So is MOCO just never opening?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The metrics are both mathematically laughable and logistically impossible to attain:

— They want 5% testing capacity per month. That means doing an average of about 1,700 tests in MoCo per day. Statewide we are doing about 3,000 tests per day. No one knows how MoCo will get our testing capacity up to the point where we are doing 50% of what the entire state is doing.

— Amid all this increased testing, they want a 14-day decline in new cases.

— They want a 14-day decline—as calculated by rolling average—in deaths. We are now averaging 12.4 deaths per day. How can we attain a 14-day decline in a metric that is BELOW 14?

— They want a decline in hospitalizations, yet Gayles said last week that he doesn’t even know how many COVID patients we have in MoCo, and our hospitals haven’t been overwhelmed (with the exception of 2 Silver Spring ones).

That’s just 4 examples of the absurdity of these metrics.

Email your governor. I’m in Fairfax County and would love to see MoCo open since the region all seems to be following each other’s lead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The metrics are both mathematically laughable and logistically impossible to attain:

— They want 5% testing capacity per month. That means doing an average of about 1,700 tests in MoCo per day. Statewide we are doing about 3,000 tests per day. No one knows how MoCo will get our testing capacity up to the point where we are doing 50% of what the entire state is doing.

— Amid all this increased testing, they want a 14-day decline in new cases.

— They want a 14-day decline—as calculated by rolling average—in deaths. We are now averaging 12.4 deaths per day. How can we attain a 14-day decline in a metric that is BELOW 14?

— They want a decline in hospitalizations, yet Gayles said last week that he doesn’t even know how many COVID patients we have in MoCo, and our hospitals haven’t been overwhelmed (with the exception of 2 Silver Spring ones).

That’s just 4 examples of the absurdity of these metrics.

Email your governor. I’m in Fairfax County and would love to see MoCo open since the region all seems to be following each other’s lead.

I will. Gayles does say “we’re working in concert with nearby jurisdictions,” so I have a feeling that as soon as NoVA opens, MoCo will too, regardless of whether we’ve hit these asinine metrics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The announcement that the stay at home order will be continuing "until further notice" is alarming.

Ugh.

There's plenty that's open in Montgomery County right now - and has been open all along. You might have to wait a bit longer to get your nails done or your hair cut.

The point is that the longer they don't go officially into phase 1 the longer it will be until childcare, camps and pools open. Which is what I am waiting for.

Camps are not going to open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The metrics are both mathematically laughable and logistically impossible to attain:

— They want 5% testing capacity per month. That means doing an average of about 1,700 tests in MoCo per day. Statewide we are doing about 3,000 tests per day. No one knows how MoCo will get our testing capacity up to the point where we are doing 50% of what the entire state is doing.

— Amid all this increased testing, they want a 14-day decline in new cases.

— They want a 14-day decline—as calculated by rolling average—in deaths. We are now averaging 12.4 deaths per day. How can we attain a 14-day decline in a metric that is BELOW 14?

— They want a decline in hospitalizations, yet Gayles said last week that he doesn’t even know how many COVID patients we have in MoCo, and our hospitals haven’t been overwhelmed (with the exception of 2 Silver Spring ones).

That’s just 4 examples of the absurdity of these metrics.

Email your governor. I’m in Fairfax County and would love to see MoCo open since the region all seems to be following each other’s lead.

I strongly believe that emailing and calling local governors actually has zero effect and is just a waste of time. They do what they want-just like every other elected official.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The announcement that the stay at home order will be continuing "until further notice" is alarming.

Ugh.

There's plenty that's open in Montgomery County right now - and has been open all along. You might have to wait a bit longer to get your nails done or your hair cut.

The point is that the longer they don't go officially into phase 1 the longer it will be until childcare, camps and pools open. Which is what I am waiting for.

Camps are not going to open.

What else did your crystal ball say?

[Anonymous]

What kind of personality disorder -- or mental illness -- is it that interprets these stay at home orders are doing on forever? So many posts about it not being sustainable "FOREVER" and we can't stay inside FOREVER.

Is this how you approach reaching a goal -- you can't sustain hard work FOREVER, or you can't diet FOREVER?

It's not forever. Obviously. It's until it's safe to reopen. MoCo is a way more densely populated county that the ones that are opening. That's why it's not safe here yet. But let's not pretend you don't know that, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The announcement that the stay at home order will be continuing "until further notice" is alarming.

Ugh.

There's plenty that's open in Montgomery County right now - and has been open all along. You might have to wait a bit longer to get your nails done or your hair cut.

The point is that the longer they don't go officially into phase 1 the longer it will be until childcare, camps and pools open. Which is what I am waiting for.

Camps are not going to open.

Why? They’re opening in CT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What kind of personality disorder -- or mental illness -- is it that interprets these stay at home orders are doing on forever? So many posts about it not being sustainable "FOREVER" and we can't stay inside FOREVER.

Is this how you approach reaching a goal -- you can't sustain hard work FOREVER, or you can't diet FOREVER?

It's not forever. Obviously. It's until it's safe to reopen. MoCo is a way more densely populated county that the ones that are opening. That's why it's not safe here yet. But let's not pretend you don't know that, OP.

Have you actually looked at the metrics? They’re laughable.

