Barnard student stabbed to death

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just say the fact that they arrested a CHILD for doing this just makes everything all the more tragic. Obviously I know a 13 year-old can be hardened and vicious, but to be brought up to believe that robbing and then striking out with a knife when it doesn’t go according to plan is even an option is horrific to me. Think of the 13 year olds you know, in your children’s schools. What would they have to go through to become that person? And to be the girl who was stabbed...ack it’s just so upsetting all around.

Before I get flamed I am not excusing the actions of the attacker. It’s just sad that a child was even in a situation that desperate in the first place.

I agree with you. It is a tragedy on both sides. We might both get flamed for this. But for a 13 year old to rob and stab someone means that that child was failed along the line.

Both sides, huh? You’re an imbecile.

You can say that from your high horse, but imagine the life that 13 year old kid has had up til this point. My guess is it has been pretty awful. Of course I feel tremendous sympathy for the family of the young woman who was murdered, but I also feel sympathy for a 13 year old who we can probably safely assume, came from a violent and unsafe environment.

You’re making a lot of assumptions. How about the kid is just evil and amoral.....have you considered that possibility or are you too busy making up excuses?

+1 took the words right out of my mouth. Kid is just evil, a bad seed.

[Anonymous]

Barnard ED coming out this evening. Columbia was released yesterday. I heard they kept the Columbia acceptance celebration pretty muted. Same for Barnard tonight I guess. As they should. I assume both campuses are in mourning

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just say the fact that they arrested a CHILD for doing this just makes everything all the more tragic. Obviously I know a 13 year-old can be hardened and vicious, but to be brought up to believe that robbing and then striking out with a knife when it doesn’t go according to plan is even an option is horrific to me. Think of the 13 year olds you know, in your children’s schools. What would they have to go through to become that person? And to be the girl who was stabbed...ack it’s just so upsetting all around.

Before I get flamed I am not excusing the actions of the attacker. It’s just sad that a child was even in a situation that desperate in the first place.

I agree with you. It is a tragedy on both sides. We might both get flamed for this. But for a 13 year old to rob and stab someone means that that child was failed along the line.

Both sides, huh? You’re an imbecile.

You can say that from your high horse, but imagine the life that 13 year old kid has had up til this point. My guess is it has been pretty awful. Of course I feel tremendous sympathy for the family of the young woman who was murdered, but I also feel sympathy for a 13 year old who we can probably safely assume, came from a violent and unsafe environment.

You’re making a lot of assumptions. How about the kid is just evil and amoral.....have you considered that possibility or are you too busy making up excuses?

+1 took the words right out of my mouth. Kid is just evil, a bad seed.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/13/tessa-majors-murder-suspect-arrested-in-stabbing-of-barnard-student/
The kid's aunt is legal guardian. His mom is dead. No father in the picture. The kid is evil. A bleak life probably helped to create this evil.
We can never address the root causes without acknowledging them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So tragic. Shocked it happened in early evening. Nobody saw her lying on the ground for half an hour. I am sure there must be people walking near the park. Pedestrians on the sidewalk, many vehicles plying the streets. Its a busy area.

It really gets me that this occurred at 5:30pm. That is horrifying.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just say the fact that they arrested a CHILD for doing this just makes everything all the more tragic. Obviously I know a 13 year-old can be hardened and vicious, but to be brought up to believe that robbing and then striking out with a knife when it doesn’t go according to plan is even an option is horrific to me. Think of the 13 year olds you know, in your children’s schools. What would they have to go through to become that person? And to be the girl who was stabbed...ack it’s just so upsetting all around.

Before I get flamed I am not excusing the actions of the attacker. It’s just sad that a child was even in a situation that desperate in the first place.

I agree with you. It is a tragedy on both sides. We might both get flamed for this. But for a 13 year old to rob and stab someone means that that child was failed along the line.

Both sides, huh? You’re an imbecile.

You can say that from your high horse, but imagine the life that 13 year old kid has had up til this point. My guess is it has been pretty awful. Of course I feel tremendous sympathy for the family of the young woman who was murdered, but I also feel sympathy for a 13 year old who we can probably safely assume, came from a violent and unsafe environment.

I'm sorry but if you're 13 years old--which my DS is--you cannot blame a hard life for murdering a person. Yes, it is true that there are kids who grow up under terrible and abusive situations, but the majority of them, the vast majority, do NOT go around randomly stabbing strangers to death.

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"The history with Morningside Park and Columbia University goes back decades."

Columbia wanted to expand into the park and it became a violent, uber progressive cause to resist the generous concessions proposed by Columbia.

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Anonymous wrote:This is interesting:

"Barnard/Columbia has a mandatory orientation program known as 'Under One Roof'. There, the one thing drilled into us more than anything was that calling Harlem and/or the parks “dangerous” was super racist-we were told to think they were super safe. Gentrification was also racist, with privileged taking from lower means. They would chastise anyone as a racist if they voiced any concern in regards to safety."

What is this quote from?

DP

I didn't go to Columbia, but to another college in a 'gritty' city, and the college prided itself on 'diversity', etc.

I will echo the PP's quote.

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I'm sorry but if you're 13 years old--which my DS is--you cannot blame a hard life for murdering a person. Yes, it is true that there are kids who grow up under terrible and abusive situations, but the majority of them, the vast majority, do NOT go around randomly stabbing strangers to death.

So you're saying your son could stab someone at any moment?

