So is MOCO just never opening?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The purpose of the stay at home order was to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. The county's hospitals are not overwhelmed and someone can set up a number (I'm making this up because I don't know the right number), let's say when ALL hospitals hit 80% capacity we lock down until it's below 50%. Other than that, allow 50% capacity in shops, stores, restaurants. People that can work at home must continue to work at home. Places that care for at risk individuals such as the elderly will be extremely restricted. All grocery delivery is reserved for at-risk individuals. The stay at home order is a treating everything like a nail because all you have is a hammer.

Totally agree.

It’s also asinine at this point because MoCo actually *did* adopt the pre-Phase 1 permitted activities. So we have a stay at home order, except if you want to play tennis with someone or baseball or participate in an outdoor fitness class.

You can go to Lowe’s or Target and get things, but god forbid your local shop that sells the same stuff opens up!

That's strange, I live in MoCo and our local hardware stores are open with low contact pick up. As well as stores that sell food plus gift items, also with low contact pick up. As well as my favorite bird / nature store, also with low contact pick up (Backyard Naturalist in Olney is awesome!)

Yep. American Plant is also open for pick-up. Snider's is open. MOM is open. Strosnider's is open. Colonial Opticians is open.

Yes, but what about the following: You can buy toys, records, and CDs at Target. But your local toy store or record/CD shop isn’t allowed to open. I understand Target also sells essential items, but I’m not convinced you are at SO much higher risk spending 15 minutes in a record shop that’s allowed to open at limited capacity than you are spending longer than that in a Target getting all sorts of things.

We are going to see a lot of small retail businesses just shutter forever because these policies favor big box stores that sell a range of items over more specialized, smaller stores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is absurd. People absolutely should be calling and complaining and when the time comes voting for other candidates and putting money towards someone viable to get this fool out of office. Do we even need that level of testing? Many areas now have more testing than demand - people just aren’t asking for the tests. But yeah let’s destroy the local economy due to some nursing home deaths.

It's kind of depressing, how fast the conversation shifted from "stay home" to "time to stop staying home" once it became apparent that most covid deaths are [those people].

Actually, the data has become clearer and clearer about who this affects (hint: not young healthy people). Meanwhile, we were supposed to shut down for a short period of time to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed. Hospitals are empty and in risk of closure because they aren’t earning money. It’s quite enough. We’ve passed by any common sense.

You're overlooking an intelligent appraisal of the data. Elderly people are dying because they are in rest homes and/or hospitals where they are exposed. Watch what happens now that we have more magacovidiots out and about without masks trying to act like there is no pandemic. Just watch. We'll see more age groups affected. In Loudoun we had 18 new cases last week with 48 deaths in the county. The majority of deaths in the county are of those 70 and older although 3 in their 60s and on in their 50s also died. What you ignore pp is that more than half of the cases in the county that require hospitalization are much younger with age ranges from 11 to 50s. Keep pretending that it only affects the older generation. BTW are you anti-choice wrt women's rights?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is absurd. People absolutely should be calling and complaining and when the time comes voting for other candidates and putting money towards someone viable to get this fool out of office. Do we even need that level of testing? Many areas now have more testing than demand - people just aren’t asking for the tests. But yeah let’s destroy the local economy due to some nursing home deaths.

It's kind of depressing, how fast the conversation shifted from "stay home" to "time to stop staying home" once it became apparent that most covid deaths are [those people].

Actually, the data has become clearer and clearer about who this affects (hint: not young healthy people). Meanwhile, we were supposed to shut down for a short period of time to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed. Hospitals are empty and in risk of closure because they aren’t earning money. It’s quite enough. We’ve passed by any common sense.

You're overlooking an intelligent appraisal of the data. Elderly people are dying because they are in rest homes and/or hospitals where they are exposed. Watch what happens now that we have more magacovidiots out and about without masks trying to act like there is no pandemic. Just watch. We'll see more age groups affected. In Loudoun we had 18 new cases last week with 48 deaths in the county. The majority of deaths in the county are of those 70 and older although 3 in their 60s and on in their 50s also died. What you ignore pp is that more than half of the cases in the county that require hospitalization are much younger with age ranges from 11 to 50s. Keep pretending that it only affects the older generation. BTW are you anti-choice wrt women's rights?

What are you babbling about? Are you seriously arguing that older people aren't disproportionately affected?

[Anonymous]

Elrich totally screwed up this county should have been the leader in the distance learning, protecting workers,-the county employees are using donated home made masks because the county has none and there is no guarantee that they meet minimum safety requirements.

