Fierce competition for Fall 2021 admissions, if lots of current seniors defer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I assume that, if lots of seniors defer and hold places for next year, there will be fewer slots for next year's applicants. Right?

You assume? Well, that must mean it's a thing then.

But she spoke to a few "professors". She also heard three schools don't care about granting deferrals. Must be a desperate 2020 parent whose DC is still on lots of wait list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume that, if lots of seniors defer and hold places for next year, there will be fewer slots for next year's applicants. Right?

You assume? Well, that must mean it's a thing then.

But she spoke to a few "professors". She also heard three schools don't care about granting deferrals. Must be a desperate 2020 parent whose DC is still on lots of wait list.

Nope, a parent of a high stats Junior (high school class 2021) trying to figure out expectations and application strategy for next year. All the data anyone currently has is anecdotal since this is uncharted territory in the last 40 years or so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a guess, but I imagine admission offices might have some hard number of deferments they are not willing to go over. First come, first served sort of approach. Those 2020 who want to defer should get that done ASAP.

Hopefully we'll know more next week perhaps, for schools with May 1 deadlines.

I was speaking with a relative about this. She is a VP for a very well-known and respected university with a >10% acceptance rate. The colleges and universities will only allow a limited number of deferrals. It is a decision they make for financial reasons. Like all businesses, they need the revenue for this upcoming year, not the year after. They aren't going to hold a vast number of student slots open for 1.5 years from now. That would be like Amazon saying, 'Sure, it's fine. We'll hold your TP for you and deliver it in 1.5 years when you're ready to pay.' Nope, not gonna happen.

My DD is in at 3 schools with >10% admit and has talked to them each about deferring. None of them have a problem with it and all have said they have greatly expanded this option for admitted students knowing the uncertainty of the times. She has accepted 1 deferment already and may do another in a few weeks.

How is it possible to accept more than one deferment? Most colleges require an enrollment deposit before deferring, which can only be done at one school. (Some colleges require additional deposits during the coming year, 1-5k)

PP here -- both schools have a less than $500 deposit to enroll.

Are you really that much of a selfish person that you would take multiple spots in future classes for your child to give them a year to decide? And all while knowing it could screw other students like her in next year’s senior class?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a guess, but I imagine admission offices might have some hard number of deferments they are not willing to go over. First come, first served sort of approach. Those 2020 who want to defer should get that done ASAP.

Hopefully we'll know more next week perhaps, for schools with May 1 deadlines.

I was speaking with a relative about this. She is a VP for a very well-known and respected university with a >10% acceptance rate. The colleges and universities will only allow a limited number of deferrals. It is a decision they make for financial reasons. Like all businesses, they need the revenue for this upcoming year, not the year after. They aren't going to hold a vast number of student slots open for 1.5 years from now. That would be like Amazon saying, 'Sure, it's fine. We'll hold your TP for you and deliver it in 1.5 years when you're ready to pay.' Nope, not gonna happen.

My DD is in at 3 schools with >10% admit and has talked to them each about deferring. None of them have a problem with it and all have said they have greatly expanded this option for admitted students knowing the uncertainty of the times. She has accepted 1 deferment already and may do another in a few weeks.

How is it possible to accept more than one deferment? Most colleges require an enrollment deposit before deferring, which can only be done at one school. (Some colleges require additional deposits during the coming year, 1-5k)

PP here -- both schools have a less than $500 deposit to enroll.

Are you really that much of a selfish person that you would take multiple spots in future classes for your child to give them a year to decide? And all while knowing it could screw other students like her in next year’s senior class?

She has not only spoken to her HS college counselor but also both schools. Their decision not yours. You can chill out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There will also be a drop in international students and overall numbers attending college. Finances will play a role. But there’s no way to know how it will all play out for current juniors.

All the chinese who missed out 2020 will be back in full force in 2021 along with their 2021 cohort further complicating the situation for the class of 2021. Need to stop/drastically reduce international recruitment for 5 years..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a guess, but I imagine admission offices might have some hard number of deferments they are not willing to go over. First come, first served sort of approach. Those 2020 who want to defer should get that done ASAP.

Hopefully we'll know more next week perhaps, for schools with May 1 deadlines.

I was speaking with a relative about this. She is a VP for a very well-known and respected university with a >10% acceptance rate. The colleges and universities will only allow a limited number of deferrals. It is a decision they make for financial reasons. Like all businesses, they need the revenue for this upcoming year, not the year after. They aren't going to hold a vast number of student slots open for 1.5 years from now. That would be like Amazon saying, 'Sure, it's fine. We'll hold your TP for you and deliver it in 1.5 years when you're ready to pay.' Nope, not gonna happen.