[Anonymous]

I think pools should let in one family at a time for a 45 minute swim, by appointment. Why not?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of personality disorder -- or mental illness -- is it that interprets these stay at home orders are doing on forever? So many posts about it not being sustainable "FOREVER" and we can't stay inside FOREVER.

Is this how you approach reaching a goal -- you can't sustain hard work FOREVER, or you can't diet FOREVER?

It's not forever. Obviously. It's until it's safe to reopen. MoCo is a way more densely populated county that the ones that are opening. That's why it's not safe here yet. But let's not pretend you don't know that, OP.

Have you actually looked at the metrics? They’re laughable.

How so? (And please don't be the poster who says we have as much chance of dying in a car crash. If I have to read that one more time I'll jump off the roof -- and we all know how much THAT would bother you.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They will reopen when the number of cases and hospitalizations go down.

These numbers will not go down. They will continue to go up. You can’t look at it that way. Look for the percentage of positives to drop.

If people in the DC metro are waiting for the number of cases to go down we will never start reopening.

Right, especially as we are testing more.

That’s why Hogan’s team of public health experts isn’t focusing on that metric. But I guess Gayles and Elrich know better.

MoCo always knows better. That's why MCPS decided to develop their own curriculum (then hire pricey consultants to develop it). That's why MoCo has unique fire safety standards so if you want to install a gas fire pit, there's only one vendor that makes an approved gas burner (ok, this affects few people, just an example). That's why MoCo passed the "Crown act" preventing discimination in hiring based on hairstyle, despite never being a single report of such discrimination taking place in MoCo.

Though I disagree with much of his politics, Elrich was OK as a councilmember because he had 8 others as a sanity check. As CoExec, we've seen he can't manage since he never had any experience -- his only previous "real job" was as a schoolteacher. In some ways, Trump and Elrich aren't that different, though of course on other sides of the political spectrum. Both can't seem to manage well at all.

Here's a link to reopening criteria by Councilman Glass:
https://twitter.com/EvanMGlass/status/1262011844258140161?s=20

Notice we see no hard numbers. What's "sustained decline"? 1%? 10%?

Then, where are those numbers for MoCo? Two of the measures are hospitalization rates and ICU bed use decreasing. Ok, that sounds reasonable.

So, where is the data for MoCo? Here's their webpage:
https://montgomerycountymd.gov/HHS/RightNav/Coronavirus.html

I don't see it. They just have infection and death rates.

Good job, MoCo! Elrich mismanagement. If you're going to announce criteria, how about making the data public an easily accessible, and explain waht "sustained" means in real numbers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of personality disorder -- or mental illness -- is it that interprets these stay at home orders are doing on forever? So many posts about it not being sustainable "FOREVER" and we can't stay inside FOREVER.

Is this how you approach reaching a goal -- you can't sustain hard work FOREVER, or you can't diet FOREVER?

It's not forever. Obviously. It's until it's safe to reopen. MoCo is a way more densely populated county that the ones that are opening. That's why it's not safe here yet. But let's not pretend you don't know that, OP.

Have you actually looked at the metrics? They’re laughable.

How so? (And please don't be the poster who says we have as much chance of dying in a car crash. If I have to read that one more time I'll jump off the roof -- and we all know how much THAT would bother you.)

I posted it above, but I’ll paste it again here:

The metrics are both mathematically laughable and logistically impossible to attain:

— They want 5% testing capacity per month. That means doing an average of about 1,700 tests in MoCo per day. Statewide we are doing about 3,000 tests per day. No one knows how MoCo will get our testing capacity up to the point where we are doing 50% of what the entire state is doing.

— Amid all this increased testing, they want a 14-day decline in new cases.

— They want a 14-day decline—as calculated by rolling average—in deaths. We are now averaging 12.4 deaths per day. How can we attain a 14-day decline in a metric that is BELOW 14?

— They want a decline in hospitalizations, yet Gayles said last week that he doesn’t even know how many COVID patients we have in MoCo, and our hospitals haven’t been overwhelmed (with the exception of 2 Silver Spring ones).

That’s just 4 examples of the absurdity of these metrics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of personality disorder -- or mental illness -- is it that interprets these stay at home orders are doing on forever? So many posts about it not being sustainable "FOREVER" and we can't stay inside FOREVER.

Is this how you approach reaching a goal -- you can't sustain hard work FOREVER, or you can't diet FOREVER?

It's not forever. Obviously. It's until it's safe to reopen. MoCo is a way more densely populated county that the ones that are opening. That's why it's not safe here yet. But let's not pretend you don't know that, OP.

Have you actually looked at the metrics? They’re laughable.

Like a couple of pps have already pointed out-they are basing their reopening plan on are not actually attainable so yes-it could very well last forever. Because when you have unattainable goals they are not ever met.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The announcement that the stay at home order will be continuing "until further notice" is alarming.

Ugh.

There's plenty that's open in Montgomery County right now - and has been open all along. You might have to wait a bit longer to get your nails done or your hair cut.

The point is that the longer they don't go officially into phase 1 the longer it will be until childcare, camps and pools open. Which is what I am waiting for.

Camps are not going to open.

Why? They’re opening in CT.

Well, ok, but they're not opening in Montgomery County. Montgomery Parks and Montgomery Rec have both canceled all of their summer camps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think pools should let in one family at a time for a 45 minute swim, by appointment. Why not?

Let's work out how much each family would have to pay in pool admission fees, for that to be financially feasible.