[Anonymous]

It took me 2 seconds to go to their FB page and look at the metrics they have for reopening: https://www.facebook.com/montgomerycountyinfo/photos/a.72332866648/10158261258296649/?type=3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elrich totally screwed up this county should have been the leader in the distance learning, protecting workers,-the county employees are using donated home made masks because the county has none and there is no guarantee that they meet minimum safety requirements.

Elrich is not the problem. He is literally the only one that IS trying to protect the workers. Blame the Council. Especially Riemer and Friedson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It took me 2 seconds to go to their FB page and look at the metrics they have for reopening: https://www.facebook.com/montgomerycountyinfo/photos/a.72332866648/10158261258296649/?type=3

We want the NUMBERS. We know the metrics, but nowhere have they posted what the hospitalization, ICU, and testing numbers are for MoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The purpose of the stay at home order was to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. The county's hospitals are not overwhelmed and someone can set up a number (I'm making this up because I don't know the right number), let's say when ALL hospitals hit 80% capacity we lock down until it's below 50%. Other than that, allow 50% capacity in shops, stores, restaurants. People that can work at home must continue to work at home. Places that care for at risk individuals such as the elderly will be extremely restricted. All grocery delivery is reserved for at-risk individuals. The stay at home order is a treating everything like a nail because all you have is a hammer.

Totally agree.

It’s also asinine at this point because MoCo actually *did* adopt the pre-Phase 1 permitted activities. So we have a stay at home order, except if you want to play tennis with someone or baseball or participate in an outdoor fitness class.

You can go to Lowe’s or Target and get things, but god forbid your local shop that sells the same stuff opens up!

That's strange, I live in MoCo and our local hardware stores are open with low contact pick up. As well as stores that sell food plus gift items, also with low contact pick up. As well as my favorite bird / nature store, also with low contact pick up (Backyard Naturalist in Olney is awesome!)

Yep. American Plant is also open for pick-up. Snider's is open. MOM is open. Strosnider's is open. Colonial Opticians is open.

Yes, but what about the following: You can buy toys, records, and CDs at Target. But your local toy store or record/CD shop isn’t allowed to open. I understand Target also sells essential items, but I’m not convinced you are at SO much higher risk spending 15 minutes in a record shop that’s allowed to open at limited capacity than you are spending longer than that in a Target getting all sorts of things.

We are going to see a lot of small retail businesses just shutter forever because these policies favor big box stores that sell a range of items over more specialized, smaller stores.

If I owned a store that sold something that wasn't groceries, I would clear a few isles of the store and stock junk food, bread, milk, and a few other things and say that I was converting my shop to a convenience store/toy store.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The purpose of the stay at home order was to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. The county's hospitals are not overwhelmed and someone can set up a number (I'm making this up because I don't know the right number), let's say when ALL hospitals hit 80% capacity we lock down until it's below 50%. Other than that, allow 50% capacity in shops, stores, restaurants. People that can work at home must continue to work at home. Places that care for at risk individuals such as the elderly will be extremely restricted. All grocery delivery is reserved for at-risk individuals. The stay at home order is a treating everything like a nail because all you have is a hammer.

Totally agree.

It’s also asinine at this point because MoCo actually *did* adopt the pre-Phase 1 permitted activities. So we have a stay at home order, except if you want to play tennis with someone or baseball or participate in an outdoor fitness class.

You can go to Lowe’s or Target and get things, but god forbid your local shop that sells the same stuff opens up!

That's strange, I live in MoCo and our local hardware stores are open with low contact pick up. As well as stores that sell food plus gift items, also with low contact pick up. As well as my favorite bird / nature store, also with low contact pick up (Backyard Naturalist in Olney is awesome!)

Yep. American Plant is also open for pick-up. Snider's is open. MOM is open. Strosnider's is open. Colonial Opticians is open.

Yes, but what about the following: You can buy toys, records, and CDs at Target. But your local toy store or record/CD shop isn’t allowed to open. I understand Target also sells essential items, but I’m not convinced you are at SO much higher risk spending 15 minutes in a record shop that’s allowed to open at limited capacity than you are spending longer than that in a Target getting all sorts of things.

We are going to see a lot of small retail businesses just shutter forever because these policies favor big box stores that sell a range of items over more specialized, smaller stores.

Well, we are in this for the long haul. Probably with many spikes and reclosings across the nation once we open back up.

Locally owned places like The Family Room.in Laytonsville, which sells.various food items and gifts and is open for curbside pickup, will do better.