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just say the fact that they arrested a CHILD for doing this just makes everything all the more tragic. Obviously I know a 13 year-old can be hardened and vicious, but to be brought up to believe that robbing and then striking out with a knife when it doesn’t go according to plan is even an option is horrific to me. Think of the 13 year olds you know, in your children’s schools. What would they have to go through to become that person? And to be the girl who was stabbed...ack it’s just so upsetting all around.

Before I get flamed I am not excusing the actions of the attacker. It’s just sad that a child was even in a situation that desperate in the first place.

I agree with you. It is a tragedy on both sides. We might both get flamed for this. But for a 13 year old to rob and stab someone means that that child was failed along the line.

Both sides, huh? You’re an imbecile.

You can say that from your high horse, but imagine the life that 13 year old kid has had up til this point. My guess is it has been pretty awful. Of course I feel tremendous sympathy for the family of the young woman who was murdered, but I also feel sympathy for a 13 year old who we can probably safely assume, came from a violent and unsafe environment.

WOW. Just wow.

So, if a 13 year old is stressed out and had a bad childhood, you have sympathy for him when he MURDERS an innocent girl?

People all over the world grow up in some pretty terrible circumstances, and yet, they do not murder.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just say the fact that they arrested a CHILD for doing this just makes everything all the more tragic. Obviously I know a 13 year-old can be hardened and vicious, but to be brought up to believe that robbing and then striking out with a knife when it doesn’t go according to plan is even an option is horrific to me. Think of the 13 year olds you know, in your children’s schools. What would they have to go through to become that person? And to be the girl who was stabbed...ack it’s just so upsetting all around.

Before I get flamed I am not excusing the actions of the attacker. It’s just sad that a child was even in a situation that desperate in the first place.

I agree with you. It is a tragedy on both sides. We might both get flamed for this. But for a 13 year old to rob and stab someone means that that child was failed along the line.

Both sides, huh? You’re an imbecile.

You can say that from your high horse, but imagine the life that 13 year old kid has had up til this point. My guess is it has been pretty awful. Of course I feel tremendous sympathy for the family of the young woman who was murdered, but I also feel sympathy for a 13 year old who we can probably safely assume, came from a violent and unsafe environment.

WOW. Just wow.

So, if a 13 year old is stressed out and had a bad childhood, you have sympathy for him when he MURDERS an innocent girl?

People all over the world grow up in some pretty terrible circumstances, and yet, they do not murder.

Stressed? Bad childhood? Look, you are right the people grow up in terrible circumstances and do not murder. But, you are underestimating the effects of significant childhood trauma. And that is likely b/c you have not experienced it and/or are privileged enough to not have to see it. But, we are not talking about kids with stress here. And you sound like an idiot, lumping that with childhood trauma.

NP here fwiw.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked at everyone casually saying how known it is to NEVER use stairs that literally abut an Ivy League university in what is supposedly the safest major city in the world?

I’m looking at Google street view, the top of the park stairs are really elegant and inviting. And if it’s truly THAT unsafe why aren’t there full time security and NYPD post there?

It's called being aware of your surroundings in the middle of a city - plus the history with Morningside Park and Columbia goes back decades. It's really not shocking at all unless you've never left suburbia. NYC and Columbia are very safe these days but yeah, most people knew not to go into that park alone.

How would someone from out of state know anything about that?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked at everyone casually saying how known it is to NEVER use stairs that literally abut an Ivy League university in what is supposedly the safest major city in the world?

I’m looking at Google street view, the top of the park stairs are really elegant and inviting. And if it’s truly THAT unsafe why aren’t there full time security and NYPD post there?

It's called being aware of your surroundings in the middle of a city - plus the history with Morningside Park and Columbia goes back decades. It's really not shocking at all unless you've never left suburbia. NYC and Columbia are very safe these days but yeah, most people knew not to go into that park alone.

How would someone from out of state know anything about that?

+1. Especially someone from a safe place (victim was from C’ville, I believe) who the university is feeding misinformation to about safety and concealing waves of violent crime that takes place literally across the street.

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DD is a sophomore at Columbia and has told me that they didn't get any safety information other than "navigate in pairs" at orientation. Apparently, giving the specifics on area safety is left up to the RAs. Then it's not the university saying "x area is bad" but another student "sharing their experiences."

Her freshmen RA is the one who had a floor meeting and told them the places to avoid. DD said her RA told them to treat the area like they were visitors and not get too comfortable. Those who lived in the area found it offensive when students "took over" their spaces and "acted like they belonged" there.

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I'm in my late 30s. I raise children in NYC and work at Columbia. I grew up in another large and significantly less safe city and was robbed in my early 20s.

My second week at work not long ago, I walked through down Morningside Park to Harlem. No one once suggested I avoid it, until yesterday, and all I was struck by that day was its beauty, the steep, man-made stairways descending from the cliff. (The only reason I haven't been back is all those damn stairs, and the description of her going up them after the attack just devastates me.)

As a matter of course, I don't walk through parks in the dark, but this was early dinnertime, prime getting-out-of-work time. It didn't strike me as the craziest thing she could do, just an unbearable tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:looked up the park online. as a tourist, it would not occur to me to avoid it. it looks so pretty.

+1. Very pretty. It's really depressing to read locals know to avoid it FOR DECADES?! This isn't timbuktu, it's across the street from two of the most prestigious colleges in the world.

Come on, don't get hysterical. Yes, crime is disturbing. But it's also very easy to avoid. And no, just because it's a "prestigious university" does not mean its immune from crime. NYC is actually very safe, much safer than it was in the past. This is a horrible tragedy, but NYC is not a war zone.

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