My DD is in at 3 schools with >10% admit and has talked to them each about deferring. None of them have a problem with it and all have said they have greatly expanded this option for admitted students knowing the uncertainty of the times. She has accepted 1 deferment already and may do another in a few weeks.

How is it possible to accept more than one deferment? Most colleges require an enrollment deposit before deferring, which can only be done at one school. (Some colleges require additional deposits during the coming year, 1-5k)

PP here -- both schools have a less than $500 deposit to enroll.

Are you really that much of a selfish person that you would take multiple spots in future classes for your child to give them a year to decide? And all while knowing it could screw other students like her in next year’s senior class?

She has not only spoken to her HS college counselor but also both schools. Their decision not yours. You can chill out.

Can’t you get rescinded for double depositing?

[Anonymous]

A high school is only going to send one 'final transcript' to one school. So one could double deposit, but it will get kind of awkward when the second school doesn't receive said transcript.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a guess, but I imagine admission offices might have some hard number of deferments they are not willing to go over. First come, first served sort of approach. Those 2020 who want to defer should get that done ASAP.

Hopefully we'll know more next week perhaps, for schools with May 1 deadlines.

I was speaking with a relative about this. She is a VP for a very well-known and respected university with a >10% acceptance rate. The colleges and universities will only allow a limited number of deferrals. It is a decision they make for financial reasons. Like all businesses, they need the revenue for this upcoming year, not the year after. They aren't going to hold a vast number of student slots open for 1.5 years from now. That would be like Amazon saying, 'Sure, it's fine. We'll hold your TP for you and deliver it in 1.5 years when you're ready to pay.' Nope, not gonna happen.

My DD is in at 3 schools with >10% admit and has talked to them each about deferring. None of them have a problem with it and all have said they have greatly expanded this option for admitted students knowing the uncertainty of the times. She has accepted 1 deferment already and may do another in a few weeks.

How is it possible to accept more than one deferment? Most colleges require an enrollment deposit before deferring, which can only be done at one school. (Some colleges require additional deposits during the coming year, 1-5k)

PP here -- both schools have a less than $500 deposit to enroll.

Are you really that much of a selfish person that you would take multiple spots in future classes for your child to give them a year to decide? And all while knowing it could screw other students like her in next year’s senior class?

Rich people don’t give a **** about your kid. It’s only 1k to guarantee their kid can do whatever the hell she wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So 20% of all college kids are going to take the year off to live in mommy's basement and work at Mickey D's? Nice, good life choice!

You are a stuck up snob. Your kid could likely learn a lot by working Mickey D's for a year rather than your bubble. Some kids need to defer because the money they planned on making this Spring and Summer at their 30 hour a week job is now gone. And their parents got furloughed and so just maybe, money is now tighter than the family planned and they need a year regroup. Oh and also maybe a family member died so they are a bit spooked about living in the confined space of college dorm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume that, if lots of seniors defer and hold places for next year, there will be fewer slots for next year's applicants. Right?

You assume? Well, that must mean it's a thing then.

But she spoke to a few "professors". She also heard three schools don't care about granting deferrals. Must be a desperate 2020 parent whose DC is still on lots of wait list.

DP. What do you get out of being so rude?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's why student who want to defer should not be allowed to do so. They should have to reapply next year.

Yes because they haven't been screwed over enough this year.

Other than missing graduation (which is boring AF anyway), how have they been more "screwed over" than the class of 2021? I would argue the juniors have it even worse. Many fewer times for testing. Missing out on the most important semester for grades into their transript--and now the 2020 class taking away possibly up to 20% of possible spots for top colleges next year.

I have three teenagers. One in college, one senior, and one sophomore. By far the worst hit is the senior, no comparison. They miss everything related to the end of school, including saying goodbye to their friends. Yes, my Sophomore missed her spring sport which she was trying to be recruited and has to take two on-line AP Exams. It is not a win for anyone but the enormity of disappointment is overwhelming for my senior. If she loses her summer job that will be a huge hit. Her college has not announced that what they will do in Fall BUT they did tell her that if it is on-line, she will be able to defer. That is not normally an option. I feel bad for the next two years of students applying to colleges, especially the juniors because unfortunately I do think they will be the toughest admissions class in quite a long time. So that sucks for them, but there are still plenty of options. They will probably have a more mature outlook on life in the whole process because they have now lived through "anything can happen". However, no class has it worse than the senior class of 2020. I am sad for them and all teenagers but we will get through it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a guess, but I imagine admission offices might have some hard number of deferments they are not willing to go over. First come, first served sort of approach. Those 2020 who want to defer should get that done ASAP.