Locally owned places like Country Boy Jr in Glenmont, which sells beer, wine, produce,.and plants, will do better.

The local Habit for Humanity Restore is selling secondhand furniture and assorted items for delivery only, they will do better than charity shops that haven't changed their model.

Roots market is pulling in items from their home store as well, to sell in the grocery market.

And those are just a few places in MoCo that are near where I live and shop. Businesses who inovate will survive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The purpose of the stay at home order was to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. The county's hospitals are not overwhelmed and someone can set up a number (I'm making this up because I don't know the right number), let's say when ALL hospitals hit 80% capacity we lock down until it's below 50%. Other than that, allow 50% capacity in shops, stores, restaurants. People that can work at home must continue to work at home. Places that care for at risk individuals such as the elderly will be extremely restricted. All grocery delivery is reserved for at-risk individuals. The stay at home order is a treating everything like a nail because all you have is a hammer.

Totally agree.

It’s also asinine at this point because MoCo actually *did* adopt the pre-Phase 1 permitted activities. So we have a stay at home order, except if you want to play tennis with someone or baseball or participate in an outdoor fitness class.

You can go to Lowe’s or Target and get things, but god forbid your local shop that sells the same stuff opens up!

That's strange, I live in MoCo and our local hardware stores are open with low contact pick up. As well as stores that sell food plus gift items, also with low contact pick up. As well as my favorite bird / nature store, also with low contact pick up (Backyard Naturalist in Olney is awesome!)

Yep. American Plant is also open for pick-up. Snider's is open. MOM is open. Strosnider's is open. Colonial Opticians is open.

Yes, but what about the following: You can buy toys, records, and CDs at Target. But your local toy store or record/CD shop isn’t allowed to open. I understand Target also sells essential items, but I’m not convinced you are at SO much higher risk spending 15 minutes in a record shop that’s allowed to open at limited capacity than you are spending longer than that in a Target getting all sorts of things.

We are going to see a lot of small retail businesses just shutter forever because these policies favor big box stores that sell a range of items over more specialized, smaller stores.

Well, we are in this for the long haul. Probably with many spikes and reclosings across the nation once we open back up.

Locally owned places like The Family Room.in Laytonsville, which sells.various food items and gifts and is open for curbside pickup, will do better.

Locally owned places like Country Boy Jr in Glenmont, which sells beer, wine, produce,.and plants, will do better.

The local Habit for Humanity Restore is selling secondhand furniture and assorted items for delivery only, they will do better than charity shops that haven't changed their model.

Roots market is pulling in items from their home store as well, to sell in the grocery market.

And those are just a few places in MoCo that are near where I live and shop. Businesses who inovate will survive.

My point is that if the eyewear and hardware stores can open, then so can the toy and record stores. They shouldn’t have to change their business model because I am at no greater risk in a record store than I am in a hardware store.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Elrich totally screwed up this county should have been the leader in the distance learning, protecting workers,-the county employees are using donated home made masks because the county has none and there is no guarantee that they meet minimum safety requirements.

Elrich is not the problem. He is literally the only one that IS trying to protect the workers. Blame the Council. Especially Riemer and Friedson.

he is the problem, he lacks leadership, his head of homeland security is not qualified and they have not supplied police, fire rescue or bus operators with proper equipment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The announcement that the stay at home order will be continuing "until further notice" is alarming.

Ugh.

There's plenty that's open in Montgomery County right now - and has been open all along. You might have to wait a bit longer to get your nails done or your hair cut.

The point is that the longer they don't go officially into phase 1 the longer it will be until childcare, camps and pools open. Which is what I am waiting for.

Actually the opposite. The longer they are shutdown down, the better contained it can be so they can stay open long enough to get to camps

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elrich totally screwed up this county should have been the leader in the distance learning, protecting workers,-the county employees are using donated home made masks because the county has none and there is no guarantee that they meet minimum safety requirements.

Elrich is not the problem. He is literally the only one that IS trying to protect the workers. Blame the Council. Especially Riemer and Friedson.

he is the problem, he lacks leadership, his head of homeland security is not qualified and they have not supplied police, fire rescue or bus operators with proper equipment.

1. PPE is a statewide and nationwide shortage issue
2. The lack of leadership is inherent to the term limits clause now. There is no longer any political incentive for the council to work with the executive, given that at least three Councilmembers are term limited and will be trying to take Marc's job. It's all politics, nobody can really get anything done.

[Anonymous]

Elrich always wanted to punish businesses, and this is his chance.

[Anonymous]

Erlich needs to go. Bye!