isn’t centered White people will have an issue with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all act like children when one kid gets an ice cream cone and the others don't. Grow up.

No ... this is when Tom and Suzy already got ice cream and someone advocates for Billy to get an ice cream too. But wait, should we be advocating for ALL kids to get ice cream??? Well, no, two of them already have ice cream.