Hopefully we'll know more next week perhaps, for schools with May 1 deadlines.

I was speaking with a relative about this. She is a VP for a very well-known and respected university with a >10% acceptance rate. The colleges and universities will only allow a limited number of deferrals. It is a decision they make for financial reasons. Like all businesses, they need the revenue for this upcoming year, not the year after. They aren't going to hold a vast number of student slots open for 1.5 years from now. That would be like Amazon saying, 'Sure, it's fine. We'll hold your TP for you and deliver it in 1.5 years when you're ready to pay.' Nope, not gonna happen.

My DD is in at 3 schools with >10% admit and has talked to them each about deferring. None of them have a problem with it and all have said they have greatly expanded this option for admitted students knowing the uncertainty of the times. She has accepted 1 deferment already and may do another in a few weeks.

How is it possible to accept more than one deferment? Most colleges require an enrollment deposit before deferring, which can only be done at one school. (Some colleges require additional deposits during the coming year, 1-5k)

PP here -- both schools have a less than $500 deposit to enroll.

Are you really that much of a selfish person that you would take multiple spots in future classes for your child to give them a year to decide? And all while knowing it could screw other students like her in next year’s senior class?

She has not only spoken to her HS college counselor but also both schools. Their decision not yours. You can chill out.

Can’t you get rescinded for double depositing?

Yes. Of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's why student who want to defer should not be allowed to do so. They should have to reapply next year.

Yes because they haven't been screwed over enough this year.

Other than missing graduation (which is boring AF anyway), how have they been more "screwed over" than the class of 2021? I would argue the juniors have it even worse. Many fewer times for testing. Missing out on the most important semester for grades into their transript--and now the 2020 class taking away possibly up to 20% of possible spots for top colleges next year.

I have three teenagers. One in college, one senior, and one sophomore. By far the worst hit is the senior, no comparison. They miss everything related to the end of school, including saying goodbye to their friends. Yes, my Sophomore missed her spring sport which she was trying to be recruited and has to take two on-line AP Exams. It is not a win for anyone but the enormity of disappointment is overwhelming for my senior. If she loses her summer job that will be a huge hit. Her college has not announced that what they will do in Fall BUT they did tell her that if it is on-line, she will be able to defer. That is not normally an option. I feel bad for the next two years of students applying to colleges, especially the juniors because unfortunately I do think they will be the toughest admissions class in quite a long time. So that sucks for them, but there are still plenty of options. They will probably have a more mature outlook on life in the whole process because they have now lived through "anything can happen". However, no class has it worse than the senior class of 2020. I am sad for them and all teenagers but we will get through it.

Your kid has been admitted to college and has the choice of deferring if she feels like it. How is that worse than the class of 2021. Those kids may not have choices if your DD and others decide to defer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I assume that, if lots of seniors defer and hold places for next year, there will be fewer slots for next year's applicants. Right?

Colleges and universities will only hold so many spots. Period.

This makes sense but isn't what they're currently telling students.

DCUMers only want to know what they can Google.

Truth is, colleges will be happy to refund money to those who did not or will not start the year. No one has “rights” to “reserve” a space. Colleges and universities can essentially do as they please; and there is absolutely no incentive for schools to “save anyone’s spot”. That would be ridiculous and bad business sense. Where are you people getting this bad information?

This.

The amount of $$$ 2020 parents pay for college tuition is relatively fixed. That amount is not magically bigger than that of 2021. The number 1 priority of any college administrator right now is to maximize the 2020 tuition dollars coming in. It makes zero sense for any college to defer 20% of the revenue to next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume that, if lots of seniors defer and hold places for next year, there will be fewer slots for next year's applicants. Right?

Colleges and universities will only hold so many spots. Period.

This makes sense but isn't what they're currently telling students.

DCUMers only want to know what they can Google.

Truth is, colleges will be happy to refund money to those who did not or will not start the year. No one has “rights” to “reserve” a space. Colleges and universities can essentially do as they please; and there is absolutely no incentive for schools to “save anyone’s spot”. That would be ridiculous and bad business sense. Where are you people getting this bad information?

This.

The amount of $$$ 2020 parents pay for college tuition is relatively fixed. That amount is not magically bigger than that of 2021. The number 1 priority of any college administrator right now is to maximize the 2020 tuition dollars coming in. It makes zero sense for any college to defer 20% of the revenue to next year.

If they defer students, they will also pull from the waitlist. $ will be coming in this year.